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I believe the explanation is that Quiet's lungs are torched and non-functional from the prologue (before she was given the parasite power-up), so she can only breathe through her skin unlike Code Talker and The End who can do both. But yeah, it's a pretty shallow excuse at best when they worked backwards from "we want a hot lady who wears almost nothing".
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Finally beat the game. Kojima should really never make video games again. Instead Hollywood should hire him to cut trailers. He managed to turn the blandest cutscenes into something amazing. Those trailers are a 100 times better then the story. Is there any cutscenes in the game that didn't end up in one of the trailers? Serious questions I legit got disappointed the more I played as it seemed I had already seen most of the cutscenes.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Am I screwed out of 100% from losing Quiet since I only developed the suppressed non-lethal rifle and the XOF Outfit for her? Item development doesn't count toward completion percent, only missions/mission tasks do.
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Sep 20, 2015 20:32
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:I've constantly been using the not-M1911, just because of course Venom would inherit his fanboyism over them. The good old days, when Big Boss would sit on a metal bunk with no bedding admiring a beautiful gun while a sexy lady was never more than 10 seconds away from jumping his bones at the slightest indication of interest and then calling his gun nut buddy who wasn't evil yet, Sigint, to also describe to him about how loving cool this gun actually is. I was extremely disappointed when putting a code in for "Big Boss' M1911A1" in MGS4 gave you an M1911A1 that looked nothing like the gun in Snake Eater.
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Throb Robinson posted:Is there any cutscenes in the game that didn't end up in one of the trailers? Serious questions I legit got disappointed the more I played as it seemed I had already seen most of the cutscenes. No.
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Sep 20, 2015 20:39
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There are some cutscenes that didn't end up in the game like the child soldiers being trained and Snake in the burning village.
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Sep 20, 2015 20:45
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quiet sniping the airplane quiet shooting through the helicopter blades Rescuing Huey and the metal gear shows up I'm on chapter 12 that's what I've noticed so far
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Modest Mao posted:quiet sniping the airplane I'm sure we saw some of the airplane sniping pre launch. The child soldier training may have been the kids in pitch dark. Perhaps they decided to put it as part of the mission instead of as a cutscene. The intro to the Nuclear trailer is straight up gone. A couple of scenes in trailers are context sensitive too and are easy to miss.
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Sep 20, 2015 20:52
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I did a double-take on the pre-Act 2 ingame spoiler-trailer / credits Paz scene because I finished the game without seeing her show up and at least expected some sort of weird plot about a clone/memory-imprinted double agent fake Paz until I figured out just how little of Act 2 there actually was. Then I find out it's an entirely missable series of cutscenes if you for some reason happen to be walking around the medical(?) platform that no one tells you about. I mean sure you could be returning to Base between every story mission and spending hours running around trying to open all the non-openable doors on every platform on your ever increasingly sprawling mess of a base until you find something that may or may not launch a little cutscene (explaining the people on steam with 200 hours in this game) but uh... no, Kojima, no  (Not like I fell for the bullshit that was "come check out the progress of Battle Gear!" or anything)
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Sep 20, 2015 21:18
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It's within sight of Quiet's cell area which you have to go to multiple times as well as in plain view of the target practice side-op (there are a few targets right in front of the door, which opens automatically when you get close), and the door is shaded in light blue light as opposed to all of the other doors on the platform, which are red. It's hidden, sure, but not THAT hidden.
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Sep 20, 2015 21:32
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Was the cutscene with Eli attacking you with a chair in the game? Can't remember if that happened to me
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Sep 20, 2015 21:46
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Ekusukariba posted:Was the cutscene with Eli attacking you with a chair in the game? Can't remember if that happened to me Yes. Throb Robinson posted:Finally beat the game. Kojima should really never make video games again. Instead Hollywood should hire him to cut trailers. He managed to turn the blandest cutscenes into something amazing. Those trailers are a 100 times better then the story. 
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Man, I was almost able to buy into Skull Face's ETHNIC CLEANSING as a traditional dumb Metal Gear villain motivation (Hey, he's a crazy villain, maybe he just doesn't realize how flawed his plan really is), but holy poo poo that last Quiet scene is so laughable, and for more reasons than just keeping her T&A in-frame at all times. I AM QUIET I AM THE ABSENCE OF WORDS except for written language BOY IT SURE DID SUCK THAT I COULDN'T EXPRESS MY FEELINGS TOWARDS YOU THE PLAYER except with written language BECAUSE WE MAY AS WELL WRITE THIS AS A FANFICTION BEFORE THE FANS DO. And I guess it's ok to have an extended tape of her talking, or a radio broadcast of her talking, unless that's only ok because everyone took Wolbachia in which case why would she even leave if she poses way less threat to Diamond Dogs than she does literally anywhere else?
