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emanresu tnuocca posted:And the genre, and the time travel, and the whole assassin from the future sent to murder a child who'd grow up to be a meaningful persona in the future, and predestination themes, etc, etc. I could just as easily say Chappie is Number 5 from Short Circuit, and at least there would be actual parallels to be drawn past "hey they both have robots!"
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But there are a lot of really obvious parallels between Looper and The Terminator besides just "time travel". Some posters have even listed them on this very page. I personally don't think it's the strongest connection, but it's still a pretty intuitive connection to make.
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Aug 25, 2015 11:05
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My memory of Looper isn't that great, but the scene where he drives into a neighborhood and kills some kid reminded me of Arnold killing the first Sarah Connor in T1, with the massive difference that Bruce Willis is temporarily demoralized when reality doesn't change in response.
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Immortan posted:Terminator Genisys makes $27M + in China on just a Friday, fourth largest ever in that country. Projected for around a 75M weekend. http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2015/08/23/box-office-terminator-genisys-opens-with-massive-26-6m-in-china/ Well I hope whoever made Genisys will hopefully take the critical drubbing they got on board and try and make the sequels (that let's be honest were probably coming anyway before the rights reverted) actaully semi-decent movies. Oh well, at least I'll still have my Sarah Connor Chronicles DVDs either way. Actually I heard they're planning another TV series, anyone know what the deal is there?
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Aug 26, 2015 00:33
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Motto posted:My memory of Looper isn't that great, but the scene where he drives into a neighborhood and kills some kid reminded me of Arnold killing the first Sarah Connor in T1, with the massive difference that Bruce Willis is temporarily demoralized when reality doesn't change in response. Don't forget the scene where he single-handedly murders almost all of the gang in the club, because that's some Terminator poo poo right there.
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I'm watching the Sarah Connor Chronicles for the first time. Terminator Genysis seems like a cliff notes movie version of the show's ideas.
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WarLocke posted:Genesis seems to indicate that there's only the one timeline, since Kyle gets sent back to '84 but everything is changed because there's already terminators and poo poo around years before that. I know this post is a bit old, but I just wanted to respond that it's how I've always imagined time travel to work. Travel back in time and you are climbing down the branches. Travel forward again and you move up through the branches. Means that even if you don't change a single thing you might end up in a wildly different future.
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Senor Tron posted:I know this post is a bit old, but I just wanted to respond that it's how I've always imagined time travel to work. Travel back in time and you are climbing down the branches. Travel forward again and you move up through the branches. Means that even if you don't change a single thing you might end up in a wildly different future. I think it's impossible not to change anything if you go back/down because the past will already be altered by you being there.
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The two timelines (future and past) co-existing and moving at the same rate makes the most sense to me. If the future was constantly changing and updating, there'd be a million Terminators coming back to the same point in time. Bill Paxton would be crushed beneath the weight of nude Arnolds fighting over his pants. ...now I want to see that movie. James Cameron's Terminators.
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ghostwritingduck posted:I'm watching the Sarah Connor Chronicles for the first time. Terminator Genysis seems like a cliff notes movie version of the show's ideas. Considering that Josh Friedman is currently working with James Cameron on Avatar 2, my wish is that when Cameron gets the rights back he'll let Friedman make a TV movie to wrap up the series. Or they'll team up on a new film. It'll never happen, but a man can dream.
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Sep 4, 2015 13:22
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Cameron is getting the Terminator rights back in 2019 by default.
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I don't really have any strong feelings about Looper one way the other but the amount of smug condescension reeking of this paragraph is incredible.
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Honestly my favorite part of Clarke in this was when he was slouching in a sweater over a button down at the CyberDyne offices making chill dad jokes with his pals. If you want to cast someone who's a bit of a doof but has a lot of menace just underneath that, Clarke is one of your best options right now.
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Xenomrph posted:Cameron is getting the Terminator rights back in 2019 by default. I know that bit, hence why I kind of hope he and Friedman join forces to making  Terminator films. But I can't see them launching a revitalization of TSCC over 10 years after it ended (has it really been that long?), plus whatever further damage is done to the franchise by the rushed-out sequels to Genesys. Still it seems like most of the cast got along and enjoyed the show, them all coming back after so long seems a tall order.I kind of want to see a Model 101 fighting with/alongside Cameron, dammit. The technology will have caught up for Arnie (look at Micheal Douglas in Ant-Man for an example of how far things have come on that front), and Summer Glau apparently doesn't age anyway.
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coyo7e posted:So I'm curious, was the ending of Salvation really forced to be re-written just so Christian Bale can be Jesus, or did I misread that cyborg terminator marcus was supposed to be the protagonist until they got A Big Name into thing? Because holy poo poo that's the hugest slap in the face I could think of, "yeah, well, you'll mostly protect me and feed me info except for a fight scene where you save me, and then you just give me your life to save me, and everybody's stoked because CHRISTIAN BALE!!!" IIRC Salvation went through two major re-writes. One when Christian Bale was cast to give John a larger part, which was before anything was filmed and then another during filming when the script got leaked and they got a ton of backlash over the ending.
