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corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
valkyrie profile 2 can do 1080i

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Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Forest Thief Pud posted:

Actually, the way Ernest works is that you a) have to have Opera in the party and b) you have to do a bunch of side-events that relate to Opera and Ernest before going to Hoffman Ruins which you're required to go to because of plot reasons, and then he shows up as a boss after you fight the story boss of the dungeon. Ernest and Opera can then go leave the planet together if you don't convince them to stay, so at least that's a decent enough ending.

Yeah, but you can avoid that room with the story boss. So if you're a completionist and want Opera but not Ernest in your party, just do the side-events and then make sure to walk past the room with the extra boss on your way out.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Vp2 is universally liked, it's just graded against another good game backed by nostalgia.

The one common complaint is the lack of cutscene on the spirits, but that's not what the plot's about.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Valkyrie Profile 2 is great. I like VP1 more but VP2 is excellent. I actually imported VP2 when it first came out and liked it enough I bought the US version as soon as it was out.

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

corn in the bible posted:

valkyrie profile 2 can do 1080i

I had to look this up and it sounds like it just upscales from 480p and only works on the JP version of the game. Probably better off trying to emulate it at this point if you want it in HD.

As far as the game itself goes, I'll be "that guy" and say I liked VP2 a lot better than 1. The format of VP1 was much more interesting and unique, Lenneth is a way cooler protagonist of course, and a lot of the sprite work in VP1 was fantastic. But basically everything other than that, especially combat, I liked much better about VP2.


One real poo poo part of VP2 is, I believe Chapter 3, which is like 3-4 times longer than every other chapter in the game, and virtually nothing happens in the story during it until the end. Just a lot of 'go to this dungeon, now go to this dungeon', really drags. The other poo poo part is that characters join and leave your party permanently all the time and the game has a whole lot of permanent stat booster items you are encouraged to get and use. Spoiler for end of the game: Even the main character Alicia leaves the party right before the final boss. So just on the offhand you had been dumping all your stat boosters into her or something, sorry get hosed. Rufus is the only character that stays with you the entire game, but he does leave the party briefly for a few bossfights near the end of the game.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



corn in the bible posted:

A pstv is hella cheap, though it won't run ys celceta because of various bullshit reasons

Yeah, I thought about one, but I'd pretty much just be getting something to play on at work, so the Vita is a better choice.

That being said, I have yet to play a Tales game that really grabbed me, so it sounds like I'd pretty much be getting it for PSN games, remote play, and Persona 4 (and maybe Disgaea 4). I may need to mull it over more...

Golden Goat
Aug 2, 2012

Okay i'm gonna need starting tips for VP2

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

Golden Goat posted:

Okay i'm gonna need starting tips for VP2

You're sort of expected to "Release" your Einherjar throughout the game, which gives them up in exchange for permanent stat buff items you can give to the other characters you decide to keep. The items you get are based on their gear (not including accessories), so IIRC you just need to gain 5 levels of them and then beyond that they don't matter. This is mostly a min-maxy mechanic, you can completely ignore it on your first playthrough if you want. You'll need to get into it if you go for harder difficulties or the bonus post-game dungeon.

Story characters come and go all the time. Don't spend any permanent stat-up items on anyone other than Rufus, or maybe as Einherjar that is particularly good.
Pick a few Einherjar you really like and keep them. They're reliable party fillers and many of them are quite good. Feel free to Release any unnecessary ones.

In battle you can split your party into multiple groups. Don't forget this because it's really useful.

The game isn't like VP1 in that you need to follow a confusing series of decisions to get the 'real' ending. There's one very minor bonus ending bit that's easy to get if you want though.

Honestly other than that I think it's pretty easy to pick up, don't really need to know much going in for your first playthrough.

Gwyrgyn Blood fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Sep 18, 2015

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

There's a poem you might want to read in some houses in the first two chapters for a goodie later on, but it's not critical.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Stats don't really matter much for most of the game. It's mostly about equipment bonus stacking and skills. The tutorial does a good job explaining everything, but generally the most active thing you'll do is switch up your attacks because they are very context-sensitive (size, weight, armor, etc).

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
The only two things I disliked about Vp2 were how Einjerhar were random to an extent and how some of the companions were handled.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
Use Phyress

Elemental attacks are more or less universally better than non-elemental attacks, since the elemental portion is bonus magic damage on top of the physical damage. Weapons with elements then add additional magical damage, in a way that stacks.

xov
Nov 14, 2005

DNA Ts. Rednum or F. Raf

Gwyrgyn Blood posted:

I had to look this up and it sounds like it just upscales from 480p and only works on the JP version of the game. Probably better off trying to emulate it at this point if you want it in HD.

IIRC, this does work on the US version (and also for Radiata Stories and Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) because I remember holding down some buttons each time (triangle and something) I booted it to enable progressive scan (480p), and then switch to widescreen within the game.

Definitely not 720p/1080i though. I want to say the only PS2 game that can do that was Gran Turismo 4.

Fake edit: I am completely and utterly wrong. Check this awesome list for all PS2 resolution outliers.

Real edit: I wish VP2/RS/SO3 would come up on the PS Store so I could open my wallet for them again. PS2's out of commission and emulation isn't really an option due to my refusal to move the PC to the living room.

I preferred VP2 over 1 because there wasn't this lingering "hey the world ends in x days, so quit loving around and move forward already." and I could just sit and grind materials for hours, and by golly I sure did. It was a great incentive to screw around with combos and stuff and getting some of those rewards for hitting poo poo in mid-air or whatever made me feel so warm and happy inside. :kimchi:

xov fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Sep 18, 2015

Linnaeus
Jan 2, 2013

xov posted:

I wish RS would come up on the PS Store so I could open my wallet for it again.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

xov posted:

IIRC, this does work on the US version (and also for Radiata Stories and Star Ocean: Till the End of Time) because I remember holding down some buttons each time (triangle and something) I booted it to enable progressive scan (480p), and then switch to widescreen within the game.

