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Bryter posted:It's a traditional "powerful country projecting force to further its interests" thing. It's just a softer form of imperialism that goes way back. It wasn't until Reagan got into power that neoconservatism became an actual powerful force, and the terrifying thing about it is they actually believe their own bullshit.
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So...noted poo poo-at-polling pollsters Gravis conducted a poll that was apparently done in the middle of the night last night after the debate. With the caveat that Gravis sucks and having a post-debate poll out 12 hours after the debate is insane... Fiorina 22 Trump 22 Rubio 15 Carson 12 Bush 6 Cruz 6 Christie 4 Kasich 4 Walker 3 Huckabee 2 Paul 2 Santorum 1 Other 0
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Montasque posted:Carly is going to be hyped up yooge in the next week or so. Laid off thousands while shipping jobs overseas.  Bryter posted:More astounding is the fact that neither of the two (TWO!) doctors on stage properly corrected him, though Carson did half-heartedly try. Rand is an anti-vaxxer so he's not going to correct the lie. FlamingLiberal posted:It's probably the same phenomenon that shows in polls that 20ish % of people think Obama was President when the market crashed. More Republicans blame Obama than Bush for the Katrina (lack of) response.
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Sep 17, 2015 19:27
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JT Jag posted:I mean, the very basic concept that democracy is the best system of government available to us and it'd be good if more countries practiced it... isn't a bad one. In fact, it's a bedrock liberal ideology. Liberals just tend to prefer spreading Democracy using soft power: trade, negotiation, media and only resorting to force as part of a coalition.
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Patter Song posted:So...noted poo poo-at-polling pollsters Gravis conducted a poll that was apparently done in the middle of the night last night after the debate. Lol
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Sep 17, 2015 19:30
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Abner Cadaver II posted:has the sixth fleet been shrunk by budget cuts to any degree or was that totally out of left field? Fleets are smaller now simply due to ships being more powerful and able to do more things. Also we don't really need battleships anymore as they'd just be floating targets.
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Sep 17, 2015 19:34
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This is the ad that killed Carly Fiorina's Senate run in 2010: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2lDIHyqo7Q Still relevant.
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Sep 17, 2015 19:36
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FizFashizzle posted:Fleets are smaller now simply due to ships being more powerful and able to do more things. Also we don't really need battleships anymore as they'd just be floating targets.
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Sep 17, 2015 19:37
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Will Trump now go full Trump on Fiorina now?
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Sep 17, 2015 19:40
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So now Fiorina is the one that's going to unseat Trump. We're not going to see any serious challenges to Trump's position until an actual election.
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Sep 17, 2015 19:40
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A Fiorina-Clinton general would be loving incredible. Fiorina would make a horrendous president but she's lose since half the GOP would straight up revolt. E: I mean imagine the MRA tears.
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Sep 17, 2015 19:47
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Rocks posted:Will Trump now go full Trump on Fiorina now?
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Sep 17, 2015 19:48
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If we don't build a bunch of useless naval vehicles, what can we trade to the British for a bunch of new naval bases?
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Patter Song posted:So...noted poo poo-at-polling pollsters Gravis conducted a poll that was apparently done in the middle of the night last night after the debate. Santorum?
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JT Jag posted:She is legitimately hosed if he does. He's basically been bullshitting all election, but when he takes her down he actually knows what he's talking about. I hope he's keeping HP's post-Fiorina stock jump in his pocket. I can't imagine him not wanting to drop "well that's funny because the free market seemed to think you were worth negative three billion dollars to HP" on her at some point.
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Most of the small Navy angst comes from the Marines pining for stupid poo poo that doesn't work and will literally never be put to use while the Navy Admirals just roll their eyes and try to ignore them.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Santorum? Yeah, he's above "other" so he gets mentioned even though he was at the fisher-price debate.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I mean, poo poo, Romney was haunted by "self deport" all the way to the end. And that seems positively progressive compared to most of their stances on immigration. It really does seem like to me that any potential GOP general candidate has already damaged themselves tremendously more than they did in the 2012 GOP primaries. Seems like every single GOP candidate is on record saying some pretty extreme stuff this year. Rubio is the only one that hasn't really stuck out to me as saying too many stupid extreme things though.