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Sep 20, 2015 22:00
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Another neat clue in the intro regarding Ishmael's identity is that when he lights Quiet on fire you can clearly hear him using his lighter while Venom is blacking out. EDIT: By the way I figured out how soldier stats work and S+/S++ is impossible on random enemies in missions/free roam, which sucks because POWs use the same rules and females are only ever POWs outside the fixed volunteers, so females will basically never be better than S in anything.
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Sep 20, 2015 22:18
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Ekusukariba posted:Was the cutscene with Eli attacking you with a chair in the game? Can't remember if that happened to me It depends on where you beat Eli. You don't get the "attack Dad with lawn chair" scene if you don't beat him inside his little 'throne room'.
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Sep 20, 2015 22:29
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Moartoast posted:I AM QUIET I AM THE ABSENCE OF WORDS except for written language BOY IT SURE DID SUCK THAT I COULDN'T EXPRESS MY FEELINGS TOWARDS YOU THE PLAYER except with written language BECAUSE WE MAY AS WELL WRITE THIS AS A FANFICTION BEFORE THE FANS DO. Has subvocalization been considered as a reason for her to not write things down? It seems like a pretty MGS-ey explanation for why she refuses to even write things down.
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Ekusukariba posted:Was the cutscene with Eli attacking you with a chair in the game? Can't remember if that happened to me Yes, if you kick his rear end inside the boat where the pig head is then you'll trigger that scene. Moartoast posted:Man, I was almost able to buy into Skull Face's ETHNIC CLEANSING as a traditional dumb Metal Gear villain motivation (Hey, he's a crazy villain, maybe he just doesn't realize how flawed his plan really is), but holy poo poo that last Quiet scene is so laughable, and for more reasons than just keeping her T&A in-frame at all times. While I agree that it's dumb that Quiet wouldn't use my form of written communication (this would have been a good opportunity for Diamond Dogs to invent chat rooms), the whole reason that she left is because she realized that with the Wolbachia mutation it was still possible to spread the English strain. She left MB to die and protect Venom Snake, but getting captured by the Russians was a dumb way to do it, unless she was looking for a final opportunity to talk to Snake. I dunno, the whole vocal cord parasites stuff made my eyes glaze over when I tried listening to the tapes of Code Talker.
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Klades posted:Has subvocalization been considered as a reason for her to not write things down? It seems like a pretty MGS-ey explanation for why she refuses to even write things down. I love Return of the Street Fighter because it opens up with Sonny Chiba breaking someone's hands of a mute guy so they can't write down some information for the police. But then in an unrelated incident the killed villain from the previous film mysteriously returns despite Sonny Chiba destroying his throat. He returns with a mechanical throat or something so that he could speak again. And that was how the bad guys learned where Sonny Chiba is, because after years of bionics surgery they restored this guy's ability to speak so he could say it to them instead of writing it down.
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Sep 20, 2015 22:37
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Maybe he was illiterate
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Nakar posted:Another neat clue in the intro regarding Ishmael's identity is that when he lights Quiet on fire you can clearly hear him using his lighter while Venom is blacking out. I think I have a S++ combat female soldier as a volunteer. Throb Robinson posted:Finally beat the game. Kojima should really never make video games again. Instead Hollywood should hire him to cut trailers. He managed to turn the blandest cutscenes into something amazing. Those trailers are a 100 times better then the story. Yeah, the trailers of the game gave the appearance that the game was going to be a lot darker than what we got. It felt like a complete shift from Ground Zeroes in that regard.
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Sep 20, 2015 22:45
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Funky Valentine posted:It depends on where you beat Eli. You don't get the "attack Dad with lawn chair" scene if you don't beat him inside his little 'throne room'. Ah that explains it then
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Buschmaki posted:I just realized how similar this game's development circumstances and tone is to Halo: Reach, both great games. Reach had a great story and felt finished as gently caress. edit: not actually contradicting anything you said here, just bears mentioning since this game has great gameplay and a fantastic engine but is otherwise a fail. Reach, on the other hand, was the best entry in the entire Halo series imo. Whoa. Wife Turds fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Sep 20, 2015 |
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Quiet didn't write anything down because the moment Miller learned that she could communicate he would torture the poo poo out of her for months for information on Cypher.
