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Bait and Swatch posted:Was the only ethnic group we hadn't hosed over maybe. Some Iraqi Kurds would probably add 1996 to that as well when America was perceived to drag their feet over Saddam's incursion into Northern Iraq, the seizure of Erbil and the subsequent massacres - it took about 3 days for the US to start Desert Strike, by which stage the majority of the Iraqi army had already withdrawn from Erbil. It wasn't exactly the "comfort" that some Kurdish groups (and Iraqi dissidents) thought the Americans where meant to be providing.
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Volkerball posted:...and don't exist because Bush lied people died. Remember when you were arguing the Iraq invasion wasn't about oil?
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Why does everyone assume ISIS got mustard gas from old Saddam stockpiles and not the more logical source which would be old Assad stockpiles. You guy don't think Assad really gave up ALL his weapons in 2013 did you? Or that they were all accounted for in the first place?
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Charliegrs posted:Why does everyone assume ISIS got mustard gas from old Saddam stockpiles and not the more logical source which would be old Assad stockpiles. You guy don't think Assad really gave up ALL his weapons in 2013 did you? Or that they were all accounted for in the first place? Well it was reported last year that ISIS had seized unsecured stockpiles of aged mustard gas from the Iran-Iraq war era so
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Jagchosis posted:Well it was reported last year that ISIS had seized unsecured stockpiles of aged mustard gas from the Iran-Iraq war era so Why did we leave unsecured stockpiles of aged mustard gas from the Iran-Iraq war? Also for books about the Kurds there is Mehrdad Izady. I did a paper on the Kurds back in 06 and in addition to being a lovely paper, that guy was one of the few authors on the topic I could find in my school's library.
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It seems the WMD genie is already out of the box. Why not make a wish?
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Torpor posted:Why did we leave unsecured stockpiles of aged mustard gas from the Iran-Iraq war? iirc it was because it injured a number of soldiers and it was easier for the Pentagon to sweep the whole thing under the rug and leave them there. Article about FOIA documents pertaining to the weapons Initial report about ISIS seizing a chemical weapons facility e: note the military analysts saying that the weapons would have little use beyond being used in IEDs. That is probably what ISIS did considering none of the reports of their chemical weapons use indicates that they are nearly on the level of military grade chemical munitions like those used in say, Ghouta
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Catching up on a few thoughts from awhile ago. So a new audio from Ayman al-Zawahiri declares war on ISIS and Baghdadi. http://abcnews.go.com/International/al-qaeda-leader-al-zawahiri-declares-war-isis/story?id=33656684 At another point someone asked about how rebel troops moved around logistically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC0jlzo-EUg&feature=youtu.be This is a rebel convoy reported as moving from Abu Duhur to the regime enclave at Fu'ah. Beyond the horde of pickups and normal guns on flatbeds, you see a good amount of towed artillery and atleast 5 semis carrying armored vehicles . The tanks look fairly beat up, bu the one self propelled artillery they show looks like it's in good condition. It does look like they're going to try and finish off the Fu'ah pocket, but they're also announcements of planning a large force to move into Hama. 20k was the figure I saw thrown around but obviously that should be viewed skeptically.
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Sep 11, 2015 04:35
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It is now the 14th Anniversary of 9/11, according to EST. Let us reflect on that past tragedy, and think about how we could possibly fix up at least a little of the Middle East. Never Forget.
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Sep 11, 2015 05:10
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Grouchio posted:and think about how we could possibly fix up at least a little of the Middle East. PPPPFFFFFFFFFFF-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Sep 11, 2015 05:15
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Al-Saqr posted:PPPPFFFFFFFFFFF-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Grouchio posted:It is now the 14th Anniversary of 9/11, according to EST. Let us reflect on that past tragedy, and think about how we could possibly fix up at least a little of the Middle East. I sympathize Grouchio, but it would have to be on a scale the US couldn't screw up. I think if the US inserted 6-8 SFOD-D operators during work hours, they could surprise some Middle Eastern family with a newly painted apartment (disclaimer: the ISA might be wrong about family's preferred color- windows and doors might be destroyed by breaching charges).
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Al-Saqr posted:PPPPFFFFFFFFFFF-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Maybe he means to fix it like Jimmy Savile.
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farraday posted:Catching up on a few thoughts from awhile ago. American rapprochement with Al Qaeda. Do it. Do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1lkf70g-8
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In fifteen years we've gone from Let's Going against Al Qaeda before diverting to Iraq for some reason nobody's entirely clear on to this day, to watching as they do the job we're both unable and unwilling to perform fighting the revanchist islamist caliphate. And all it took was multiple trillion dollars, some dead Troops and mortgaging every liberty and principle that purportedly makes America cool and good. Namaste.
