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They might have worked in the first video, I've seen blow-out fires similar to that. Ammo burns off quickly, but the tank isn't left burning particularly heavily. Crew might still be hosed though if it penetrated into the compartment (and the tank is gonna be mission killed regardless). Compare the first tank (burns quickly) vs the second one and its big black smoke cloud.
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Pimpmust posted:They might have worked in the first video, I've seen blow-out fires similar to that. Ammo burns off quickly, but the tank isn't left burning particularly heavily. Crew might still be hosed though if it penetrated into the compartment (and the tank is gonna be mission killed regardless). Compare the first tank (burns quickly) vs the second one and its big black smoke cloud. Yeah, its argued on alot of spergy "ABRAMS IS poo poo/NO IT ISNT" arguments recently. The fact the burning is over more or less so quickly makes me think it was a successful containment. Either way, it wont be fighting/sitting around anymore.
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Adar posted:The implication is he would never return to face trial (duh) and also that he was actively engaged in treason (duh). Same deal as al-Awlaki; people who are committing treason can become military targets. This isn't controversial anywhere even in Europe, as far as I can tell. The UK doesn't have a death penalty and even then extra judicial killings of your own citizens are pretty controversial. In addition David Cameron lost a commons vote on military action in Syria so the legitimacy of any strike in Syria is very questionable.
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It seems pretty transparently legal to me. It's war, the laws are pretty ok with making bad people die. Shocker, I know, but the UK doesn't require their soldiers to get a jury conviction before pulling the trigger. If there's any controversy over it, it's why the RAF isn't even more involved.
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Kaal posted:It seems pretty transparently legal to me. It's war, the laws are pretty ok with making bad people die. Shocker, I know, but the UK doesn't require their soldiers to get a jury conviction before pulling the trigger. If there's any controversy over it, it's why the RAF isn't even more involved. I don't disagree that he deserved to die but the UK isn't currently conducting air strikes in Syria and the PM lost a vote in parliament when he asked to do exactly that.
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:I don't disagree that he deserved to die but the UK isn't currently conducting air strikes in Syria and the PM lost a vote in parliament when he asked to do exactly that. Are you referring to the 2013 vote over Assad, or was there a more recent one over ISIS?
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Volkerball posted:Are you referring to the 2013 vote over Assad, or was there a more recent one over ISIS? nope my mistake though the vote approving action against daesh specified iraq only
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Kaal posted:It seems pretty transparently legal to me. It's war, the laws are pretty ok with making bad people die. Shocker, I know, but the UK doesn't require their soldiers to get a jury conviction before pulling the trigger. If there's any controversy over it, it's why the RAF isn't even more involved. The UK is supporting Iraq in combatting ISIS within its territory but the British military has not been given a mandate by parliament to conduct operations In Syria. Whether or not these killings should be judged as a police action and held to the rules governing domestic law enforcement is the issue, they where motivated apparently by the threat of a domestic plot and not as part of the Iraq campaign - Cameron seems to be arguing they where a necessary self defence action but seems reluctant to publish the legal advice clearing the attacks at this stage. Counter terrorism operations are by no means automatically covered purely by the law of war kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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SoggyBobcat posted:So I came across this video (ignore the comments)...: I'm pretty sure that's not a German train. 100% not a DB train and if it's an underground train, I've never seen it.
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Dodoman posted:Ah my mistake, I forgot to take the elevation into account. Wouldn't you want to keep your tanks upgraded whenever it is feasible to do so? But upgrades will only get you so far I guess, thanks for the info. I was in the UAE army, the only reason these gulf states dont have the latest stuff is due to resitrictions already in place, for example the UAE imports from various countries becuase they are ristricted from exclusively buying from one supplier, so they have to go through others for their needs, thats why things like the leclerc, bmp-3 and g-63 coexist, logistically undesirable but thems the breaks.
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Really Fizzil? I'd definitely read that Ask/Tell thread. In Iraq news, the Vice Minister of Justice was just kidnapped in northern Baghdad, and several hours ago, there was a sniper attack on the Minister of Defense near Baiji, which ended with no casualties. Both are being linked to Iranian-backed militias, but nothing is concrete yet. Could likely be a retaliation by Iran over the Iraqi Army raid against Kataib Hezbollah the other day. If Iraq doesn't back down and this escalates, it could have some positive effects, but mostly bad ones.
