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FourLeaf: Dec 2, 2011

Heresiarch posted:

I want to ask if Wade at any point addresses the fact that there's more genetic diversity within sub-Saharan Africa than there is outside it, but I think I already know the answer.

There's a greater genetic distance between the Bantu and Khoisan people than there is between any two "Caucasian" groups you can pick (like for example, East Indians and Germans), but I've never seen a single work of scientific racism even acknowledge that there exists distinct populations like that in Africa.

There was a Psychology Today article a few years ago by an evolutionary psychologist that postulated that more genetic diversity in Africa = more mutations in African evolutionary history, and that more mutations in Africans than other people = why black women are the least attractive race of women.

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I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Would love to see how attractiveness is quantified.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 07:47

Strudel Man: May 19, 2003; ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

From 1 to 10, duh.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 07:52

90s Cringe Rock: Nov 29, 2006

"Are you a feminist? Y/N" written on paper bag.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 08:05

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

FourLeaf posted:

There was a Psychology Today article a few years ago by an evolutionary psychologist that postulated that more genetic diversity in Africa = more mutations in African evolutionary history, and that more mutations in Africans than other people = why black women are the least attractive race of women.

If you're not grossly misrepresenting the argument, whoever made that absolutely idiotic argument should be fired. From whatever their current position is. Even if they're a taxi driver or whatever.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 08:08

Merdifex: May 13, 2015; by Shine

Cingulate posted:

If you're not grossly misrepresenting the argument, whoever made that absolutely idiotic argument should be fired. From whatever their current position is. Even if they're a taxi driver or whatever.

It was Satoshi Kanazawa. And yes, he is a moron.

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FourLeaf: Dec 2, 2011

Cingulate posted:

If you're not grossly misrepresenting the argument, whoever made that absolutely idiotic argument should be fired. From whatever their current position is. Even if they're a taxi driver or whatever.

I dug up the article, and I was slightly off. It came out in 2011 so I misremembered a bit. He says that more genetic mutations in Africans could account for black women being uglier, since more mutations automatically equal decreased physical attractiveness. But since black men are more attractive than men of other races, that can't be it. So what's the reason? His conclusion: Testosterone makes black women less attractive and black men more attractive:

quote:

There are many biological and genetic differences between the races. However, such race differences usually exist in equal measure for both men and women. For example, because they have existed much longer in human evolutionary history, Africans have more mutations in their genomes than other races. And the mutation loads significantly decrease physical attractiveness (because physical attractiveness is a measure of genetic and developmental health). But since both black women and black men have higher mutation loads, it cannot explain why only black women are less physically attractive, while black men are, if anything, more attractive.

The only thing I can think of that might potentially explain the lower average level of physical attractiveness among black women is testosterone. Africans on average have higher levels of testosterone than other races, and testosterone, being an androgen (male hormone), affects the physical attractiveness of men and women differently. Men with higher levels of testosterone have more masculine features and are therefore more physically attractive. In contrast, women with higher levels of testosterone also have more masculine features and are therefore less physically attractive. The race differences in the level of testosterone can therefore potentially explain why black women are less physically attractive than women of other races, while (net of intelligence) black men are more physically attractive than men of other races.

Read the whole thing for yourself on, and this is not shocking to me at all, a human biological diversity blog (since Psychology Today took the article down): http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity...015,%202011.pdf

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I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Does he say what race has the hottest babes, scientifically speaking? I think it's whatever race Brazilians are.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 08:31

Dr Pepper: Feb 4, 2012; Don't like it? well...

FourLeaf posted:

I dug up the article, and I was slightly off. It came out in 2011 so I misremembered a bit. He says that more genetic mutations in Africans could account for black women being uglier, since more mutations automatically equal decreased physical attractiveness. But since black men are more attractive than men of other races, that can't be it. So what's the reason? His conclusion: Testosterone makes black women less attractive and black men more attractive:

Amazing. It's somehow ever stupider.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 08:57

ArchangeI: Jul 15, 2010

"Physical attractiveness is a measure of genetic health" and the comparatively inbred European women are somehow more attractive? :psyduck:

And that's besides the fact that ideas of physical attractiveness differ from culture to culture and time period to time period. It make absolutely zero sense. I actually think it makes negative sense.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 09:02

Strudel Man: May 19, 2003; ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

ArchangeI posted:

"Physical attractiveness is a measure of genetic health" and the comparatively inbred European women are somehow more attractive?

And that's besides the fact that ideas of physical attractiveness differ from culture to culture and time period to time period. It make absolutely zero sense. I actually think it makes negative sense.

There are certain standards (symmetry first and foremost) which seem to be quite reliably connected to physical attractiveness. But his entire line of thought about Africans having a heavier mutation load (?is he assuming mutation is degeneration from some un-mutated, Edenic ideal?) by virtue of being around longer (did people on the other continents spring fully-formed into existence at some late date, as opposed to diverging from and therefore having the same genetic history as the Africans?)...well, it's hogwash. Disconcerting that it was even published.

