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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Godholio posted:

Is this the part where we start sending Stingers to ISIS?

It's times like this we must ask ourselves "What would Reagan do?"

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inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

B4Ctom1 posted:

loving metal

..then they surrendered.

At least they had their senses to avoid being plastered by the 100mm.

Part of the reason for them surrendering was that they were protecting a civilian British Antarctic Survey crew whom they didn't want to see massacred, plus as already mentioned the 100mm was starting to bracket them.
I read this recently which is one of the Marines account of events: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Too-Few-Far-Marine-Commando/dp/1445606208 although the description of the battle itself is quite short. The captured Marines were released back to the UK before the main battle for the Falklands had even started which seems a tad remiss on Argentina's part...

Edit: The story of the re-capture of South Georgia is equally :black101: and features some more lovely ATGM vs warship shenanigans, in this case an ancient Wasp helo with equally ancient missiles causing an Argentine sub to beach after multiple hits: http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/TherecaptureofSouthGeorgia.cfm

inkjet_lakes fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Sep 13, 2015

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Force de Fappe posted:

All I want is to see Russians and Westerners, at last shoulder to shoulder as they crush the Middle East under their bootheels :unsmith:

Iron Eagle 2 has that covered :patriot: :ussr:

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Wingnut Ninja posted:

So this was a thing: F-35s hone dog fighting skills at Top Gun for 1st time

It was pretty cool seeing them flying around. Very sleek and curvy. And that engine is loving enormous.

These guys being in town is how I've learned the Navy is poo poo for on-time takeoffs. Couldn't get a SINGLE photo on takeoff because they were either early or way too late.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

inkjet_lakes posted:

Part of the reason for them surrendering was that they were protecting a civilian British Antarctic Survey crew whom they didn't want to see massacred

I was inspired to read about this on Wikipedia after the original post about it, and it said:

quote:

The new rules of engagement authorized Mills to "fire in self defence, after warning". A later statement from the British government instructed the marines to "not resist beyond the point where lives might be lost to no avail."

OhYeah
Jan 20, 2007

1. Currently the most prevalent form of decision-making in the western world

2. While you are correct in saying that the society owns

3. You have not for a second demonstrated here why

4. I love the way that you equate "state" with "bureaucracy". Is that how you really feel about the state

Mr. Showtime posted:

I don't know if I've been infected with a terminal case of Grover or something but I've been growing to like the F-35. If I ever try to build my own house, someone please mercy-kill me.

Adorable Baltic country news:

So, okay, it's just some dude fangirling hard over F-22s landing, right? It turns out Colonel Jaak Tarian is the commander of the entire Estonian Air Force.

How are these countries even real?

Are you mocking us because we are a small and relatively poor country? Do you think it's reasonable to expect a country of 1.3 million people, that was still under Soviet dictatorship 25 years ago by the way, to have their own air force?

Cat Mattress posted:

The entire Estonian Air Force is smaller than your typical hillbilly aeroclub.

The Baltic countries' air forces are mostly radar operators, they have some limited light transport/patrol/search and rescue capability but the only reason they've got airfields is to be able to host the rotating NATO presence that does the actual air force work in their skies.

Like when you know the Estonian Air Force has a personnel of only about 200 people, then it sheds a different light on this whole "holy poo poo we managed to make our air base good enough for the US stealth fighter to land on it" spiel.

Yeah, the Baltic states don't have their own air forces for obvious reasons. We have done our best to provide infrastructure for deployments by our NATO allies. I can't tell you how I know this, but there have been several options under consideration to get our own air force, but they are all unfortunately financially unfeasible at the moment.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
The Danish F-16s hang out in Estonia most of the time, don't they? I remember in the somewhat recent kerfuffle when Russia sent some Backfires to say hello to Sweden (and the Swedish Air Force failed to intercept them because everyone was on vacation) that they were escorted the entire way by Danish F-16s.