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Pimpmust posted:They might have worked in the first video, I've seen blow-out fires similar to that. Ammo burns off quickly, but the tank isn't left burning particularly heavily. Crew might still be hosed though if it penetrated into the compartment (and the tank is gonna be mission killed regardless). Compare the first tank (burns quickly) vs the second one and its big black smoke cloud. My curiosity being: The M1A2 has specific features for protecting the crew from ammo detonations. Unless the crew was storing ammo in the turret outside of the ammo bin, they should've been fine, flare up or not: 
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A Dutch reporter was arrested in Turkey a couple of days ago while doing an item on some Kurds there. She's not the only one either and I hope them reporters are going to be okay  Come on Turkey, what are you doing..http://www.sunherald.com/2015/09/06/6401043/dutch-journalist-detained-while.html
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The VICE guy was a Kurd and went to a known Gulenist university, so I have no idea what they were thinking when they sent him to Turkey.
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Don't know if anybody is interested but here it is: The situation in Turkey is worsening at an alarming rate. An attack on a military convoy in Daglica resulted in at least a dozen of dead security officers (the real number of casualties is possibly much higher). Then it was followed by another attack on a police vehicle in Igdir, which killed 13 officers. But perhaps most worryingly, assaults on Kurdish individuals and businesses is becoming a regular occurrence within the country. Tonight there will be a nation-wide demonstration by the Grey Wolves (ultra-nationalists). We'll see how it goes. Oh, and after the attack on Daglica, Erdogan said "this crisis wouldn't have happened if AKP won the elections overwhelmingly" on live TV.
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fspades posted:Don't know if anybody is interested but here it is: The situation in Turkey is worsening at an alarming rate. An attack on a military convoy in Daglica resulted in at least a dozen of dead security officers (the real number of casualties is possibly much higher). Then it was followed by another attack on a police vehicle in Igdir, which killed 13 officers. But perhaps most worryingly, assaults on Kurdish individuals and businesses is becoming a regular occurrence within the country. Tonight there will be a nation-wide demonstration by the Grey Wolves (ultra-nationalists). We'll see how it goes. Erdogan is going to drag Turkey back into a mess that should've been on its way out.
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Volkerball posted:Really Fizzil? I'd definitely read that Ask/Tell thread. Which thread? I wanna know if someone have done a more in depth look at it.
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Fizzil posted:Which thread? I wanna know if someone have done a more in depth look at it. I think what he means is that if you started an Ask/Tell thread, he'd read it. So would I, for that matter.
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Tomn posted:I think what he means is that if you started an Ask/Tell thread, he'd read it. So would I, for that matter. And me. I don't know much of anything about the UAE and I'd like to know more.
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fspades posted:Oh, and after the attack on Daglica, Erdogan said "this crisis wouldn't have happened if AKP won the elections overwhelmingly" on live TV. I guess that's true, since Erdogan might not have started all this if he'd had a clear majority in the election. 
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Apparently nationalists are torching the HDP HQ in Ankara at this moment. Edit: and here's a picture of the HDP building in Alanya burning tonight: https://twitter.com/umitpencereci/status/641328213143240704 MothraAttack fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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MothraAttack posted:Apparently nationalists are torching the HDP HQ in Ankara at this moment. The Syrian Revolution: Watch Erdogan start the clusterfuck war that will end with Israel nuking the bloody casbah 
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I know this gets requested once every hundred pages or so, but where is a good resource for learning what the current situation is in Syria with regards to alliances between and within the various faction and who controls what territory?
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MothraAttack posted:Apparently nationalists are torching the HDP HQ in Ankara at this moment. ThisIsJohnWayne posted:The Syrian Revolution: Watch Erdogan start the clusterfuck war that will end with Israel nuking the bloody casbah
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Fizzil posted:Which thread? I wanna know if someone have done a more in depth look at it. Echoing others, I would read your thread. e: Miltank posted:I know this gets requested once every hundred pages or so, but where is a good resource for learning what the current situation is in Syria with regards to alliances between and within the various faction and who controls what territory? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3390388&perpage=40&pagenumber=1835#post440981910 Something like that? Dusty Baker 2 fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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I've also heard that Turkish boots are now marching through Iraqi soil. Against the Kurdish (allies?) If we're officially supporting the Kurds in Iraq wouldn't this put us at proxy war with Turkey? Then again it's about time we did a Crimean electric boogaloo. #TurkeyshallGobble
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Ok, so thus far we have: Libya: Actually three different countries all at war with all the moment Egypt: A brutal military dictatorship that is starting to look worse then anything before that Yemen: The new civil war on the block, except the loving Gulf dictatorships are sending other things then money and guns there so that's a whole new layer of awful Iraq: Actually three different countries at the moment but only one that actually recognizes that is the only one that nobody recognizes. Somehow not the worst Iraq has been in the 21st century. Bahrain: What revolution? Lebanon: Oh, yeah, we didn't have enough refugees to begin with. No yeah, come in, its not like there is a loving government to do anything about it Turkey: Alarmingly starting to resemble Germany in '38, complete with a total megalomaniac mustached lunatic in charge Iran: Straight up taking on the Arab world by itself on multiple fronts and at least stalemating. While having been hamstrung by some of the most massive sanctions a country has ever faced. Kurds: BRING IT Islamic State: Yup, an actual 21st century caliphate. That's how crazy this all is. Syria:  Tunisia: "What the gently caress did we start?" Arab Winter is loving cold DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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DarkCrawler posted:Ok, so thus far we have: Syria's explanation is in particular is great, because how the gently caress do you even explain Syria at this point?
