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Sir Tonk posted:Libertarians are such babies. They whine all day about how evil the government is, but as soon as they're slighted they run to the government for help. Libertarianism. A simple-minded right-wing ideology ideally suited to those unable or unwilling to see past their own sociopathic self-regard. - Iain M. Banks. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:IIRC the only thing that's light-years better than everyone else is our carriers, and that's mostly because we have more than basically everyone else combined. FRAM III 
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Sep 18, 2015 21:12
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Matt "guy in a question mark covered suit yelling about 'the government is giving away free money'" Lesko is at the White House today
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Sep 18, 2015 21:15
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Sep 18, 2015 21:20
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A Winner is Jew posted:IIRC the only thing that's light-years better than everyone else is our carriers, and that's mostly because we have more than basically everyone else combined. Trabisnikof posted:Edit: lets make a compromise, Republicans can block PP funding and Democrats can block an equal $ amount of Defense spending, sound fair?
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Sep 18, 2015 21:21
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Luigi Thirty posted:Why? No answer, I'm just seeing pictures of him in his suit next to an exasperated looking Josh Ernst with reporters remarking he is there and asking why
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Sep 18, 2015 21:23
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Reminder: Bernie is on Colbert tonight at 11:30 eastern
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Sep 18, 2015 21:23
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Fried Chicken posted:That is just a function of your enlisted cleaning and replacing your zinc blocks as required. We sure as poo poo didn't, they were actually painted over in our bilge making them completely useless. How the...  Don't sea ghosts rise up and eat any sailor dumb enough to do that?
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Sep 18, 2015 21:24
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Fried Chicken posted:No answer, I'm just seeing pictures of him in his suit next to an exasperated looking Josh Ernst with reporters remarking he is there and asking why He's obviously there for the free money he keeps yelling about on late night TV.
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Sep 18, 2015 21:26
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DemeaninDemon posted:So do Christians. Want this to actually happen--Obama flops out his dong LBJ-style, rolls it in ink, then just cock-slaps the bill over and over.
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Sep 18, 2015 21:27
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Zeroisanumber posted:How the... If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, paint it. 
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Sep 18, 2015 21:27
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Fried Chicken posted:That is just a function of your enlisted cleaning and replacing your zinc blocks as required. We sure as poo poo didn't, they were actually painted over in our bilge making them completely useless I was more referring to the LCS not even being engineered to have galvanic corrosion protection until they were already built and being water tested. 
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Sep 18, 2015 21:28
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President Obama just nominated Eric Fanning to be Secretary of the Army This is notable because serving in the army was only opened to homosexuals in 2011, and Mr Fanning is an openly gay man. He has been acting undersecretary of the army for a few months and did secretary and undersecretary of the Air Force previously, so he is pretty qualified
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Sep 18, 2015 21:31
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Alter Ego posted:Want this to actually happen--Obama flops out his dong LBJ-style, rolls it in ink, then just cock-slaps the bill over and over. Need the veto stencil so it's official. So the outline of his wang with veto in the middle. 
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Sep 18, 2015 21:31
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Fried Chicken posted:President Obama just nominated Eric Fanning to be Secretary of the Army Trollbama strikes again
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Sep 18, 2015 21:34
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Fried Chicken posted:President Obama just nominated Eric Fanning to be Secretary of the Army Finally, the homonazi takeover of the armed forces is complete
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Sep 18, 2015 21:35
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Fried Chicken posted:that would be a bad deal for a large number of reasons, not the least f which is the DoD would regard losing that much money as a rounding error, not a cut. Yeah, that kind of thing needs progressive frustration to be equitable. 
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Sep 18, 2015 21:43
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Zeroisanumber posted:How the... "See this pallet of paint? I want everything down here a uniform color by the end of the day." "Err....." "ARE YOU QUESTIONING MY AUTHORITY SAILOR?!" *sigh*
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Sep 18, 2015 21:43
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Fried Chicken posted:President Obama just nominated Eric Fanning to be Secretary of the Army The insane rage this is going to cause will be legendary.
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Sep 18, 2015 22:08
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Fried Chicken posted:President Obama just nominated Eric Fanning to be Secretary of the Army  Well loving played. I love how  he's going over the past year or so. Unreal.
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Sep 18, 2015 22:10
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Obama should sign the "Defund Planned Parenthood Act" or a budget that includes it and then issue a signing statement that its clearly an unconstititutional bill of attainder so that provision is not enforceable.  This is the text of the bill: quote:A BILL If the republicans weren't idiots they'd have made it apply to all organizations that provide abortions but republicans don't know how to govern so
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Sep 18, 2015 22:10
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I remember reading something a while back about Republican armed services committees manipulating the Navy budget to limit things like disaster relief, is there any truth to that? Even though the Fiorina stuff is bullshit you can at least use ships for humanitarian aid, anti-piracy and other non-combat roles.
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Sep 18, 2015 22:19
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Zeroisanumber posted:The Navy is in need of quite a bit of recapitalization, but that means developing and deploying new ships, not just adding numbers.  The US navy is the largest and most modern navy in the world. Sure, some ships are getting old, but they are still more advanced than what most countries around the world have. Lets be clear about one thing, there is no branch of the US military that requires new funding or that is weak. With a 600+ billion budget, about as much as the next 7 or 8 countries combined, the US military is doing just fine. Nintendo Kid posted:Is it really though? Like, seriously? It kinda seems like we have more than enough to have 2/3 of it go up in smoke tomorrow and still be able to fight off the world without any new ship designs. What he said.
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Sep 18, 2015 22:20
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Dalael posted:
The funding is horrifically misallocated though. The sequester cuts for example all hit operations stuff because funding for equipment and the like is already set by congress. This means that while we might have shiny equipment people aren't being trained in using it effectively.
