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chitoryu12 posted:"The only difference between a bomb and an alarm clock is a bomb." I dunno, your smoke detector is radioactive. Was your house ever lived in my a Moslem?
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Lemming posted:What defense do the "well he should've known his rights!" people have when we're talking about a minor the police cuffed and took from school without telling his parents? In high-impact situations like this, while unfortunate, an officer involved questioning may occur to protect you and your loved ones. Given that you've never jacked up a fourteen year-old on some bullshit charges you really have no right to judge and or comment.
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Sep 16, 2015 21:55
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Ravenfood posted:Regardless of any other factors (like how loving stupid the cops were here) interrogating a kid without parents or counsel present is just unacceptable. Under any circumstances. NO TIME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9DijlVkIGA&t=14s Dexo fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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Sep 16, 2015 21:56
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I was in a somewhat similar situation in high school, albeit without any physical evidence to help get me suspended. I was sitting at an unfamiliar lunch table and someone mentioned I think a guy going nuts over relationship drama or some poo poo (barely even remember now) and I jokingly said "So I guess we can find him by just following the sounds of explosions in the distance?" Apparently someone heard nothing but "explosion" and decided to report me as having made a bomb threat. I didn't have a goddamn clue what was going on until I was seated in front of an administrator. I just suddenly got called out of class and had my backpack, locker, and body searched by the resource officer. I tried to explain the misunderstanding, but the guy barely gave two shits about whether or not I was telling the truth. The only thing that likely stopped me from getting some kind of punishment (apart from being an unthreatening white kid with no contraband, rather than a Muslim with electronics) was when he called my mom to explain that I was in trouble and omitted my explanation of what happened in favor of just reading the claims of what I said verbatim. When she found out that he wasn't telling my side of the story, she gave him an earful and threatened to come down to confront him personally. That got him to back off enough to just send me to class.
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Sep 16, 2015 21:58
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Toasticle posted:None of these guards noticed shocking her was not having the desired effect of somehow making a mentally ill person compliant so they just keep shocking her, you don't think maybe they should have thought "Maybe shocking her isn't helping?". When you're of below average IQ and all you have is a hammer...
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Sep 16, 2015 22:01
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Jarmak posted:This is a really stupid argument for everyone involved considering the only difference between a bomb and a homemade alarm clock is the addition of the explosive. Look I think its time that we all come together as Americans and discuss clock control, the spread of clocks throughout the country is simply far too high. Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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Sep 16, 2015 22:14
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Look I think its time that we all come together as Americans and discuss clock control, the spread of clocks throughout the country is simply far too high. Arabic Numerals have corrupted our youth.
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Sep 16, 2015 22:17
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Billy Gnosis posted:Arabic Numerals have corrupted our youth. You either have roman numerals on your clock or you're against us.
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Sep 16, 2015 22:21
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Y'all are loving dumb, the point is both sides of the "do these wires look like a clock or a bomb" are stupid cause either would be the same. Also the "it's too small", cause it's really not. There was no charge, that's why it's not a bomb, that's why it doesn't look like a bomb.
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Sep 16, 2015 22:23
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Jarmak posted:This is a really stupid argument for everyone involved considering the only difference between a bomb and a homemade alarm clock is the addition of the explosive. Is this loving guy for real? Seriously?
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Sep 16, 2015 22:24
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Jarmak posted:Y'all are loving dumb, the point is both sides of the "do these wires look like a clock or a bomb" are stupid cause either would be the same. Also the "it's too small", cause it's really not. So we agree that no reasonable person would think that is a bomb? Because you sure sounded like Helen Lovejoy.
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Sep 16, 2015 22:25
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The one ray of sunshine is that, almost universally, the 14 year old is being lauded by the developed portion of the USA, with invites from NASA, MIT, the President, etc. His school and the police are the butt of the jokes, and hopefully the opportunities that he gets out of this make up for the hassle in his hometown.