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DarkCrawler posted:Arab Winter is loving cold Arab Autumn. The worst is yet to come.
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You're being hyperbolic about turkey. they're not the next Nazi Germany. Also, the Kurds can only 'bring it' as long as the US gives them everything they need. it's already been demonstrated that they're a wet paper tiger when left unsupported.
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HorseRenoir posted:At least Oman is doing fine, I think? Oman, Jordan, Tunisia and Morocco are doing very good compared to their neighbors and mostly staying out of the clusterfuck (which disqualifies the Gulf countries, that and the fact they are literal slave states)- Like I don't know what the gently caress this poo poo is going to turn into. If regions were family members, Middle East would be that one person nobody mentions in gatherings. Then someone turns on the TV and their face is plastered next to a live feed of a drug fueled car chase.
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Grouchio posted:I've also heard that Turkish boots are now marching through Iraqi soil. Against the Kurdish (allies?) If we're officially supporting the Kurds in Iraq wouldn't this put us at proxy war with Turkey? They've crossed the border in pursuit of PKK fighters who withdrew across the border following an exchange of fire with the military on the Turkish side. It's the first time in a while this has happened (last time was 2011 I think? May have been another incident since then) and will definitely stir the pot a bit but it's not going to start a war
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Al-Saqr posted:You're being hyperbolic about turkey. they're not the next Nazi Germany. Well yeah, but its going into a pretty worrying direction nevertheless. Al-Saqr posted:Also, the Kurds can only 'bring it' as long as the US gives them everything they need. it's already been demonstrated that they're a wet paper tiger when left unsupported. No army in this conflict can bring anything without being supported, whether it be ISIS and the clandestine funds from Wahhabists and who knows who else, Syrian Arab Army without Iranians and Hezbollah, Yemenis without the Gulf, Houthis without Iran, Iraq without Iran again and U.S. (another thing that makes this conflict so bizarre) and so forth. Kurds did get the biggest sugar daddy besides Iraq who got the two best ones, but in turn they are the only one doing all the fighting on the ground too.
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DarkCrawler posted:Well yeah, but its going into a pretty worrying direction nevertheless. This is true, there is very little industrial base in the area. Ironically Iran is probably best situated to build its own weapons even under sanction. If the KRG wasn't incompetently led they would have built up factories (instead of hotels) that could build heavy weaponry for the rest of Iraq. They would be sitting pretty right now; even if the weapons weren't terribly high tech a lot of fighting in the area is done with fairly simple weapons. Iraq had a decent industry to build license built soviet stuff but I'm going to guess it got looted somehow in the last decade or so.
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fade5 posted:Have a cool picture of the sandstorm hitting Syria right now: Dear nature, SERIOUSLY?! Respectfully go gently caress yourself - Syrians Torpor posted:This is true, there is very little industrial base in the area. Ironically Iran is probably best situated to build its own weapons even under sanction. Well they did have a lot of top-of-the-line American hardware until they...uhh...just kind of left them. EDIT: Haha, this is how Iraqi military's Wikipedia page starts quote:The Iraqi Armed Forces are the military forces of the Government of Iraq. They consist of the Iraqi Army, the Iraqi Air Force, and the Iraqi Navy. you don't say DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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Al-Saqr posted:You're being hyperbolic about turkey. they're not the next Nazi Germany. You sure about that? Because the crowd in the middle of Istanbul were chanting "We don't want (anti-terror) operations, we want massacres" today. That's an exact translation.
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fspades posted:You sure about that? Because the crowd in the middle of Istanbul were chanting "We don't want (anti-terror) operations, we want massacres" today. That's an exact translation. Crowds chant what they want to chant. Doesn't mean that turkey is banning all parties, establishing a personality cult, opening concentration camps and invading every country around it.
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