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Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Meow Meow Meow posted:

I found that build up on the edges/drips and bubbles were the cause of it being a bit too thick. Try thinning 10, 20 or 30% (try different ratios and see what you like) with mineral spirits and brush on using a bristle brush, if it's thinned enough it will self level and the bubbles should come out on their own.

This, also dont skimp on the brush quality, use Purdy or equivalent. I've also found that high humidity retards drying, obviously. I generally try to time the finish application for evening, when you can lock it up for the night. I forget where I learned that from.

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King Hotpants
Apr 11, 2005

Clint.
Fucking.
Eastwood.

Mr. Mambold posted:

This, also dont skimp on the brush quality, use Purdy or equivalent. I've also found that high humidity retards drying, obviously. I generally try to time the finish application for evening, when you can lock it up for the night. I forget where I learned that from.

I'm in Las Vegas. Parts of the finish are usually tack-dry by the time I'm applying the last area of that coat.

Thanks for the tips. I did pick up a Purdy bristle brush this morning, actually. I'll try the brush and some mineral spirits and see how that goes.

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.
I'm building a set of corn hole boards. In the process of making radius cuts on the legs I discovered that I'm really bad with a jigsaw. I was planning on using a jigsaw to cut the the hole in the boards but based on the results of my cutting it seems like a supremely bad idea. Unfortunately a 6" dia hole saw costs like 40$. I'd rather not spend that on a blade I'm probably not going to use very often, if at all. Any suggestions on either how to improve my jigsaw technique or other tricks on cutting a perfect circle in 1/2" plywood would be appreciated.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Do you have a router? If so, slap together a circle jig, that's how I did it for mine and it worked great, pretty much constant cornholing out here now.

Otherwise, if you really can't follow your cornhole's rim but are dead set on using a jigsaw anyhow, make your cut 1/4-1/2" on the inside of the circle and worry it away with a rasp. It'll take a lot of elbow grease but should allow you the control you want, just widen that cornhole out nice and slow, don't rush it.

Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Sep 3, 2015

mds2
Apr 8, 2004


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You can make a circle jig for a jig saw just like a router. It's pretty simple, just google "jig saw circle jig". All you really need is 1 scrap piece of wood.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Also be sure the blade you're using is the right size for the diameter of circle you're cutting.

vulturesrow
Sep 25, 2011

Always gotta pay it forward.

Bad Munki posted:

Also be sure the blade you're using is the right size for the diameter of circle you're cutting.

This was something I meant to ask as well. I'm assuming I want a high TPI blade but what width am I looking at for a 3" radius?

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

King Hotpants posted:

I'm in Las Vegas. Parts of the finish are usually tack-dry by the time I'm applying the last area of that coat.


I had similar problems when I did our large dining table and learned to do it *really* quickly in order to keep everything flowing. I think I got it down to under 30 seconds at the end. It was my first woodworking project and I did not know about thinning at that point.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

King Hotpants posted:

I loving hate polyurethane.

I'm in the middle of sealing up some walnut tabletops for our living room. I used BLO first, let that set up for a while, and then started in with oil-based satin poly. I really need these to come out smooth and perfect because we are going to see them every day.

I can't seem to avoid bubbles and dust and drips/pooling at the edges. I'm using a small (4") foam roller to apply the stuff. I've tried wiping it on before and it felt like I didn't actually get any finish to stay on the wood, which is why I tried the roller. Previously I also used one of those stupid disposable foam brushes. Will I get better results out of an actual bristle brush?

I think I also hate finishing in general, but that's more a product of my situation than the process itself. My garage is so small that I basically can't do anything else while I'm finishing a piece or it'll end up completely covered in dust. If I had a separate area where I could apply finish and let pieces dry, I'm sure i wouldn't hate it quite as much.