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Jenny Angel posted:Honestly my favorite part of Clarke in this was when he was slouching in a sweater over a button down at the CyberDyne offices making chill dad jokes with his pals. If you want to cast someone who's a bit of a doof but has a lot of menace just underneath that, Clarke is one of your best options right now. I ain't think much of him in Dawn of The Planet of the Apes but I wish he'd come back.
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So, Forbes (well, one of its contributors) has put out an interesting analysis. Basically he's arguing that while China saved this film from being a flop, it's disliked enough that attempting to follow up may just result in a bigger disaster, especially since it's plunging in China just like it did everywhere else (in particular, despite its strong opening it won't pull in nearly as much from China as several other films that had similar opening successes).
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Yvonmukluk posted:So, Forbes (well, one of its contributors)  on principle.
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Without spoilers, how disappointed am I going to be when I reach the end of season 2 of Sarah Connor Chronicles?
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They did the best they could, not knowing if the series would get a third season. It's "conclusive" enough that it works as a series finale, but has enough implied plot hooks that they could have kept the series going had a third season gotten a green light.
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Xenomrph posted:They did the best they could, not knowing if the series would get a third season. It's "conclusive" enough that it works as a series finale, but has enough implied plot hooks that they could have kept the series going had a third season gotten a green light. Thanks. It's been an entertaining watch so far. I think it did a better job expanding Terminator's story than any of the sequels other than 2. I'm surprised Genysis didn't steal the cancer reason for jumping forward in time. It makes sense and T3 set that up as well.
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ghostwritingduck posted:Thanks. It's been an entertaining watch so far. I think it did a better job expanding Terminator's story than any of the sequels other than 2. Well techniclly they did steal the 'jump forward in time to stop Skynet' part of things. Only in TSCC, where they gave themselves 4 year's head start, they jump right into the same year. I'm still mad that Fox shoved it in the death slot and dumped it for Dollhouse, which was pretty much a worse series in every way. Yeah, I said it. If they did like a comic continuation of it (TSSC, that is) like they did Buffy or Firefly, I would be right there. Instead we get Genesys, its sequels and its own crappy spinoff TV series down the line...maybe. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Sep 6, 2015 |
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Yvonmukluk posted:I'm still mad that Fox shoved it in the death slot and dumped it for Dollhouse, which was pretty much a worse series in every way. Yeah, I said it. Then they dumped Dollhouse so that was rubbing salt into the wound along with that godawful TV movie which was the pouring of the acid.
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Actually, now I think about it, why did they immediately plan to jump ahead into the future in Genisys anyway? It's not like there was any particular hurry, considering, you know, TIME MACHINE. I mean, Sarah was going to die of cancer, but considering that would take place AFTER the original destination of 1997, what was the rush? Also, why was Arnold meant to come with them? After all, that was the original plan. So what's stopping them taking a few months for his skin to heal up so he could come with and maybe make additional plans for what they were going to do when they got there? Since again, it's a time machine. Or hell, maybe the plan should have been all along for the T-800 to take the slow path as a means to lay the ground. I mean if things had gone according to plan and they'd gone together, than they wouldn't have the insider knowledge to infiltrate Cyberdyne. I mean, literally all they had to do was change a few lines of dialogue and that plot hole gets closed and the characters look smarter as a result. I mean with Cameron in TSCC, she had to be with them in the vault to activate the vault, not to mention they had no clues as to who made Skynet (and they gave themselves 4 years to figure that out, not to mention had a squad of guys sent back from the future who were meant to be gathering intelligence for them and setting up false identities and stuff as support. So they weren't actually leaping blindly into the future, they already had a plan.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I'm still mad that Fox shoved it in the death slot and dumped it for Dollhouse, which was pretty much a worse series in every way. Yeah, I said it. Whedon promised massive budget cuts which was helped by the fact that they could just have most episodes in an already built set. TSCC couldn't match that.