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Samovar: Jun 4, 2011; I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻

Merdifex posted:

"crocodile humor"

...Is this supposed to be of the same root as crocodile tears? What, is sarcasm too hard a term for them to understand?

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FourLeaf: Dec 2, 2011

Strudel Man posted:

Disconcerting that it was even published.

Yeah, the fact that this article could get approved at all is one of the reasons I consider Psychology Today to be a poo poo magazine on about the same tier as TIME.

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divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I think dril is also supposed to be a SJW plant.

I laughed out loud really loudly at that one and there was way too much context to explain why to the loved one in under six paragraphs. I hate it when that happens.

Please post links to any of these amazing and wonderful theories, I want to troll Tumblr with them.

neonnoodle posted:

Holy crap, I had no idea what LF was but I did end up following a bunch of hilarious lowercase-marxist-shitpost Tumblr accounts via following some of the artists I know from CC. I always wondered who the heck those guys were because they were hilarious.

Any other favourites? This sounds fun.

I find the idea they started Tumblr SJWs really not credible though, particularly given Tumblr NRx and post-LW promptly started behaving the same. It's a combination of teenagers and the medium. Every medium quickly reaches its natural mode of shitposting.

Jack Gladney posted:

by the time he suggests that the evolutionary pressures of Russian pogroms caused European Jews to develop genes for covetousness and bookkeeping.

Desperately in need of a cited quote (without pirating the book and reading it).

# ? Sep 14, 2015 10:02

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Samovar posted:

...Is this supposed to be of the same root as crocodile tears? What, is sarcasm too hard a term for them to understand?

Apparently it's humor along the lines of the Soviet humor magazine Krokodil(not to be confused with the drug)

In practice it mainly just means "mocking Dark Enlightenment people instead of treating everything they say with utter po-faced seriousness"

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Political Whores: Feb 13, 2012

The reason I asked about E.O. Wilson, btw, is because I do remember that in Concilience he dedicates a small part of it to "sociobiology", which he was very influential in creating as a field. His idea is that human culture and what we call human "nature" must arise at least partially from genetics, but in the book he's focused much more on things like facial expressions being shared across cultures, or social gregarity and cooperation, or Pinker's stuff about learning a spoken language being in built. Things we take for granted as ways people work, but would seem to have a basis in some common heritage of the species. Which always seemed to me like really the only place evopsych might be able to actually function as a discipline. But he also makes some pretty culturally imperialist statements in the sense that he sort of chides anthropology for demanding that cultures not be ranked according to fitness, which I found messed up even when I read it years ago. My thinking now is that he's a standard white guy academic pontificating about things outside of his field. He doesn't seem like an advocate of HBD or scientific racism in that sense, more someone who's naive about what some of the things his colleagues are saying really means.

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Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Political Whores posted:

Pinker's stuff about learning a spoken language being in built

:3

Chomsky

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divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

In amazing news, pompous humorless fools invent new sneer words for "someone stepped on my personal toe."

# ? Sep 14, 2015 13:47

sub supau: Aug 28, 2007

Cingulate posted:

:3

Chomsky

I think he means more the "language instinct" than universal grammar.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 13:53

Political Whores: Feb 13, 2012

TetsuoTW posted:

I think he means more the "language instinct" than universal grammar.

Yeah that's what I was referencing.

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Hate Fibration: Apr 8, 2013; FLÃSHYN!

Jack Gladney posted:

Just like easy jungle living made African savages lazy and prone to demanding welfare from those hard-working honest white Americans!

I love this because living in the jungle is actually horrible and very difficult. It is rife with disease, parasites, predators, and many more delightful things.

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Terrible Opinions: Oct 18, 2013

Heresiarch posted:

I want to ask if Wade at any point addresses the fact that there's more genetic diversity within sub-Saharan Africa than there is outside it, but I think I already know the answer.

There's a greater genetic distance between the Bantu and Khoisan people than there is between any two "Caucasian" groups you can pick (like for example, East Indians and Germans), but I've never seen a single work of scientific racism even acknowledge that there exists distinct populations like that in Africa.

I know some of them claim that Neanderthal genes make white superior, and that any bottle-necking is just proof that the genes are more successful.

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Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

Hate Fibration posted:

I love this because living in the jungle is actually horrible and very difficult. It is rife with disease, parasites, predators, and many more delightful things.

The soil is also dreadful and most cultures have to constantly move and burn new sections of jungle to grow anything in it. The Mayans actually had some genius method of turning red jungle soil into fertile black soil, allowing them to have massive permanent agriculture in the Yucatan.