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Willie Tomg posted:In fifteen years we've gone from Let's Going against Al Qaeda before diverting to Iraq for some reason nobody's entirely clear on to this day, to watching as they do the job we're both unable and unwilling to perform fighting the revanchist islamist caliphate. And all it took was multiple trillion dollars, some dead Troops and mortgaging every liberty and principle that purportedly makes America cool and good. Namaste. Everyone said that even from the perspective of a pragmatic Islamic terrorist that bin Laden was crazy because there was no way that bombing America was somehow magically going to make the caliphate reappear. I certainly believed it was a total non-sequitur. But in tortuous sort of way, he actually succeeded 
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So this was yesterday. Is it gonna be civil war time again now in Turkey?
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Friendly Tumour posted:So this was yesterday. Is it gonna be civil war time again now in Turkey? It's almost unavoidable at this point. The tenuous bridges are burned.
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Sep 11, 2015 11:30
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farraday posted:Catching up on a few thoughts from awhile ago. September 11, 2001: al-Qa'eda destroys World Trade Centre in order to help restore the Caliphate. September 11, 2015: al-Qa'eda declares war on Caliphate.
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Sep 11, 2015 11:47
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No true Caliphate. I can't remember the documentary but I remember watching one that covered a jihadi splinter group that slowly devoured itself because members kept seeing their remaining fellows as not quite jihadi enough.
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Sep 11, 2015 12:05
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Higsian posted:No true Caliphate. I believe it was Monty Pythons Life of Basim.
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Higsian posted:No true Caliphate. IIRC this was a segment of The Power of Nightmares, where they went into detail about an Islamist splinter group in Algeria that kept shrinking as it became more fundamentalist.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:IIRC this was a segment of The Power of Nightmares, where they went into detail about an Islamist splinter group in Algeria that kept shrinking as it became more fundamentalist. Yeah that's the one.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:IIRC this was a segment of The Power of Nightmares, where they went into detail about an Islamist splinter group in Algeria that kept shrinking as it became more fundamentalist. But now in 2015 you grow as thousands from all over the world choose to join the most insanely radical group there is.
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Friendly Tumour posted:So this was yesterday. Is it gonna be civil war time again now in Turkey? A Civil War would require opposition factions strong enough to pursue war for a meaningful length of time. It's probably pogroms against Kurds time now in Turkey, not civil war. Worst case scenario there's a coup
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CeeJee posted:But now in 2015 you grow as thousands from all over the world choose to join the most insanely radical group there is. Let them go. Make ISIL a honeypot to end all honeypots.
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Darth Walrus posted:September 11, 2001: al-Qa'eda destroys World Trade Centre in order to help restore the Caliphate. God Creates Man Man Destroys God Man Invades Iraq
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Sep 11, 2015 13:33
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CeeJee posted:But now in 2015 you grow as thousands from all over the world choose to join the most insanely radical group there is. The fundamentalists lost their civil war with the Algerian government though, so people will be willing to put up with a lot if you have a proven track record. Even still, not all of the militant Islamists are signing up for ISIL by a longshot.
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To give you an idea of the level of discourse about Syrian refugees here in the States:
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Zeroisanumber posted:To give you an idea of the level of discourse about Syrian refugees here in the States: it seems as though this visual metaphor could have been made rather more easily by, you know, using visual metaphors instead of giant labels
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Sep 11, 2015 14:54
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Zeroisanumber posted:To give you an idea of the level of discourse about Syrian refugees here in the States: I see the Trump take on Immigration is alive and well....
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V. Illych L. posted:it seems as though this visual metaphor could have been made rather more easily by, you know, using visual metaphors instead of giant labels Seriously just have an ISIS flag on the tail, or have some random 'terrorist looking' person peaking out the bottom or the back. Instead of just writing Europe on the door just have the European union flag flying over the castle or something. Theres really no excuses for labels in a cartoon this dumb.
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I think you've all lost touch with the state of political discourse in the us
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V. Illych L. posted:it seems as though this visual metaphor could have been made rather more easily by, you know, using visual metaphors instead of giant labels The Trojan Horse is in the shape of a donkey, the symbol of the Democratic party. That's downright clever by the standards of american political cartoons.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:07
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Zeroisanumber posted:To give you an idea of the level of discourse about Syrian refugees here in the States: So the same as Europe then.
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Gmaz posted:So the same as Europe then. The difference is that the European opposition is loud and is changing policy, whereas the American opposition is quiet and is saying "Yeah, Europe should take in those refugees."
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Sep 11, 2015 17:37
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Happy birthday, Bashar 
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Sep 11, 2015 17:41
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Radio Prune posted:Happy birthday, Bashar 
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