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PCOS Bill posted:I don't want a car that feels huge.
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Like it or not, the new Civic isn't a loving Aztek, it's not "hideous" you dumb car nerds. If the leak came with info that it was going to come with an AWD wagon variant you'd all be getting wet at the idea of it, singing its praises, then not buying it anyway.
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Sep 12, 2015 08:22
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Wheeee posted:Like it or not, the new Civic isn't a loving Aztek, it's not "hideous" you dumb car nerds. The Aztec was an attractive vehicle, the new Civic is ugly as balls.
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Sep 12, 2015 14:21
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fknlo posted:You know that Acura beak that everyone loved? We should put that on the civic. Except make it stretch the whole front of the car. It's the chrome eyebrows look from the last-gen Fusion 
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Sep 12, 2015 15:03
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To take a break from styling chat, a significant thing happened yesterday. BMW, Ford, General Motors, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Tesla, Toyota, Volkswagen and Volvo all committed to making auto-braking standard equipment across their line. It's likely a move to head off legislation mandating it, but it's still a pretty big step forward for automation.
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Sep 12, 2015 15:30
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So the LAPD is buying teslas? Oh brother
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Sep 12, 2015 16:27
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Top Hats Monthly posted:So the LAPD is buying teslas? Oh brother Oceanside PD has one already. Unmarked, no idea how they got it, but it's got blackout tint and you'd never know until you split past it on a bike and see a mounted shotgun.
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Sep 12, 2015 16:40
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Wheeee posted:Like it or not, the new Civic isn't a loving Aztek, it's not "hideous" you dumb car nerds. I don't like the new Civic because it appears to be loving massive. The styling is pretty unoffensive, even bland.
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bull3964 posted:To take a break from styling chat, a significant thing happened yesterday. BMW, Ford, General Motors, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Tesla, Toyota, Volkswagen and Volvo all committed to making auto-braking standard equipment across their line. I've seen the videos of it failing though, I bet we'll get lawsuits where people will crash into people and sue the car company because the car didn't stop. 
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Sep 12, 2015 19:42
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I'm guessing that no guarantee of effectiveness is given. After all, if you get injured in an accident where your airbag deployed correctly you don't sue the car company.
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Sep 12, 2015 19:56
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bull3964 posted:To take a break from styling chat, a significant thing happened yesterday. BMW, Ford, General Motors, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Tesla, Toyota, Volkswagen and Volvo all committed to making auto-braking standard equipment across their line. And another death knell for manual transmissions though the writing has always been on the walls. Automated braking probably doesn't work very well with manuals since the car has no control over the clutch and transmission so it could cause the engine to stall and you could end up in the wrong gear after the automated braking is released. It probably won't end up on manual transmission cars but it's one less feature the manufacturer and dealer could sell you on and, depending on how it's designed and implemented, it may be more expensive to produce a car without automated braking let alone with a manual transmission.
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Sep 12, 2015 20:26
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Writing is on the wall anyways for manual transmissions since they don't work (or, rather, are unnecessary) on electric vehicles. Anyways, the braking is for emergency purposes only, there's no reason why that couldn't be put on a manual vehicle since it really wouldn't matter if you stalled. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Sep 12, 2015 |
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Sep 12, 2015 20:31
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The best automatics are already strictly better than manuals, apparently including Mazda's new unit, so I wonder how long it'll be before lovely automatics are the exception in mainstream vehicles rather than the rule. Probably never since most automatics are poo poo due to being programmed around gaming mileage tests rather than technical reasons.
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Sep 12, 2015 21:27
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Wheeee posted:The best automatics are already strictly better than manuals, apparently including Mazda's new unit, so I wonder how long it'll be before lovely automatics are the exception in mainstream vehicles rather than the rule. Better technically, worse enjoyably.
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Sep 12, 2015 22:06
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There will undoubtedly be ways around the lovely programming though, a reflash/hack will make the trans perform however you want.