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Sep 16, 2015 22:28
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Look! It's a  off from some imgur post: http://imgur.com/gallery/bXnhXpK edit: note how those pieces correspond with the stuff Ahmed used to make his Agrajag fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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Sep 16, 2015 22:30
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I can imagine Jamark taking the cover off a smoke detector in his house and seeing the wires and blinking light inside. "OH MY GOD, SOMEONE PLANTED A BOMB ON MY WALL!" he screams as he falls off the ladder. He would later justify his injuries to his wife as "Look, the only difference between that thing and a bomb is the addition of explosives."
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Sep 16, 2015 22:32
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It's become quite clear that efforts to "reform" police departments are futile, because it's impossible to uphold and protect the "order" of a racist system without inflicting racist violence on people. Body cameras have not led to a decrease in use of deadly force (San Diego actually saw an increase), "community dialog" has accomplished nothing, and the only thing left is to disarm and disband the police force. If you've got a problem with that you're probably a middle-class white person who is a complicit beneficiary of violent white supremacy, more concerned with protecting your property from ~*CRIME*~ (at record lows) and not having to suffer the sight of homeless people in your city than you are with protecting human life.
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Sep 16, 2015 22:32
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Jarmak posted:Y'all are loving dumb, the point is both sides of the "do these wires look like a clock or a bomb" are stupid cause either would be the same. Also the "it's too small", cause it's really not. the weird thing is he was arrested and interrogated for the crime of bringing something that someone else could mistake for a bomb, even though nobody who saw it ever interpreted it as a bomb. there was just the possibility that someone, somewhere, might think it was dangerous. given how cops often shoot people for holding cell phones in a threatening manner i can interpret this as progress
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Sep 16, 2015 23:15
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The kid is just a proxy for the real mastermind: Flava Flav.
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Sep 16, 2015 23:31
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Jarmak posted:This is a really stupid argument for everyone involved considering the only difference between a bomb and a homemade alarm clock is the addition of the explosive. This is a technically correct statement that you worded really poorly. I agree with you in principle though, it's the explosive that makes something look like an explosive device, rather than just a device. Control Volume fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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Sep 16, 2015 23:33
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Since in America it's normal to plaster a child's full name complete with pictures of him handcuffed on the front pages when reporting suspected crime, this kid, no matter what he did, is going to be branded a terrorist by other kids. Now not even a school transfer is going to change that - which, by the way, he's doing. Though chances are that he was already being called a terrorist because his last name is Mohamed and he is of middle-eastern descent. I just hope Ahmed won't end up like that other kid who got handcuffed in school for drugs I think it was (?) who later killed himself pretty much because of the humiliating arrest in front of the school cafetaria.
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Sep 16, 2015 23:35
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On the flip side if he survives high school he'll be able to convert this into one hell of a scholarship. Silver linings and all that.
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Sep 16, 2015 23:36
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Luckily at least short term like everyone is telling him to keep going. He got an invite to Facebook and the White House off of those racists.
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Sep 16, 2015 23:37
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Trogdos! posted:Since in America it's normal to plaster a child's full name complete with pictures of him handcuffed on the front pages when reporting suspected crime, this kid, no matter what he did, is going to be branded a terrorist by other kids. Now not even a school transfer is going to change that - which, by the way, he's doing. Though chances are that he was already being called a terrorist because his last name is Mohamed and he is of middle-eastern descent. It was his family which gave his name and the photo in handcuffs. I believe his sister was the one who first tweeted the nasa photo. And no, they used to power of social media properly, and with the exception of a few assholes who would jave judged him for being brown with an islamic name, the response to him is going to be "wow, I can't believe what they did to you."
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https://mobile.twitter.com/cmdr_hadfield/status/644177398553030656
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Bob James posted:The kid is just a proxy for the real mastermind: Flava Flav. First good post in this thread.
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nm posted:It was his family which gave his name and the photo in handcuffs. I believe his sister was the one who first tweeted the nasa photo. Fine. But I maintain that in America it's normal to give out full names of arrested suspects before trial, while to my knowledge in Europe that happens only in high-profile cases and the norm is to publish the name only after sentencing, and not at all if the sentenced is a juvenile. I think it's hosed up how the press can ruin a person's life, good luck finding a job if googling your name brings up criminal charges even if they were dropped.