This is why I'm going for wipe-on finishes, requies more coats, but dries faster so dust and drip and pooling aren't issues.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Seems there's a meltdown at Sawmill Creek. Apparently you can't say "You suck :p" anymore when someone makes a gloat thread posting about getting a tool for real cheap. Stirred up a lot of trouble and accusations about over moderation etc and caused several members including Phil Thien to leave the forums.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

His Divine Shadow posted:

Seems there's a meltdown at Sawmill Creek. Apparently you can't say "You suck :p" anymore when someone makes a gloat thread posting about getting a tool for real cheap. Stirred up a lot of trouble and accusations about over moderation etc and caused several members including Phil Thien to leave the forums.

I blame it on too much free time to worry about minutiae and the general escalation that happens on internet forums and real life. If 87 octane is good, 94 octane must be better. If a little bit of politeness is good, a whole lot of politeness must be better. If one example is good, three examples must be better.

Pastry Mistakes
Apr 6, 2009

I know it's a joke that there really needs to be a thread on tables/bookshelves, but that's what I need help with.

To preface, I'm a total novice.
I have a bad history with bookcases. Every single one of them I've ever owned has been a wobbly p.o.s. and I'm a bit tired of it - I ripped apart my last cheap bookcase (a 72" Ikea one) because it refused to actually stand straight even after I bolted it to the wall. Even now my books are just sitting in this sad pile over where bookcase used to be, and it's at the pont where this is unacceptable. I decided I want to build a bookcase that fits my needs and since I have a lot of books I figured I could nip the possible wobbly bookcase syndrome I seem to be plagued with in the bud if I make the bookcase a bit triangluar in nature.

The measurements I want to use are as follows: 35" at the base, 31" at the top, sides are 70", depth of the case will be 12". Becasue there are no 45 degree angles, I'm actually not sure how I will attach the side walls to the top and the bottom of the bookcase. So my questions are as follows:
  • I believe I'll have to do a miter cut, but how on earth do I figure out the angle I need to cut at?
  • After the miter cut would I be able to attach the top/bottom/sides to each other with pocket screws? Or is that a bad idea?
  • I've read that 3/4th inch thick wood is the bare minimum I need for something this size, but what are your opinions? Should I go thicker?

Magnus Praeda
Jul 18, 2003
The largess in the land.

Apeshit Sixfingers posted:

I know it's a joke that there really needs to be a thread on tables/bookshelves, but that's what I need help with.

To preface, I'm a total novice.
I have a bad history with bookcases. Every single one of them I've ever owned has been a wobbly p.o.s. and I'm a bit tired of it - I ripped apart my last cheap bookcase (a 72" Ikea one) because it refused to actually stand straight even after I bolted it to the wall. Even now my books are just sitting in this sad pile over where bookcase used to be, and it's at the pont where this is unacceptable. I decided I want to build a bookcase that fits my needs and since I have a lot of books I figured I could nip the possible wobbly bookcase syndrome I seem to be plagued with in the bud if I make the bookcase a bit triangluar in nature.

The measurements I want to use are as follows: 35" at the base, 31" at the top, sides are 70", depth of the case will be 12". Becasue there are no 45 degree angles, I'm actually not sure how I will attach the side walls to the top and the bottom of the bookcase. So my questions are as follows:
  • I believe I'll have to do a miter cut, but how on earth do I figure out the angle I need to cut at?
  • After the miter cut would I be able to attach the top/bottom/sides to each other with pocket screws? Or is that a bad idea?
  • I've read that 3/4th inch thick wood is the bare minimum I need for something this size, but what are your opinions? Should I go thicker?

1) Lay it out in pencil on a sheet of plywood (or your garage floor if you're cheap like me) then use a bevel gauge to figure out your angles from that. Chances are it won't be an integer (or even half an integer). Then use that to lay out your miters on the top/bottom.
2) Sure. Or run a rebate at the appropriate angle in the sides (you'll need to cut your top/bottom longer to account for the rebate) and just glue away. At 70", I'd also suggest sticking a fixed shelf in the middle to keep it from bowing. Again, use your layout to figure out the length and cut a dado where you want it. I guess you'll probably need all your shelves to be fixed, though, since they can't be adjustable in a trapezoid...so dado all your shelves, I guess. (I'm not a huge fan of pocket screws. I don't trust them to be strong enough to support weight on their own, especially not in shear.)
3) 3/4" should be fine. I've got three 4'-long bookcases I built out of cheap 1x8 pine and they haven't sagged more than 1/4" in the middle. At less than 35", your shelves shouldn't sag even that much.