OhYeah
Jan 20, 2007

1. Currently the most prevalent form of decision-making in the western world

2. While you are correct in saying that the society owns

3. You have not for a second demonstrated here why

4. I love the way that you equate "state" with "bureaucracy". Is that how you really feel about the state

david_a posted:

The Danish F-16s hang out in Estonia most of the time, don't they? I remember in the somewhat recent kerfuffle when Russia sent some Backfires to say hello to Sweden (and the Swedish Air Force failed to intercept them because everyone was on vacation) that they were escorted the entire way by Danish F-16s.

Pretty much anyone you can think of in NATO has been stationed in the Baltics at one point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Air_Policing

Currently there are four Eurofighters (German) in Ämari, starting from September 1st.

AlexanderCA
Jul 21, 2010

by Cyrano4747

OhYeah posted:

Are you mocking us because we are a small and relatively poor country? Do you think it's reasonable to expect a country of 1.3 million people, that was still under Soviet dictatorship 25 years ago by the way, to have their own air force?


Maybe NATO can station a sense of humour squadron next rotation.

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

hobbesmaster posted:

It's times like this we must ask ourselves "What would Reagan do?"

Sell Lithuanian meth flown in and out using unmarked CIA chartered black flights to China to fund purchases of black-market 9K720 Iskander TBMs to give to the Lord's Resistance Army in exchange for them attacking Boko Haram.

I was literally and completely by chance chewing jelly beans as I wrote this.

OhYeah
Jan 20, 2007

1. Currently the most prevalent form of decision-making in the western world

2. While you are correct in saying that the society owns

3. You have not for a second demonstrated here why

4. I love the way that you equate "state" with "bureaucracy". Is that how you really feel about the state

AlexanderCA posted:

Maybe NATO can station a sense of humour squadron next rotation.

If it's an American deployment, no thanks, I'd rather have the fighters. If it's British, on the other hand...

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

OhYeah posted:

If it's an American deployment, no thanks, I'd rather have the fighters. If it's British, on the other hand...

No worries, the USAF has almost completely banished all humor and good-natured fun. The next year or two of personnel cuts and outright lies from leadership should take care of the remains.

OhYeah
Jan 20, 2007

1. Currently the most prevalent form of decision-making in the western world

2. While you are correct in saying that the society owns

3. You have not for a second demonstrated here why

4. I love the way that you equate "state" with "bureaucracy". Is that how you really feel about the state

Godholio posted:

No worries, the USAF has almost completely banished all humor and good-natured fun. The next year or two of personnel cuts and outright lies from leadership should take care of the remains.

Glad to hear things are working out for you guys.

On a serious note, is it really *that* bad?

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd
Yes

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

The Military - "Always more. Always worse."

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
Its okay, the f35 is hilarious!

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

Disaster and death is always hilarious.

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

saw a B17 flying around and then landing at tillamook while drinking many beers at de garde which is just down the street from the air museum

loving awesome

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Managed to sneak through FT Worth as the Blue Angels were finishing their set on day two. Soooo glad I didn't hit that stretch of highway ten minutes later.

But seriously air nerds, if you ever get even a remote chance to go see an F-22 demo in person, do it.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED


Why an apparent Israeli nuclear test in 1979 still matters.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!




Oh are we posting MiG photos?

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Thief
Jan 28, 2011

:420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420:
came across these while getting drunk at some bar :tinsley:

AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009

:911:

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
Does the crudeness of early MiGs make it more or less likely that people will keep them airworthy? In other words, since people were just figuring out jets back when they were made, is repairing one of these things today like playing with Duplo blocks instead of Legos, or do they need tons of finicky custom parts?

Thief
Jan 28, 2011

:420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420:
I think once you're at the point of seriously restoring ancient jets, the troubles of even making replacement parts from scratch isn't going to be that big of a problem.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Are there online companies you can submit a dxf or some kind of CAD file and they can mill you out whatever out of whatever material then ship it? This seems like something that would exist and would be awesome.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Spaced God posted:

Oh are we posting MiG photos?





Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!




But how many of those did you take? :smug:

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

priznat posted:

Are there online companies you can submit a dxf or some kind of CAD file and they can mill you out whatever out of whatever material then ship it? This seems like something that would exist and would be awesome.