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Trogdos! posted:Fine. But I maintain that in America it's normal to give out full names of arrested suspects before trial, while to my knowledge in Europe that happens only in high-profile cases and the norm is to publish the name only after sentencing, and not at all if the sentenced is a juvenile. I think it's hosed up how the press can ruin a person's life, good luck finding a job if googling your name brings up criminal charges even if they were dropped. Good luck to any future employers in their quest to google "Ahmed Mohamed" and find anything relevant. Kid might as well be named John Smith.
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Everblight posted:Good luck to any future employers in their quest to google "Ahmed Mohamed" and find anything relevant. Kid might as well be named John Smith. Maybe this would happen if the incident didn't suddenly become a national sensation to the point where the President of the United States himself didn't comment on it.
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Trogdos! posted:Fine. But I maintain that in America it's normal to give out full names of arrested suspects before trial, while to my knowledge in Europe that happens only in high-profile cases and the norm is to publish the name only after sentencing, and not at all if the sentenced is a juvenile. I think it's hosed up how the press can ruin a person's life, good luck finding a job if googling your name brings up criminal charges even if they were dropped. It is common place for American police to disclose the names of adult suspects. They are not shielded by juvenile justice laws. It is not particularly common for them to list the names of juveniles, unless it's some sort major felony like murder and will be tried as an adult.
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https://twitter.com/GeorgiaTech/status/644225797302169601 Think he's gonna be alright.
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Trogdos! posted:Fine. But I maintain that in America it's normal to give out full names of arrested suspects before trial, while to my knowledge in Europe that happens only in high-profile cases and the norm is to publish the name only after sentencing, and not at all if the sentenced is a juvenile. I think it's hosed up how the press can ruin a person's life, good luck finding a job if googling your name brings up criminal charges even if they were dropped. I agree, but this is not the case to hang your hat on as he and his family clearly wanted his name out there. "Bad poo poo happens to muslim boy with 'bomb'" wouldn't have resulted in any traction. He'd be suspended and still have a charge hanging over his head. "Bad poo poo happened to ahmed and here's all the cool poo poo he does and a picture" is hard to ignore.
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Agrajag posted:Look! It's a freetronics, as in free from the corrupting influence of infidels. loving reported you jihadist scum Jarmak posted:This is a really stupid argument for everyone involved considering the only difference between a bomb and a homemade alarm clock is the addition of the explosive. wires + explosive material = bomb! detonator? why the gently caress would i need that? 
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Sep 17, 2015 00:27
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Condiv posted:wires + explosive material = bomb! detonator? why the gently caress would i need that? My dick could be considered a bomb if it was attached to the necessary parts.
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Sep 17, 2015 00:28
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It helps that he's a beanpole with glasses and a NASA shirt, aka the platonic ideal of a young geeky kid. If he had a terrible dirtstache and a semi offensive tshirt he'd be hung out to dry.
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It's okay to think its a bomb. There are people who only know what bombs look like based on Bruce Willis movies. It is ok to take precautions. It is not ok to handcuff a nonviolent 14 year old, nor is it ok to suspend a kid for what amounts to a science project. This is called middle ground, and it shouldn't be that hard to reach amongst both sides of this argument. I am not going to say this whole thing was due to his race on a conscious level, but it would be silly to say it didn't impact the events in some way.
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Ahmed's family definitely did a good job of preventing the school officials/police department from framing the narrative, by getting his story out there first.
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7c Nickel posted:It helps that he's a beanpole with glasses and a NASA shirt, aka the platonic ideal of a young geeky kid. If he had a terrible dirtstache and a semi offensive tshirt he'd be hung out to dry. a shirt from the national arabic serial-killing association? no wonder they knew he was a threat!