Edit: is this going to have a back or is it open? If it's got a back, you can screw through the back and the shelves won't sag at all.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
If you're going to design something yourself, I strongly recommend modeling it in a 3D modeling program like Blender or SketchUp first. You'll encounter and fix tons of problems with the virtual bookcase, which is of course far superior to encountering them and fixing them when working with the actual wood.

Good luck!

Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

If you're going to design something yourself, I strongly recommend modeling it in a 3D modeling program like Blender or SketchUp first. You'll encounter and fix tons of problems with the virtual bookcase, which is of course far superior to encountering them and fixing them when working with the actual wood.

Good luck!

Having just designed a bench for my miter saw in SketchUp I strongly second this advice. The learning curve is a bit "wtf" at first but there are some good video tutorials (like 10-20 minutes at most to get you going) and once you learn the basic workflow it's pretty straightforward.

I went from Zero to this in like 2 days of playing around in my spare time (and made some major design changes in the process that would have been a pain on paper):



(although I have no idea why it exported in that weird wide-format)

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Apeshit Sixfingers posted:

I know it's a joke that there really needs to be a thread on tables/bookshelves, but that's what I need help with.

To preface, I'm a total novice.
I have a bad history with bookcases. Every single one of them I've ever owned has been a wobbly p.o.s. and I'm a bit tired of it - I ripped apart my last cheap bookcase (a 72" Ikea one) because it refused to actually stand straight even after I bolted it to the wall. Even now my books are just sitting in this sad pile over where bookcase used to be, and it's at the pont where this is unacceptable. I decided I want to build a bookcase that fits my needs and since I have a lot of books I figured I could nip the possible wobbly bookcase syndrome I seem to be plagued with in the bud if I make the bookcase a bit triangluar in nature.

The measurements I want to use are as follows: 35" at the base, 31" at the top, sides are 70", depth of the case will be 12". Becasue there are no 45 degree angles, I'm actually not sure how I will attach the side walls to the top and the bottom of the bookcase. So my questions are as follows:
  • I believe I'll have to do a miter cut, but how on earth do I figure out the angle I need to cut at?
  • After the miter cut would I be able to attach the top/bottom/sides to each other with pocket screws? Or is that a bad idea?
  • I've read that 3/4th inch thick wood is the bare minimum I need for something this size, but what are your opinions? Should I go thicker?

This sounds like a nightmare, but hell, you may be a xylo-savant waiting to happen. I can't feature what exactly was your problem with previous rectangular book-cases if they're bolted to the wall studs. 3/4" material is fine, plywood or natural. In my experience, book cases need backing to stiffen up the structure, but no more than 1/4" plywood is required.
Also, if you dado the top and bottom into the sides, that will provide some forgiveness for the angle cut not being perfect.
Screws would require some sort of countersink and button fillers, pocket is not necessary.

edit: the dado and 3/4 material all imply using a face-frame, which was how most of the book-cases I built in the past were- for residential installation. You may not be thinking in that direction...

Mr. Mambold fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Sep 3, 2015

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

As someone who is more starved for clamps than most, I'm thinking of jumping on this :staredog: What do the more experienced folks think? Not sure what the smaller blue things are on the lower part of the second pic, on the right.

(swapping out an image. He said he's pulling the listing, since I'm up for buying it)

Geop fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Sep 3, 2015

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Geop posted:

As someone who is more starved for clamps than most, I'm thinking of jumping on this :staredog: What do the more experienced folks think? I think I see some longer clamps on here that look to be ~$100+ by themselves; not sure what the smaller blue things are on the lower part of the second pic, on the right.
I mean, it's a start at least.

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Geop posted:

As someone who is more starved for clamps than most, I'm thinking of jumping on this :staredog: What do the more experienced folks think? I think I see some longer clamps on here that look to be ~$100+ by themselves.

loving hell :thumbsup:

e.