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Sep 18, 2015 22:23
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Dalael posted:
The ships are getting old, most of them were launched in the 70's and 80's, and we need to start replacing them with newer ships and new designs. The sub fleet is in the most critical need of regeneration, but everything is going to need to be replaced in the next 20 years or so.
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Sep 18, 2015 22:26
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hobbesmaster posted:The funding is horrifically misallocated though. The sequester cuts for example all hit operations stuff because funding for equipment and the like is already set by congress. This means that while we might have shiny equipment people aren't being trained in using it effectively. This, basically if the GOP had their way the US Navy would be a bunch of empty ship siting in a shipyard and a million M1A1's sitting in a desert.
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Rubio's campaign manager punched a Rand Paul staffer in the face. Police are getting involved and a video of the incident has emerged[/url].quote:Last night I went to a bar on Mackinac Island for the GOP Mackinac Conference. I ran into a guy named Rich Beeson, who frankly I didn't even know who it was at first because he isn't relevant in our political world. Anyway, he is Marco Rubio's national campaign manager. He literally physically assaulted me by punching me in the face. The state police are looking for him. I have it on video, from multiple angles. This will play out in the national media in the next few hours. Also, a congressman that nobody cares about is boycotting Pope Francis's visit to Washington next week and calling his colleagues to do the same. quote:Media reports indicate His Holiness instead intends to focus the brunt of his speech on climate change--a climate that has been changing since first created in Genesis. More troubling is the fact that this climate change talk has adopted all of the socialist talking points, wrapped false science and ideology into “climate justice” and is being presented to guilt people into leftist policies. If the Pope stuck to standard Christian theology, I would be the first in line. If the Pope spoke out with moral authority against violent Islam, I would be there cheering him on. If the Pope urged the Western nations to rescue persecuted Christians in the Middle East, I would back him wholeheartedly. But when the Pope chooses to act and talk like a leftist politician, then he can expect to be treated like one.
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Zeroisanumber posted:The ships are getting old, most of them were launched in the 70's and 80's, and we need to start replacing them with newer ships and new designs. The sub fleet is in the most critical need of regeneration, but everything is going to need to be replaced in the next 20 years or so. It's not like they're all as they were in the 70s and 80s though. They've all been basically continuously upgraded and refitted with newer systems and weapons. Yeah there's only so much you can do with an old hull before you need to start over, but even those "old" ships are quite advanced.
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Sep 18, 2015 22:31
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ReidRansom posted:It's not like they're all as they were in the 70s and 80s though. They've all been basically continuously upgraded and refitted with newer systems and weapons. Yeah there's only so much you can do with an old hull before you need to start over, but even those "old" ships are quite advanced. Yes, but given the lead times on the combination of defense procurement and shipbuilding, you start designing now so you can replace the ships from the 70s and 80s in the 20s and 30s.
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Sep 18, 2015 22:33
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QuoProQuid posted:Also, a congressman that nobody cares about is boycotting Pope Francis's visit to Washington next week and calling his colleagues to do the same. Dude also claims to be a Catholic. So basically, he's a loving dickhead.
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hobbesmaster posted:The funding is horrifically misallocated though. The sequester cuts for example all hit operations stuff because funding for equipment and the like is already set by congress. This means that while we might have shiny equipment people aren't being trained in using it effectively. If people in this country want a functional military they should probably start electing functional governments to fund that military. I think it's a great political hostage
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Kalman posted:Yes, but given the lead times on the combination of defense procurement and shipbuilding, you start designing now so you can replace the ships from the 70s and 80s in the 20s and 30s. yeah we're already doing that. i don't know what fiorina plans to do, build the ford class with more emphasis?
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QuoProQuid posted:Also, a congressman that nobody cares about is boycotting Pope Francis's visit to Washington next week and calling his colleagues to do the same. This country has shifted from left v. right to facts v. fiction and that's why you perceive the Pope as a leftist. Hope his helps, idiot congressperson who will never read this.
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Bob Ojeda posted:Dude also claims to be a Catholic. So basically, he's a loving dickhead. "I'd stand with the leader of my faith, but he's betraying me by not being enough of a selfish warmonger." 
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Sep 18, 2015 22:36
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How dare the Pope tell people to take care of the world God told us to be shepherds of.
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I hope the Pope excommunicates him for being an idiot.
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ReidRansom posted:It's not like they're all as they were in the 70s and 80s though. They've all been basically continuously upgraded and refitted with newer systems and weapons. Yeah there's only so much you can do with an old hull before you need to start over, but even those "old" ships are quite advanced. Even a ship launched in the late 70's or early 80's is pushing 35-40 years old right now, and like it's been said while the electronics have been continuously upgraded the hulls are still 35-40 years old and salt water is really, really loving corrosive to metal. The other problem is that republicans see military procurement as the only viable jobs program which the defense industry has exploited to the fullest.
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Luigi Thirty posted:I hope the Pope excommunicates him for being an idiot. He's too nice a guy to do that. He will forgive him and hope that he sees the error of his ways like Jesus would.
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Sep 18, 2015 22:44
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A Winner is Jew posted:Even a ship launched in the late 70's or early 80's is pushing 35-40 years old right now, and like it's been said while the electronics have been continuously upgraded the hulls are still 35-40 years old and salt water is really, really loving corrosive to metal. Oh, I get it. Ship I'm on was launched in 1978 and even with an extensive refit in 2009, it's showing its age. My point was just that they're quite as out of date as their ages would suggest, not that they're not due for replacement soon.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Even a ship launched in the late 70's or early 80's is pushing 35-40 years old right now, and like it's been said while the electronics have been continuously upgraded the hulls are still 35-40 years old and salt water is really, really loving corrosive to metal. With proper corrosion measures there should not be any hull damage no matter how long its been at sea.
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