Europeans conquered them and destroyed knowledge of how they did it. :negative:

Political Whores posted:

The reason I asked about E.O. Wilson, btw, is because I do remember that in Concilience he dedicates a small part of it to "sociobiology", which he was very influential in creating as a field. His idea is that human culture and what we call human "nature" must arise at least partially from genetics, but in the book he's focused much more on things like facial expressions being shared across cultures, or social gregarity and cooperation, or Pinker's stuff about learning a spoken language being in built. Things we take for granted as ways people work, but would seem to have a basis in some common heritage of the species. Which always seemed to me like really the only place evopsych might be able to actually function as a discipline. But he also makes some pretty culturally imperialist statements in the sense that he sort of chides anthropology for demanding that cultures not be ranked according to fitness, which I found messed up even when I read it years ago. My thinking now is that he's a standard white guy academic pontificating about things outside of his field. He doesn't seem like an advocate of HBD or scientific racism in that sense, more someone who's naive about what some of the things his colleagues are saying really means.

Sociobiology is the predecessor to evolutionary psychology, so his entire field is discredited.

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Terrible Opinions: Oct 18, 2013

FourLeaf posted:

black men are more attractive than men of other races,

# ? Sep 14, 2015 15:15

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin: Jul 19, 2000; Oven Wrangler

Terrible Opinions posted:

I know some of them claim that Neanderthal genes make white superior, and that any bottle-necking is just proof that the genes are more successful.

This crosses over into my favourite corner of the alt-right, the internet phrenologists who like to categorize everyone as either Neanderthal (virtuous), Cro-Magnon (sheeple), or Melonhead (invented term for ancient psychopathic reptilian aliens who bioengineered the Cro-Magnons to wipe out the Neanderthals). Also there are sometimes starchildren who have crystal skulls or something, I don't loving know.

http://www.koanicsoul.com/blog/reading-faces-the-eyes-are-the-windows-to-the-soul/
http://www.koanicsoul.com/blog/2012/09/01/paleo-phrenology-and-the-new-face-ism/
http://vault-co.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/melonhead-malta-hypogeum-is-straight.html?showComment=1440383107810#c6501066669534974612

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Could melonheads see in the dark? They had some kind of jack in the back of their skulls where they connected to the mainframe. Enhanced virtual reality simulator? Others have suggested they may have injected drugs directly into their brains.

It is difficult to link to stories about melonhead skulls because the skulls tend to vanish the instant they are brought to the attention of others on the internet. Remember, if you can see a melonhead skull on a Google search, chances are that skull will disappear from the museum where it is kept within 12 months. Draw your own conclusions.

http://www.koanicsoul.com/blog/2013/02/19/jews-melonheads-whites-neanderthals/

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The Jews can�t be in control because they can be named, and are criticized. No name exists for melonheads, and thus they rule. Jews are kicked out of many countries and persecuted, but melons never are.

There were Jews involved in 9/11, Larry Silverstein to name one. But Dick Cheney was perhaps THE central piece, and he�s a melonhead. The melon picture is bigger than the Jews, who are merely a partially overlapping subset. I agree that Hitler was preferable to the winners of WWII, but not that the Nazis were good guys. Mass human movements rarely are.

I would wager that there are melons at the top of the neo-Nazi and pro-racist popular movements, just as they rise to the top everywhere. I am with the Rudolf Hesse�s, the losers of history, not the Hitlers, the winners.

There's some new world order conspiracy poo poo here, naturally.
http://vault-co.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/what-melonheads-want.html

quote:

They want a drastic reduction in world population and the survivors to live meek lives of submission under a world government. No more of this free range animals wandering on grazing lands without central management. All their human livestock will go back into the pens where they have been for untold millennia.

And of course bitcoin is involved.
http://www.koanicsoul.com/blog/2014/03/17/proposal-for-a-micro-state-renaissance/

quote:

Proposal for a Micro-State Renaissance

Property rules. State as a joint-stock corporation.

Members can buy shares according to voted rules, in a fixed price, in physically delivered gold. At the early stages, delivery entails geocaching, with spot checks to enforce trust statistics. Bitcoin et al can help liquidity. Long term storage of gold via geocaching, with locations as cryptographic shared secrets. I assume there is some cryptographic solution whereby corporate rules re majority rule and minority rights can be protected.

Likewise, cryptographic solution for shareholder voting security.

Long term, shares can be bequeathed in wills. Shares can only be held by resident, native-born citizens.

Such a state could theoretically be started at a very small scale, and then grow until it commanded a territory.

This seems like a practical method for fostering a renaissance of territory-less states, corporations beyond law, from which competition presumably the fittest formalist, racialist, neoreactionary, eugenic and Neanderthal states would arise.

etc.