Slugworth posted:

I mean, it's a start at least.

lol

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Slugworth posted:

I mean, it's a start at least.
Boy howdy is it ever. I'm running a very tight ship on clamps as-is (even discounting the adage of "never having enough clamps"); having some more available would be wonderful!

mds2
Apr 8, 2004


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Geop posted:

As someone who is more starved for clamps than most, I'm thinking of jumping on this :staredog: What do the more experienced folks think? Not sure what the smaller blue things are on the lower part of the second pic, on the right.

That is a good deal. Those small blue things are corner clamps for making cabinets.


http://www.amazon.com/IRWIN-Tools-QUICK-GRIP-90-Degree-226410/dp/B0001LQY6M/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1441305500&sr=8-12&keywords=corner+clamp

MickRaider
Aug 27, 2004

Now I smell like lemonade!

Geop posted:

As someone who is more starved for clamps than most, I'm thinking of jumping on this :staredog: What do the more experienced folks think? Not sure what the smaller blue things are on the lower part of the second pic, on the right.

(swapping out an image. He said he's pulling the listing, since I'm up for buying it)

You can never have too many clamps.... wait.. that's too many clamps

Hypnolobster
Apr 12, 2007

What this sausage party needs is a big dollop of ketchup! Too bad I didn't make any. :(

Jesus, the parallel clamps are worth more than that alone.

Deedle
Oct 17, 2011
before you ask, yes I did inform the DMV of my condition and medication, and I passed the medical and psychological evaluation when I got my license. I've passed them every time I have gone to renew my license.

MickRaider posted:

You can never have too many clamps.... wait.. that's too many clamps
By the looks of it he'll probably be 2 clamps short on his next project.

King Hotpants
Apr 11, 2005

Clint.
Fucking.
Eastwood.

Geop posted:

As someone who is more starved for clamps than most, I'm thinking of jumping on this :staredog: What do the more experienced folks think? Not sure what the smaller blue things are on the lower part of the second pic, on the right.

(swapping out an image. He said he's pulling the listing, since I'm up for buying it)

I was going to make a joke here about "thinking? about clamps? what's your problem!" but you're already buying it so never mind I guess.

MickRaider
Aug 27, 2004

Now I smell like lemonade!
This made me check craigslist and a guy about an hour north of me is having a moving garage sale.

Those clamps are mighty tempting... Shame I'm not supposed to be spending money...

Also a planar would be awfully nice....

crap, I don't even have room for the tools I own.

Pastry Mistakes
Apr 6, 2009

Magnus Praeda posted:

Edit: is this going to have a back or is it open? If it's got a back, you can screw through the back and the shelves won't sag at all.

It will have an open back (I just prefer the look)

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

If you're going to design something yourself, I strongly recommend modeling it in a 3D modeling program like Blender or SketchUp first. You'll encounter and fix tons of problems with the virtual bookcase, which is of course far superior to encountering them and fixing them when working with the actual wood.

Good luck!

I didn't even know these existed, so thank you!

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Apeshit Sixfingers posted:

It will have an open back (I just prefer the look)

You could try putting a French cleat on the wall to support the shelves. It'd take some careful positioning to get the height right, though.

MrPete
May 17, 2007
If you're dipping your toe into Sketchup, I found this guys videos really useful in learning the woodworking side of things.

http://jayscustomcreations.com/category/sketchup/sketchup-instruction/

Suicide Watch
Sep 8, 2009
Has anyone here ever built a wooden skin-on-frame kayak? I'm thinking of building one from Tom Yost's plans and it'd be nice to know if anyone here has gone through that process before.

King Hotpants
Apr 11, 2005

Clint.
Fucking.
Eastwood.

Apeshit Sixfingers posted:

I know it's a joke that there really needs to be a thread on tables/bookshelves, but that's what I need help with.

To preface, I'm a total novice.
I have a bad history with bookcases. Every single one of them I've ever owned has been a wobbly p.o.s. and I'm a bit tired of it - I ripped apart my last cheap bookcase (a 72" Ikea one) because it refused to actually stand straight even after I bolted it to the wall. Even now my books are just sitting in this sad pile over where bookcase used to be, and it's at the pont where this is unacceptable. I decided I want to build a bookcase that fits my needs and since I have a lot of books I figured I could nip the possible wobbly bookcase syndrome I seem to be plagued with in the bud if I make the bookcase a bit triangluar in nature.