There's a ton, protolabs is one.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Spaced God posted:

But how many of those did you take? :smug:

lol none. I presume fancy-pants people like you will take pictures, so I don't bother much with my Iphone. My wife sometimes takes pictures, but she's basically set up for birds and lizards rather than for fire-breathing airplanes.

Have a video of an M3P rate of fire test I took. And also some wildlife:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRHxkjiTZMc


SAM Site dust storm:


SAM Site raking those rocks:



SAM Site Oasis:

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

hobbesmaster posted:

There's a ton, protolabs is one.

Awesome, seems like something like that would be super handy for keeping old MiGs flying!

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

david_a posted:

Does the crudeness of early MiGs make it more or less likely that people will keep them airworthy? In other words, since people were just figuring out jets back when they were made, is repairing one of these things today like playing with Duplo blocks instead of Legos, or do they need tons of finicky custom parts?

The thing you need to remember about old MiGs like the -15 and -17 is that they made and widely exported ENORMOUS numbers of them, and even more enormous numbers of spare parts. Much like how there are hundreds of absolutely brand-new WWII aircraft engines still in warehouses all over the world, there are likely similar repositories of MiG parts as well.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



mlmp08 posted:

lol none. I presume fancy-pants people like you will take pictures, so I don't bother much with my Iphone. My wife sometimes takes pictures, but she's basically set up for birds and lizards rather than for fire-breathing airplanes.

Have a video of an M3P rate of fire test I took. And also some wildlife:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRHxkjiTZMc


SAM Site dust storm:


SAM Site raking those rocks:



SAM Site Oasis:



I'd try to one-up you with my logbook entry for a B-17 but SAMs probably win that anyways :v:

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

mlmp08 posted:

SAM Site raking those rocks:



This is like the most Army picture ever

Propagandalf
Dec 6, 2008

itchy itchy itchy itchy

iyaayas01 posted:

This is like the most Army picture ever

It's missing the Pfc urinating just barely not out of sight.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

iyaayas01 posted:

This is like the most Army picture ever

That was the direct result of a Brigade Commander (who otherwise was pretty damned awesome) remembering his comment of "huh, rocky out here" as "I gave you a direct order to clear out these rocks what the gently caress is wrong with you are you trying to get people's ankles broken do you know how old general XXX is ARGLEBARGLE"

And Propagandalf, no worries, our male PFCs pissed in the trailer-potties not pictured to the left. I also once got chased down by the Indian contractor who serviced the toilets while he was carrying a baggy full of bloody tampons while he kept yelling that the "tippons" were clogging the female toilets. Fair enough, never quite figured out who, but at least one of our female soldiers couldn't stop clogging up the pipes with tippons nearly every loving month. Good thing that didn't make the whole site smell like piss and poo poo.

About the time we got that to stop was when our landlord told us to stop using toilet paper and flushing it into his septic system and instead to just wipe our asses with paper and then put the poo poo-paper into plastic trash cans so we wouldn't clog the pipes in his condos furnished with marble-top counters and polished slate floors and 7+ swimming pools :negative:

e: we totally measured out how many meters from each piece of equipment is required for MO&E based on the TC and then raked accordingly.

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

david_a posted:

Does the crudeness of early MiGs make it more or less likely that people will keep them airworthy? In other words, since people were just figuring out jets back when they were made, is repairing one of these things today like playing with Duplo blocks instead of Legos, or do they need tons of finicky custom parts?

If you haven't yet, read Red Eagles. They kinda talk about some of that in passing with the maintenance crews (and this was the 60s-80s? I think). The pacing of the book is a little weird but it's really good and informative.

http://www.amazon.com/Red-Eagles-Americas-General-Aviation/dp/1846039703

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AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009

MrChips posted:

The thing you need to remember about old MiGs like the -15 and -17 is that they made and widely exported ENORMOUS numbers of them, and even more enormous numbers of spare parts. Much like how there are hundreds of absolutely brand-new WWII aircraft engines still in warehouses all over the world, there are likely similar repositories of MiG parts as well.
So in this case, would you basically get fuselage failure on your aircraft from cumulative age/stress before you actually ran out of spare parts? I read this was one of the things happening to Best Korea's air force old Migs during their recent "ramp-up".

AceRimmer fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Sep 14, 2015

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