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Yolomancer posted:I can't imagine playing EU4 with the console. Half the enjoyment of the game for me is not knowing what will happen and having to react accordingly, eg. whether or not I can really take this fight against France and her allies. Even playing in non-Ironman mode feels dirty to me. This.
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Those folks never have anything interesting to say about the game either because all their stories begin with "I consoled my self every possible advantage then this awesome thing happened"
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I tried a new game as Milan and now have a 6/6/6 dictator locked in. I may have expanded too fast though: I'm allied with France, Austria, Castile and Hungary so I'm not too worried, but I guess I have to cool my jets for a while.
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Sep 1, 2015 16:10
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Vassalizing Switzerland and allying France are win opening moves for Milan.
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Sep 1, 2015 16:44
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Average Bear posted:Vassalizing Switzerland and allying France are win opening moves for Milan. I know that vassal feeding is widely considered to be the most 'optimal' approach, but I have some misgivings about it in that the more you feed a vassal, the longer it takes to integrate it, and while that's going on, you're not getting a direct benefit from the land (besides the vassal income and their armies helping you in war). With a nation like Milan where you have an excess of monarch points to spend on development, as well as an excess of gold to spend on buildings, taking and coring the land myself gives me a bit of a head start, the way I see it. I took Admin as my first idea group and rushed the reduced coring cost, which has helped a lot. I am planning to vassalise Savoy shortly (after clearing out Florence, which I just did and the rest of Venice and Papal States) so I can hold off sharing a border with France for as long as possible, so they can be my Switzerland in this situation. I really would like to see an intelligent cost benefit comparison of say, coring versus vassal feeding, or a mix of the two, for different nations. I can see situations where vassal feeding would be better, say when you're trying to take North Africa as Castile, (due to the Berber traditions) or when admin points are at a premium, but right now it seems like I have enough admin points to fill out the Admin group, core everything I take in war, and even have some left over for raising stability when I revert back to a monarchy. However it's possible this is a situation unique to Milan. I'm happy to be told I'm wrong if somebody knows better, though.
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Also, something else to consider is that all provinces will have 75% autonomy when you diplo-annex. Coring them yourself puts the provinces at 50% I believe, with the ability to immediately reduce it to 25% if you can handle the rebels. Another factor would be, in this game, coring rather than vassal feeding let me go from Duchy to Kingdom sooner than I would have, with all the bonuses that brings, most notably the monthly autonomy change.
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Sep 1, 2015 17:02
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Yolomancer posted:I know that vassal feeding is widely considered to be the most 'optimal' approach, but...
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My 4-province Nevers vassal took 600 dip to integrate as burgundy. Would have been only slightly less to core it
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Sep 1, 2015 20:59
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Oh baby. Please let me win this war. (Austria isn't the Emperor.)
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Sep 2, 2015 03:51
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We should be okay:
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Sep 2, 2015 03:52
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htanks for the LP byob guy (NOT!)
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Sep 2, 2015 04:19
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You tried to drop a Borat ref, but you come across more as a Bruno.
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Sep 2, 2015 04:38
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When I vassalize Switzerland its to make them a march for the rest of the game. They make a really good one since they're mostly mountains. Another good one is Tyrol or styria. But I play my Italy games kinda tall since it's easy to get carried away once you get all of Italy. You can surround yourself almost completely with mountain marches, even in the Balkans if you care to expand there.
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Sep 2, 2015 05:22
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Also prepare your border with forts when you take savoy. France will eventually turn on you due to a mission to take Milan (does anyone know if this has a historical basis)
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Sep 2, 2015 05:23
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Average Bear posted:Also prepare your border with forts when you take savoy. France will eventually turn on you due to a mission to take Milan (does anyone know if this has a historical basis) Yeah.
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Sep 2, 2015 06:07
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Average Bear posted:Also prepare your border with forts when you take savoy. France will eventually turn on you due to a mission to take Milan (does anyone know if this has a historical basis) France got most of Savoy before I could, I only got the scraps. Damnit. Here's the situation at present:  I'm running out of places I can safely expand. Naples is in a PU under my ally Castile, what remains of Switzerland is protected by the Emperor, I can eat the rest of Venice but they're allied with Poland/Lithuania and the rest is of course HRE. Something's gotta give, maybe I'll turn on Austria and try to link up my Italian possessions with Hungary, my lesser partner.
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Sep 2, 2015 06:20
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Average Bear posted:Also prepare your border with forts when you take savoy. France will eventually turn on you due to a mission to take Milan (does anyone know if this has a historical basis) They were basically the Italian Hundred Years War. Good luck!