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Sep 12, 2015 22:40
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Wheeee posted:The best automatics are already strictly better than manuals 
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Sep 12, 2015 22:41
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It's objectively true. Better mileage, faster acceleration, more efficient. All manuals have left is how people feel about them, and I'm guessing we're the last generation of driver's who really care. No one misses hand crank starters or ox-carts either.
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Anyone that denies that automatics today are objectively better than manuals aren't helping because it's true. Anything on paper and measurable is better with today's automatics. I still drive a stick and will continue to do so as I am able but it is purely an enjoyment thing. I'll shift slower, rougher, and get worse mileage but I'll enjoy the drive more.
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Sep 12, 2015 23:01
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If electric cars become the norm fixed ratio transmissions like tesla uses will replace both auto and manual.
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Sep 12, 2015 23:10
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KakerMix posted:Anyone that denies that automatics today are objectively better than manuals aren't helping because it's true. Anything on paper and measurable is better with today's automatics. Yeah, but "on paper and measurable" brought us eugenics, so whatever. When you drive an automatic you're giving a reach-around to Hitler.
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Sep 12, 2015 23:21
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Edward IV posted:And another death knell for manual transmissions though the writing has always been on the walls. Automated braking probably doesn't work very well with manuals since the car has no control over the clutch and transmission so it could cause the engine to stall and you could end up in the wrong gear after the automated braking is released. It probably won't end up on manual transmission cars but it's one less feature the manufacturer and dealer could sell you on and, depending on how it's designed and implemented, it may be more expensive to produce a car without automated braking let alone with a manual transmission. Autobraking is already a feature in manual transmission cars today, so that is no reason for the death of the stick. Emission and CO2/fuel consumption standards & regulations are more of a threat. The automatic gearbox allows more "trickey" to be accounted for when running fuel consumption test cycles. Like coasting in neutral etc. Stuff that is still possible with a manual, but since it is not automated, is not allowed during the test cycle. There are solutions though: https://youtu.be/wK3Z3x0umcQ
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Seat Safety Switch posted:When you drive an automatic you're giving a reach-around to Hitler.
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Sep 12, 2015 23:53
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Frank Dillinger posted:It's objectively true. Better mileage, faster acceleration, more efficient. Depends. Real world economy often doesn't line up with official numbers (just ask anyone with a 7 speed DSG in their VW)
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Wheeee posted:so I wonder how long it'll be before lovely automatics are the exception in mainstream vehicles rather than the rule. Hasn't the Corolla been on the same 4 speed forever, or did they finally change that?
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blk posted:Hasn't the Corolla been on the same 4 speed forever, or did they finally change that? They have CVTs now, which is an improvement I guess. It's a bit like Sophie's Choice for transmissions Admittedly, I've never driven the CVT
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a primate posted:They have CVTs now, which is an improvement I guess. It's a bit like Sophie's Choice for transmissions
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The least efficient 4 speed Corolla still beats or matches the fuel economy of the most efficient automatic/dual clutch Ford Focus or Chevy Cruze, so maybe the number of speeds in the transmission isn't everything? I've been reading a fair bit on dual clutch transmissions recently, especially the dry clutch types used by Ford and VW and they are pretty scary. Dry clutch DSGs use straight airflow to cool their clutches, so the bellhousings have vents for airflow. People living in rainy or dusty climates or drive through mildly deep puddles are getting all kinds of hilarious problems - water changes the friction coefficient of the clutches, but the clutches are controlled only by electronics, unlike the older 6 speed wet clutch types that use hydraulic pressure in tandem, so the clutches pretty much destroy themselves, and water getting into the bellhousing causes rust in all kinds of neat places, like the face of the flywheel. The whole DSG-in-passenger-cars idea was a VW/Piech ego play because Toyota/AIsin supplied almost all of VAG's transverse automatic transmissions and Piech just wanted to be independent. Companies like Toyota/Aisin and Mazda that make their own transmissions pretty much looked at VW's DSGs, laughed their asses off and said HAHA HOW ABOUT NOPE. Ford is almost certainly going back to a regular 6AT in the next Ford Focus because the current DCT is un-fixable and basically can't match the efficiency of a good TC transmission like the Mazda3s anyway. The best part is that dry clutch DSGs are actually much cheaper to build than conventional autos, especially if you care about intellectual property rights which are mostly controlled by companies like Aisin and ZF, so all the Chinese cheap car makers use DSGs now. GM is putting DSGs into their new Cruze and Buicks in the Chinese market and all the reviews are saying that the GM DSGs are worse than dogshit. I can't wait until VW brings the 7 speed dsg over to North America. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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That 6 speed DCT in the focus I think is the main reason those cars got hit with the depreciation stick so hard. $24K out the door, $12K trade in three years later. With all the recalls. Once they fixed the seal letting transmission fluid leak onto the clutch surfaces it was a decent driving car. Still, I dunno who let that car out to the public with how it drove initially. I basically felt like I pre-ordered a car from Ubisoft at that point and got to beta test it for full retail.