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JT Jag posted:She is legitimately hosed if he does. He's basically been bullshitting all election, but when he takes her down he actually knows what he's talking about. We saw a snippet when Trump destroyed her tenure as CEO.
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Sep 17, 2015 20:01
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After some light googling looks like Carly wants to commission another 100 navy ships, increasing the size of the active Navy by about 45%
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Mitt Romney posted:It really does seem like to me that any potential GOP general candidate has already damaged themselves tremendously more than they did in the 2012 GOP primaries. Seems like every single GOP candidate is on record saying some pretty extreme stuff this year.
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lamentable dustman posted:After some light googling looks like Carly wants to commission another 100 navy ships, increasing the size of the active Navy by about 45% fiscal conservatism at its finest
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Sep 17, 2015 20:12
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FizFashizzle posted:Most of the small Navy angst comes from the Marines pining for stupid poo poo that doesn't work and will literally never be put to use while the Navy Admirals just roll their eyes and try to ignore them. I found a song that perfectly encapsulates Fiorina's foreign/military policy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM_-xPayYAI
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Sep 17, 2015 20:14
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The success of authoritarian capitalist regimes means imho that the important of democracy in liberal thought will wane.
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Sep 17, 2015 20:15
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euphronius posted:The success of authoritarian capitalist regimes means imho that the important of democracy in liberal thought will wane. Democratic socialism is the clear alternative.
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Sep 17, 2015 20:18
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Just for example in all of the Fp statements made last night in the debate I don't think anyone mentioned spreading democracy as a valid state goal.
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Sep 17, 2015 20:20
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JT Jag posted:I've said it for a while, Rubio's the most electable person in this Republican field, and not just because he's Hispanic. Agreed, and this is what scares me, because policy-wise he's still monstruous
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Sep 17, 2015 20:21
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euphronius posted:The success of authoritarian capitalist regimes means imho that the important of democracy in liberal thought will wane. Also part of the problem with neoconservatism is that it turned this into a partisan question. If George W. Bush wants to get rid of Saddam, the Democratic alternative must be to treat Saddam as a legitimate ruler.
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Rubio has no charisma at all.
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Rubio is also pro-life to the point of insanity - no abortions, ever.
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euphronius posted:Rubio has no charisma at all. Neither did Romney
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Montasque posted:Rubio is also pro-life to the point of insanity - no abortions, ever. by now isn't that a huge liability in the general? if the GOP nominee is that hardline anti-abortion it doesn't seem like backpedaling after securing the nomination would do much for appealing to women in the general
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euphronius posted:Rubio has no charisma at all. He'd make a handsome gay husband
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Abner Cadaver II posted:by now isn't that a huge liability in the general? if the GOP nominee is that hardline anti-abortion it doesn't seem like backpedaling after securing the nomination would do much for appealing to women in the general yeah, I can see ads that just repeat quote:Kelly sought clarity: “You don’t favor a rape and incest exception?”
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midnightclimax posted:He'd make a handsome gay husband implying his wife isn't a beard 
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It's really hilariously transparent how desperate the Republican establishment is to channel the 'gently caress politics' energy into a semi-respectable candidate like Fiorina instead of Trump. Roger Ailes or whoever arbitrarily decided she won the kiddie table debate last time just to get her on stage for this one so we could be graced with countless thinkpieces and hot takes about how one-time failed Senate candidate and terrible CEO Carly Fiorina is the REAL outsider.
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Xenophon posted:Agreed, and this is what scares me, because policy-wise he's still monstruous Put him in the spotlight and he'll fold like a cheap suit. He hasn't had any attention because TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP, so when the Trump circus leaves town, one candidate will crawl out of the wreckage. If it's Rubio, he won't last.
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euphronius posted:Rubio has no charisma at all.
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