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Cole posted:It's okay to think its a bomb. There are people who only know what bombs look like based on Bruce Willis movies. It is ok to take precautions. They didn't think it was. The school was not evacuated, so they knew it was harmless, but wanted to bust his balls.
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Spun Dog posted:They didn't think it was. The school was not evacuated, so they knew it was harmless, but wanted to bust his balls. Which, I agree, doesn't make much sense. But luckily this whole thing probably will backfire on islamophobists. This kid will probably be doing pretty well in life after all of this exposure. At least for the immediate future.
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Toasticle posted:Somehow people other than the prison guards from the cop who initially arrested her to her being sent to a hospital then to jail were all able to move her without incident. Her initial arrest: quote:Officer Hurley determined that she had probable cause to take custody of Ms. McKenna for purposes of a Mental Health Evaluation. A short while later Officer Hurley located Ms. McKenna as she walked near a Home Depot store. Officer Hurley stopped Ms. McKenna who stated that "they were trying to kill her." Officer Hurley explained that she was concerned about Ms. McKenna's welfare. By this time Officer Johnson was also present. Ms. McKenna asked if she was going to be arrested and began to walk away. Officer Hurley took Ms. McKenna's left arm and told her she was not free to leave. Officer Johnson had hold of Ms. McKenna's right arm. Ms. McKenna began to fight with the officers. Officer Johnson attempted an arm bar on Ms. McKenna and employed closed fist strikes to the back of Ms. McKenna's thigh in an effort to have Ms. McKenna sit down. Despite Officer Hurley's request that she stop resisting, Ms. McKenna continued to fight. Officer Johnson deployed OC (pepper spray) but it had no effect on Ms. McKenna. Ms. McKenna then punched Officer Johnson in the face and spun away coming out of her shirt in the process. She then ran out into traffic while naked from the waist up. At the hospital: quote:When they arrived at the emergency room Ms. McKenna was still trying to bite through the spit sock. She pushed her entire upper torso off of the stretcher and to the side. She continued to struggle and push herself off of the stretcher by wriggling under the straps. There are further records of her being combative with the jail staff after she was arrested, and having to again be forcibly restrained from hurting herself or others, but I think you get the picture: her entire interaction with the police and medical professionals was one long "incident." Toasticle posted:They weren't. They kept a schizophrenic alone in a cell for 8(?) days and when they did show up they did so in a way a that fulfills a schizophrenics nightmare of 'them' coming for her. And let me know how not moving her that instant would bring the "Entire detention system" to a halt because she was there for 8.5 days. I'm going to go out on a limb and say someone along the line would be willing to wait for a mentally ill patient to be seen by a doctor or nurse because they were in the middle of an episode. Toasticle posted:Of course you'd pick aviation. Yes if a pilot does everything correctly but a mechanical failure causes a crash of course its a valid excuse but even in that situation you'd expect a pilot to at least try to get things under control and not just "Well everything seems to be going wrong but I'll just keep following orders". Lemming posted:In the report you yourself just linked, which you clearly didn't very much of, there was this quote:  at you of all people trying to call someone out for not reading. There's a reason it says "associated with" rather than "caused by," and that the "Manner of Death" is listed as "Accident" rather than "Homicide." The sheriffs didn't kill her.The passage directly above that is: "The decedent was in a state of profound agitation/psychosis during the extraction and the use of physical restraint with or without CED use is associated with sudden death. Excited delirium occurs in the setting of stimulant drug abuse, psychiatric disease, psychiatric drug withdrawal and metabolic disorders and is characterized by psychosis and agitation and is often associated with combativeness and elevated body temperature. (Emphasis added)" Way to completely ignore context. (Also, holy poo poo, the pathologist's name is "Jocelyn Posthumus." Can't make this stuff up.)
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Jarmak posted:Y'all are loving dumb, the point is both sides of the "do these wires look like a clock or a bomb" are stupid cause either would be the same. Also the "it's too small", cause it's really not. Why it's almost as if a critical aspect of a bomb is that it can explode, making your distinction stupidly obvious and in no need of being said 
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