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muscles like this? posted:Whedon promised massive budget cuts which was helped by the fact that they could just have most episodes in an already built set. TSCC couldn't match that. I know this is just my opinion, but after the reaction that Firefly's early cancellation caused I think Fox was incredibly sensitive about cancelling another Whedon show too early, too. Either from potential audience/industry backlash which could maybe be bad for them or thinking it was absolutely going to be the sort of hit everyone was telling them Firefly was going to be if it'd just stayed on the air a while longer. Yvonmukluk posted:Actually, now I think about it, why did they immediately plan to jump ahead into the future in Genisys anyway? It's not like there was any particular hurry, considering, you know, TIME MACHINE. I mean, Sarah was going to die of cancer, but considering that would take place AFTER the original destination of 1997, what was the rush? Also, why was Arnold meant to come with them? After all, that was the original plan. So what's stopping them taking a few months for his skin to heal up so he could come with and maybe make additional plans for what they were going to do when they got there? Since again, it's a time machine. Or hell, maybe the plan should have been all along for the T-800 to take the slow path as a means to lay the ground. I mean if things had gone according to plan and they'd gone together, than they wouldn't have the insider knowledge to infiltrate Cyberdyne. I mean, literally all they had to do was change a few lines of dialogue and that plot hole gets closed and the characters look smarter as a result. I sort of figured with the Genisys and TSCC thing, it was considered 'safer' in a way to time jump to the future as soon as possible, though. It's not the best logic, but the idea that if you're going to potentially be hunted down by robots from the future between 1984-1997, reduce the window of time you're vulnerable to attack by skipping most of those years. But the notion of just waiting until a few days before the end of the world, regardless, seems really reckless. What if you get a flat tire or the traffic is bad on the day you show up to stop the end of the world? I bet you're wishing you'd gotten there a little earlier. Really, I'm sort of thinking it could have been a more interesting turn if Kyle, Pops and Sarah stayed in 1984 and they had a game plan to destroy Cyberdyne and kill a few engineers, sabotage the company, something in the 1980s to effectively prevent the creation of Skynet that way. Have them succeed and it's a whole new timeline, anyway, so go whole-hog with seeing a sort of take on the Sarah/Kyle relationship if it wasn't born of the events of the original film. If they succeed, you don't get a J-Day or Skynet, but you maybe also don't get a John Connor. It makes his eventual appearance as a living, breathing person in 2017 a shock to Kyle.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I sort of figured with the Genisys and TSCC thing, it was considered 'safer' in a way to time jump to the future as soon as possible, though. It's not the best logic, but the idea that if you're going to potentially be hunted down by robots from the future between 1984-1997, reduce the window of time you're vulnerable to attack by skipping most of those years. Hell, if they'd jumped ahead a year or two in advance of Judgment Day, John would have been around then for them to WTF over and maybe investigate, and he could still push the launch of Genisys early.
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The moviemaking/TV-making reason is it's a lot cheaper/easier to set your story in "the present" than it is to force yourself to make what amounts to a "period piece"
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Yeah, even TSC did that. It's just that their present was 4 years earlier than the Judgement day thing. Plus TSC had a lot more time to burn being a TV series. You know. All that.
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Xenomrph posted:The moviemaking/TV-making reason is it's a lot cheaper/easier to set your story in "the present" than it is to force yourself to make what amounts to a "period piece" Yeah, even modern day sci-fi films like Space Cop aren't set entirely in the future, since it's so much more expensive to create an entire fake future world than it is to have your characters just walk around a normal city.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I know this is just my opinion, but after the reaction that Firefly's early cancellation caused I think Fox was incredibly sensitive about cancelling another Whedon show too early, too. Either from potential audience/industry backlash which could maybe be bad for them or thinking it was absolutely going to be the sort of hit everyone was telling them Firefly was going to be if it'd just stayed on the air a while longer. Fox didn't give a flying fart what the fans thought when they cancelled anything over the last 20 years.
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Rhyno posted:Fox didn't give a flying fart what the fans thought over the last 20 years. I'll be honest The Sarah Connor Chronicles is what got me interested in Terminator - I'd seen Terminator 2 once when I was young on TV, but I didn't really engage with the franchise until I saw the series. So I will probably defend it beyond all reason. I mean, I'll probably not go so far as to say it's better than the first two movies, but I will say it's up there in quality. Anyway, I'm awaiting delivery for the Terminator Vault, and looking into the Terminator Genisys minis game (because from what I've seen it's a good game and easy enough to ignore the 'Genisys' bit). Thanks, Sarah Connor Chronicles!
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Electromax posted:If you have a copy of Terminator 3 with Arnold's commentary, it's worth it bigtime. I was cracking up every time he got going. I will keep saying this until I die, but all of Arnie's commentaries are great, especially Conan and Total Recall. He's drunk as hell and can't remember the movies. If you needed your fill of him doing his ridiculous laugh, that's a good place to go.
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So what I don't get about Looper is that is they know one of their victims is their future self, why don't they just check for themselves and let themselves go? It's not like the future mob can actually know you didn't do it, how does the mob even know they killed anyone?
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Xenomrph posted:Wait, there's a Terminator Genisys minis game? Sure is! Weird that this is the first official ruleset since I think the early 90s. You'd think making minis of the terminator would be a license to print money. I guess it must be a rights thing.
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It's likely a rights thing. The rights to the Terminator franchise are a massive clusterfuck, with different entities owning the rights to individual movies and things like that. It's the reason Arnold was a "T-850" in T3, or the Terminators in The Sarah Connor Chronicles are "T-888s" and their endoskeletons are slightly different from the distinctive T-800 endoskeleton (and why Shirley Manson is a "T-1001").
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I do love me a good copyright clusterfuck. Like when the Justice League cartoon couldn't use the Blue Beetle because some radio station still had the broadcast rights to the character.
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Xenomrph posted:It's likely a rights thing. The rights to the Terminator franchise are a massive clusterfuck, with different entities owning the rights to individual movies and things like that. It's the reason Arnold was a "T-850" in T3, or the Terminators in The Sarah Connor Chronicles are "T-888s" and their endoskeletons are slightly different from the distinctive T-800 endoskeleton (and why Shirley Manson is a "T-1001"). Does anyone know if the rights reverting back to Cameron will clear up this clusterfuck?
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