Definitely not 720p/1080i though. I want to say the only PS2 game that can do that was Gran Turismo 4.

Fake edit: I am completely and utterly wrong. Check this awesome list for all PS2 resolution outliers.

Real edit: I wish VP2/RS/SO3 would come up on the PS Store so I could open my wallet for them again. PS2's out of commission and emulation isn't really an option due to my refusal to move the PC to the living room.

I preferred VP2 over 1 because there wasn't this lingering "hey the world ends in x days, so quit loving around and move forward already." and I could just sit and grind materials for hours, and by golly I sure did. It was a great incentive to screw around with combos and stuff and getting some of those rewards for hitting poo poo in mid-air or whatever made me feel so warm and happy inside. :kimchi:

So vp2 is better because its grindfest?

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

corn in the bible posted:

So vp2 is better because its grindfest?

No, it's better because you don't have a ticking timer telling you what you can and can't do.

Million Ghosts
Aug 11, 2011

spooooooky
it's also better because it makes a bit of sense intsead of making negative sense.

The Taint Reaper
Sep 4, 2012

by Shine
Just buy all the PS2 RPGs


that's what I did.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Million Ghosts posted:

it's also better because it makes a bit of sense intsead of making negative sense.

VP2 makes sense, it's just silly.

70% of the plot is "here is what happened in VP1's flashback city." The other 30% is "Lezard travelled back in time, hosed everything up, had to die."

Million Ghosts
Aug 11, 2011

spooooooky
i know, i mean VP1 is a pile of whats and whys

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

The other critical advantage of VP2 is that there are super shortened versions of the super animations.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

SO2 chat got me playing that again and I have but one thing to say about it: gently caress MACHINERY

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
VP1 is great because everyone sounds like a pokemon character

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

The Taint Reaper posted:

Just buy all the PS2 RPGs


that's what I did.
I'm working on it

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

dis astranagant posted:

SO2 chat got me playing that again and I have but one thing to say about it: gently caress MACHINERY

sorry you keep trying to make the ririca and you see it in the transforming model, but it happens on the failure beat

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Million Ghosts posted:

i know, i mean VP1 is a pile of whats and whys
vp1 is a really simple plot

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

The White Dragon posted:

sorry you keep trying to make the ririca and you see it in the transforming model, but it happens on the failure beat

No, I have 20 of those. No Plasma Zap-Stick or Mech Launcher after hundreds of attempts with Orchestra playing.

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

Endorph posted:

vp1 is a really simple plot

But it's a simple plot that's told in the most complicated way possible. Not that it matters because the best part of the game are the character vignettes anyway.

The Taint Reaper
Sep 4, 2012

by Shine
Valkyrie Profile was the game that carried Classic Enix to Valhalla.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream

The Taint Reaper posted:

Valkyrie Profile was the game that carried Classic Enix to Valhalla.

Which is weird because SE just recently released the best Valkyrie Profile game ever.

GulagDolls
Jun 4, 2011

Levantine posted:

No, it's better because you don't have a ticking timer telling you what you can and can't do.

vp1 gives you so, so, so much extra time to do things, and absolutely all of that extra time is pretty much useless

The Taint Reaper
Sep 4, 2012

by Shine

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Which is weird because SE just recently released the best Valkyrie Profile game ever.

Yeah Lightning Returns was good.

Suicide Pacmen
Mar 26, 2002

Rabbit season!
speaking of wicked great ps2 rpgs who has the rights to shadow hearts right now and why aren't they doing anything with them

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Suicide Pacmen posted:

speaking of wicked great ps2 rpgs who has the rights to shadow hearts right now and why aren't they doing anything with them

Aruze and because they left video games entirely and just do casino stuff now.

Looper
Mar 1, 2012

Quest For Glory II posted:

I ordered Shining Force Neo and Arc the Lad Twilight. After these two the next ones I might get are Valkyrie Profile 2 and Metal Saga. Gotta catch em all

also I might look into Dual Hearts because apparently it's not-Alundra by the alundra devs

Metal Saga is really cool, but I found myself struggling to want to finish it

Factory Davey
Jan 9, 2010

I am aware of what the hands look like. I did my best. :(
Metal Saga is neat but I kinda why it's the only one that came out here.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

also shadow hearts is a 4 game series, in which one game sold decently at all. a 25% success rate isn't really worth dragging it back out for.

Dr. Eldarion
Mar 21, 2001

Deal Dispatcher

ImpAtom posted:

Aruze and because they left video games entirely and just do casino stuff now.

Gambling needs to be banned everywhere so we can have our game companies back.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

it's not like they have the shadow hearts devs working on pachinko machines. Nautilus got dissolved completely by Aruze. it's dead. All the employees went on to work at feelplus (lost odyssey and infinite undiscovery) and then feelplus got rolled into Marvelous (uh, Fate/Extra?)

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

If you want people really high up in the chain, the director/writer of Shadow Hearts 1 and 2 worked on some PSP rpgs that never left japan. Big RIP.

The guy behind Koudelka went back to just composing games. He's worked on Soul Calibur, the Shining series, and touhou remix albums.

The director of Shadow Hearts 3 worked on Lost Odyssey, too.

and the character designer for all 3 games draws PreCure fanart on pixiv, which is the happiest ending of all, really.

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