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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin: Jul 19, 2000; Oven Wrangler

Also, that Koanic Soul site examines the intersection between PUA techniques and phrenology and speculates that the Melonheads and Starchildren probably originated on Nibiru. Of course. Money quote:

quote:

Roosh can make lots of approaches because he�s narrowspace smalleye. It�s not just a numbers game, there are real skills involved that Roosh does a good job of teaching. But the approaching itself is partially a genetic ability.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 15:54

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

The Dark Enlightenment took that guy really seriously for a while, and it was great.

You can even see mentions of it in that takedown of SA posted earlier.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 16:15

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

The Dark Enlightenment took that guy really seriously for a while, and it was great.

You can even see mentions of it in that takedown of SA posted earlier.

poo poo, I skimmed it without even realizing it was that "melopepocephalic" thing from ages ago.

quote:

In the fashionable neo-theosophical language of the Orthosphere, I am a Thal [purestrain TT, amud-type] and everyone in this story has melopepocephalic ancestry or tendencies.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 16:26

Political Whores: Feb 13, 2012

Woolie Wool posted:

Sociobiology is the predecessor to evolutionary psychology, so his entire field is discredited.

E.O. Wilson is a biologist specialising in insects (especially ants) and is pretty well respected in that area and in biodiversity reaearch/ecosystem conservation. "Sociobiology" was a side thing he did, part of his broader goal of trying to unify the humanities with the hard sciences. Like said, my problem with this stuff is i don't think it's entirely without merit. Humans definitely have some genetic basis for our behavior. One of the things the Wilson wrote we should enquire into as a subject is what exactly is the reason humans tell stories and make art. Why does every society in earth do these? Why does every society have rituals? What was the evolutionary reason we started doing it? Did it contribute to our developing intelligence? They just discovered a ritual grave in South Africa from a proto-human ape species dating back at least 2 million years. So it's something we developed before we evolved into modern humans. That's amazing when you think about it, and is worth enquiring into.

Instead it's always "hey let's prove 19th century race and gender stereotypes are real"

# ? Sep 14, 2015 16:32

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

The Dark Enlightenment took that guy really seriously for a while, and it was great.
You can even see mentions of it in that takedown of SA posted earlier.

oh god Koanic Soul. That's awesome.

The Racialism article on RW is getting a much-needed major rework at present. But Koanic Soul is nuts enough to warrant its own.

edit: we had a NRx/alt-right/MPC troll for a while, posting links. He liked them too.

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The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Koanic proves that you only have to be marginally less nonsensical than Time Cube Guy to convince people.

# ? Sep 14, 2015 22:09

Merdifex: May 13, 2015; by Shine

https://twitter.com/graaaaaagh/status/643573513920446465
https://twitter.com/graaaaaagh/status/643574394900508676

:lol:

# ? Sep 15, 2015 01:55

Heresiarch: Oct 6, 2005; Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

Is this somebody we ought to recognize or is he just a particularly obnoxious example from the Racist Twitter Abyss?

# ? Sep 15, 2015 02:16

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Merdifex posted:

https://twitter.com/graaaaaagh/status/643573513920446465
https://twitter.com/graaaaaagh/status/643574394900508676

That's another space in fascist bingo.

# ? Sep 15, 2015 02:27

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

It's very disappointing to see Bert go down this route, especially after what a good example his co-workers on Sesame Street have set.

Well except for Elmo I guess.

# ? Sep 15, 2015 02:28

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

I just got this horrible image of Bert sitting in front of the tv with his dinner on a tray, yelling about how the news always features the blacks and the gays but never regular people unless they do something bad, Ernie standing to the side and meekly suggesting they go for a walk because it's such a nice night. But Bert is just getting going. He needs his hate.

# ? Sep 15, 2015 02:34

BornAPoorBlkChild: Sep 24, 2012

Heresiarch posted:

Is this somebody we ought to recognize or is he just a particularly obnoxious example from the Racist Twitter Abyss?

can it be both? :v:

# ? Sep 15, 2015 04:47

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Political Whores posted:

Yeah that's what I was referencing.

Pinker would be the last person to claim he came up with the basic idea. He'd gladly credit Chomsky. (Language Instinct is just Pinker's specific take on Universal Grammar.)

Also, Pinker should pretty much be a neoreactionary god. I don't know if these people are reading him, but he should be right up their alley.

# ? Sep 15, 2015 11:03

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Political Whores posted:

Instead it's always "hey let's prove 19th century race and gender stereotypes are real"

This is the strange thing about "human biodiversity" and all that crap. It's completely two-sided; on one hand, the people trying to prove our current set of stereotypes is actually true, on the other hand the people trying to prove there are no differences whatsoever. Everywhere else in the sciences, people are trying to come up with new surprising things. Just not here.

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divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

Cingulate posted:

Also, Pinker should pretty much be a neoreactionary god. I don't know if these people are reading him, but he should be right up their alley.

He pissed them off by documenting in detail how these are actually the best times ever, rather than the final days of civilisation. They hate him since then.

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