MrPete posted:

If you're dipping your toe into Sketchup, I found this guys videos really useful in learning the woodworking side of things.

http://jayscustomcreations.com/category/sketchup/sketchup-instruction/

Jay Bates (sketchup guy referenced by MrPete) did a really simple bookcase that I think you might want to look at, Apeshit. I have a feeling that your saggy bookcase blues are more because you've had lovely bookcases and less because a rectangular bookcase will always sag no matter what.

http://jayscustomcreations.com/2015/07/easy-huge-2x10-stopped-dado-bookcases/

Magnus Praeda
Jul 18, 2003
The largess in the land.

King Hotpants posted:

Jay Bates (sketchup guy referenced by MrPete) did a really simple bookcase that I think you might want to look at, Apeshit. I have a feeling that your saggy bookcase blues are more because you've had lovely bookcases and less because a rectangular bookcase will always sag no matter what.

http://jayscustomcreations.com/2015/07/easy-huge-2x10-stopped-dado-bookcases/

I built something almost identical to that to fit as a built-in in my parents' entryway. It was heavy as poo poo, but it'll never sag.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

Apeshit Sixfingers posted:

I figured I could nip the possible wobbly bookcase syndrome I seem to be plagued with in the bud if I make the bookcase a bit triangluar in nature.

Just give up on this idea. Google "how to build a bookcase" and you will get stuff from popular mechanics, this old house, youtube, family handyman,instructables; not to mention every woodworking magazine has a bookcase issue every year and it's about that time for them to come out. Build a bookcase with rabbets and dadoes and you'll be good to go.

Sylink
Apr 17, 2004

Really the only thing to consider in a bookcase is the shelf width vs thickness/material strength.

So just dont make the shelves 1/2" thick and 4 feet wide unsupported.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I love that bookcase by Jay Bates but I can't help but wonder when it will crack open at every edge since he left the pith in.

MrPete
May 17, 2007
I have thought about making something similar out of LVL but not sure the look would be any good, need to find a sucker who will pay me to experiment

Pastry Mistakes
Apr 6, 2009

wormil posted:

Just give up on this idea. Google "how to build a bookcase" and you will get stuff from popular mechanics, this old house, youtube, family handyman,instructables; not to mention every woodworking magazine has a bookcase issue every year and it's about that time for them to come out. Build a bookcase with rabbets and dadoes and you'll be good to go.

I did all of the math to make it work, but dammit I don't want to spend the time cutting each shelf to fit after mitering them. So ultimately I'm going to build a variation of the one in the video that was posted.

I do have one additional question though that I can't seem to find an answer to: Do I have to put legs on the bookshelf? Can the bottom just be flat?

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

Apeshit Sixfingers posted:

Can the bottom just be flat?

I wouldn't recommend it. The bookcase should rest on the sides, on a separate base, or on legs. Jay's bookcase is crazy overbuilt, just follow the plan and you can probably store bricks on it.

Ambrose Burnside
Aug 30, 2007

pensive
What's a reasonably-accessible n affordable hardwood that prioritizes maximum springiness over strength?
I'm interested in making myself some hammer handles down the road, but for chasing hammers- these weird things:


And they have some unique requirements that other hammers don't. The big, bulbous handle, light head and very thin neck are all designed to allow for very fast and controllable hammering in a kind of "jackhammer" motion that relies mostly on handle flex to work properly. Manufacturers of hammers are very rarely sensitive to this, and tend to make chasing hammer handles out of hickory or padauk, woods that are good for the strength-n-shock-resistance needs of big hammer handles, but pretty poor for the flex that a chasing hammer should have. IIRC the traditional solutions are some of the weirder fruitwoods and even oddballs like willow, but I'm going off old memories here.

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thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
I was going to suggest willow, which is used for cricket bats for precisely those reasons. You might also do well to look at woods which are traditionally used for bow-making such as yew.

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