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Throatwarbler posted:I've been reading a fair bit on dual clutch transmissions recently, especially the dry clutch types used by Ford and VW and they are pretty scary. Dry clutch DSGs use straight airflow to cool their clutches, so the bellhousings have vents for airflow. People living in rainy or dusty climates or drive through mildly deep puddles are getting all kinds of hilarious problems - water changes the friction coefficient of the clutches, but the clutches are controlled only by electronics, unlike the older 6 speed wet clutch types that use hydraulic pressure in tandem, so the clutches pretty much destroy themselves, and water getting into the bellhousing causes rust in all kinds of neat places, like the face of the flywheel. Can they run tubes/shrouds over the open vents and passively or actively force air over the clutch? Packaging might be tough.
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Isn't part of manuals getting worse mileage related to the manuals not being updated and geared worse at least at highway driving? Also, owning an automatic for 200k miles is still a crapshoot and if you have a problem it costs a lot versus a manually typically being the clutch is all. Would you rather replace a clutch or a dsg/cvt?
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Throatwarbler posted:The least efficient 4 speed Corolla still beats or matches the fuel economy of the most efficient automatic/dual clutch Ford Focus or Chevy Cruze, so maybe the number of speeds in the transmission isn't everything? The RS6, RS7, and S8 all use the ZF 8 speed because Audi says the DSG can't handle the torque of their engines.
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kimbo305 posted:Can they run tubes/shrouds over the open vents and passively or actively force air over the clutch? Packaging might be tough. it's "active" right now because the spinning clutch acts to flow air. They've added shrouds and dust covers and whatnot and are trying to optimize the airflow so that dust gets blown out as much as possible.
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BloodBag posted:That 6 speed DCT in the focus I think is the main reason those cars got hit with the depreciation stick so hard. $24K out the door, $12K trade in three years later. With all the recalls. Once they fixed the seal letting transmission fluid leak onto the clutch surfaces it was a decent driving car. Still, I dunno who let that car out to the public with how it drove initially. I basically felt like I pre-ordered a car from Ubisoft at that point and got to beta test it for full retail. 50% depreciation at 3 years is not far from the average for most cars
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 toyota co new styling iinspiration: anime hair
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all this hubbabloo about the 2017 GT being rated at 630hp/539ft/lbs and 2890lbs in forza, and nobody seems to mention the 2017 raptor is also there with only 450hp, 440ft/lbs, and weighing a porky 5700lbs, only 300lbs less than the old raptor and barely more powerful. so if they have super secret specs from ford, the GT is going to be amazing, and the raptor could end up being a turd.
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atomicthumbs posted:
Half the reason I want a truck is a real bumper.
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atomicthumbs posted:
Is the black stripe on the C pillar a tiny hosed up window or just black plastic?
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Mange Mite posted:Is the black stripe on the C pillar a tiny hosed up window or just black plastic? It's plastic, you can see the seams.
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atomicthumbs posted:
Christ, it's so bad. "We have these character lines, see, and...well....they're really short and random and don't go anywhere"
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They're guidelines for sick flame/Tron paintjobs, duh.
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