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Sep 2, 2015 06:22
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Yolomancer posted:I know that vassal feeding is widely considered to be the most 'optimal' approach, but I have some misgivings about it in that the more you feed a vassal, the longer it takes to integrate it, and while that's going on, you're not getting a direct benefit from the land (besides the vassal income and their armies helping you in war). With a nation like Milan where you have an excess of monarch points to spend on development, as well as an excess of gold to spend on buildings, taking and coring the land myself gives me a bit of a head start, the way I see it. I took Admin as my first idea group and rushed the reduced coring cost, which has helped a lot. I am planning to vassalise Savoy shortly (after clearing out Florence, which I just did and the rest of Venice and Papal States) so I can hold off sharing a border with France for as long as possible, so they can be my Switzerland in this situation. like frankenfreak said, vassal feeding hasn't been 'optimal' for the last few patches. they got nerfed repeatedly (diplo cost for integrating, 75% autonomy on integration, liberty desire) and are honestly pretty marginal now. it's kinda nice to trade diplo for admin, since the latter's generally significantly more valuable than the former, and avoiding nationalism is a plus, but usually these days it's simpler and better to take territory directly. note that increased coring costs (e.g. berber traditions) *also* apply to the cost to diplomatically integrate a vassal - you can't dodge them that way. that being said, I've found some of the best situations for vassalizing are areas you're planning to expand into much later, if ever - +coring cost areas frequently being in that category.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:htanks for the LP byob guy (NOT!) That's the loving Yolomacer you retarded Brazilian turd.
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Sep 2, 2015 11:58
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This is cool thanks
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Sep 2, 2015 13:39
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Yolomancer, when the Iberian wedding fires, use Castile against France for those savoy provinces. They should get their rear end beat enough to lose Naples as a PU.
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Average Bear posted:Yolomancer, when the Iberian wedding fires, use Castile against France for those savoy provinces. They should get their rear end beat enough to lose Naples as a PU. Don't forget them losing Aragon, which hardly affects Castile at all as an ally usually. Stealing all of the Med islands from Aragon is a pro strat as Italy.
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Sep 2, 2015 17:42
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Knuc U Kinte posted:That's the loving Yolomacer you retarded Brazilian turd. I thought that was Yobgoblin
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Average Bear posted:Yolomancer, when the Iberian wedding fires, use Castile against France for those savoy provinces. They should get their rear end beat enough to lose Naples as a PU. I formed Italy around 1520 or so and then immediately declared war on Naples (who was in a PU with my ally, Castile) and despite them being allied with England, managed to beat them up enough to take around five provinces from Naples. However my enthusiasm for this particular game has faded now that I got the 'chieve for forming Italy and the fact I did a recent Papal States game. I think I'm going to start a new game as Bohemia and try to become Emperor then core Dublin for those two 'chieves. Thanks for the advice.
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Sep 3, 2015 03:03
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Italy games have an excellent early game and bland mid/late game.
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does anyone have a good late game
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Stairmaster posted:does anyone have a good late game Hey, late game's a blast in MP! Its loving boring as poo poo in SP though
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Sep 4, 2015 01:14
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Never actually tried EU4 mp. I tried it in eu3 and well it was impossible to play for more than a few years.
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Average Bear posted:Never actually tried EU4 mp. I tried it in eu3 and well it was impossible to play for more than a few years. Sometimes it gets that bad with patches that cause desync issues but for the most part it works great. The Games forum game that people play has like 30 people in it with almost no desync now that the desync bug in the 1.13 beta got fixed.
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Stairmaster posted:does anyone have a good late game we need a dlc for post-1600 so bad.
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Sep 4, 2015 01:25
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I think more DHE would help. Past the league wars, there's not much else to look forward to. A forced revolutionary country would be awesome. Vic II had WWI as its endgame.
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playing eu4 mp taught me that I'm insanely bad at diplomacy and telling who's going to backstab me vs who'd be a useful ally. good to know but too slow + emotionally exhausting for me to want to play very often. also afaik the games forum gang never played to late-game, they always got bored & restarted by maybe the 1600s; did that change?
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Average Bear posted:I think more DHE would help. Past the league wars, there's not much else to look forward to. A forced revolutionary country would be awesome. Vic II had WWI as its endgame. the first great war, 1891. the second great war, 1897. the third great war, 1906... late game vicky 2 was very silly.
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I hope in 2020 you can take a CKII file into EU4, into Vic 3, into their unannounced modern era map game, into their sci fi game
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In Training posted:I hope in 2020 you can take a CKII file into EU4, into Vic 3, into their unannounced modern era map game, into their sci fi game research time travel in the sci fi game and import into ck2
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Sep 4, 2015 02:59
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elf help book posted:research time travel in the sci fi game and import into ck2 Jim Ross voice: Oh mah God!!
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New game as Bohemia, going for Emperor and Dublin achievements. I got Emperor pretty quickly through Diplomatic ideas + not expanding, but buff Austria is scaring the poo poo out of me. They inherited all of Burgundy when the king died and are now slowly but surely eating HRE OPMs. I can't seem to find a window where my allies (four electors + France + Muscovy) will be winning to join me in a war against them to cut them down to size. In the meantime I've been munching on Hungary to buff up, with the intention of eventually going after Venice, then Poland. Still, Austria is one scary motherfucker right now.
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Sep 4, 2015 08:17
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Lmao. Why does this keep happening. This changes everything: 
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In Training posted:I hope in 2020 you can take a CKII file into EU4, into Vic 3, into their unannounced modern era map game, into their sci fi game I hope I can have sex one day.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:I hope I can have sex one day. Same here, knuc.
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