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Pimpmust posted:I did a double-take on the pre-Act 2 ingame spoiler-trailer / credits Paz scene because I finished the game without seeing her show up and at least expected some sort of weird plot about a clone/memory-imprinted double agent fake Paz until I figured out just how little of Act 2 there actually was.
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blackguy32 posted:I think I have a S++ combat female soldier as a volunteer.
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zedprime posted:Well its an imaginary exchange, how exactly could you point someone to something that doesn't actually exist?
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Maybe Quiet picked up illiteracy from the female population in Afghanistan.
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DaveKap posted:Which makes me question what the gently caress those Paz tapes are. Imagining Paz's existence and giving her photos then eventually realizing you're outside daydreaming is believable. Still being able to listen to physical items in your tape player after the fact is not.
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Nanomashoes posted:Quiet didn't write anything down because the moment Miller learned that she could communicate he would torture the poo poo out of her for months for information on Cypher. "START WRITING BITCH" *Quiet pauses, then slowly draws a dickbutt* DaveKap posted:Which makes me question what the gently caress those Paz tapes are. Imagining Paz's existence and giving her photos then eventually realizing you're outside daydreaming is believable. Still being able to listen to physical items in your tape player after the fact is not. The tapes are actually Venom doing an impression of Paz.
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DaveKap posted:Which makes me question what the gently caress those Paz tapes are. Imagining Paz's existence and giving her photos then eventually realizing you're outside daydreaming is believable. Still being able to listen to physical items in your tape player after the fact is not. There's no explanation anyone here can give you 
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All of Paz's dialogue since Peace Walker is just Venom's impression of her, which explains her entirely unconvincing Central American accent.
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Nakar posted:All of Paz's dialogue since Peace Walker is just Venom's impression of her, which explains her entirely unconvincing Central American accent. "Hey, I saw the boss at that construction zone on the Medical strut again." "Yeah? What was he doing?" "He was just...talking to himself, in this really high-pitched voice, about...kittens?"
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Ever since i finished this i can't help but think about how loving little it contributes to the series from a story perspective. Everything's new/self contained and basically thrown away at the end. The only thing it actually does is provide an answer for why there were 'super powers' in MGS3, where Psycho Mantis originated (though we already knew part of that from MGS1 didn't we) and imply that the Big Boss of MG1 was Venom Snake. Even the Liquid Snake stuff is pointless because it doesn't tell us anything new.
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RAGH RAGH RAGH WHY KOJIMA HAVE TO MAKE EVERYTHING CONNECTED RAGH RAGH RAGH WHY KOJIMA TELL SELF-CONTAINED STORY
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Funky Valentine posted:RAGH RAGH RAGH WHY KOJIMA HAVE TO MAKE EVERYTHING CONNECTED I'm pretty sure the first thing has never been a common complaint of the series and is in fact one of its major selling points hth
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CJacobs posted:There's no explanation anyone here can give you I don't need answers, I stopped caring when I realized the game was gutted to rush the release (and I'm not saying this in a negative light, I love this game and am still playing it and having fun) but it's just silly to worry anymore. Kojima take the wheel.
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I still don't quite understand why Big Boss felt the need to go into hiding and let Venom Snake take over. If Venom Snake could build Boss' legend, build his own PMC that could rival Outer Heaven, and generally clean house all on his own, why not just do it yourself? The idea of staying off the Patriots radar and building Outer Heaven just doesn't seem to me to be good reasons for the whole switcheroo. Literally everything Venom Snake accomplishes Big Boss could've accomplished himself and still built his nation in the process.
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Esroc posted:I still don't quite understand why Big Boss felt the need to go into hiding and let Venom Snake take over. If Venom Snake could build Boss' legend, build his own PMC that could rival Outer Heaven, and generally clean house all on his own, why not just do it yourself? The idea of staying off the Patriots radar and building Outer Heaven just doesn't seem to me to be good reasons for the whole switcheroo. Literally everything Venom Snake accomplishes Big Boss could've accomplished himself and still built his nation in the process.
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Esroc posted:I still don't quite understand why Big Boss felt the need to go into hiding and let Venom Snake take over. If Venom Snake could build Boss' legend, build his own PMC that could rival Outer Heaven, and generally clean house all on his own, why not just do it yourself? The idea of staying off the Patriots radar and building Outer Heaven just doesn't seem to me to be good reasons for the whole switcheroo. Literally everything Venom Snake accomplishes Big Boss could've accomplished himself and still built his nation in the process. Cause Big Boss is apparently a big coward or something I guess? Also given the ending was MG1 Outer Heaven Venom's take on it? with Zanzibar land being Big Boss's version of Outer Heaven?
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