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Did you know that the drought is a government conspiracy? Neither did I. 
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Sep 23, 2015 23:56
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I didn't say the Catholic Church, I said Pope Francis. His canonizing of this dirtbag means he's okay with it. Hells yeah, Pope Francis' humanitarian stances such as: still no women catholic priests, still insisting on celibacy in the priesthood, still not punishing members of the bureaucracy that helped to hide the molesters by moving them around; still banning all effective forms of birth control, a policy which directly impoverishes entire nations; still excommunicating divorcees, a policy which encourages people to stay in abusive marriages for fear of going to Hell; still maintaining an enormously, lavishly, conspicuously wealthy organization despite a purported mission to help the poor; etc. etc. etc. Pope Francis said maybe atheists aren't literally evil, he likes to commute around the Vatican in a normal car, he's trying not to be as ostentatious. I think he's genuinely more humble than recent Popes we've had and that's not a bad thing. But he's doing gently caress-all to actually reform the Catholic church. He's a completely typical indoctrinated conservative Catholic priest who knows how to present himself as a populist but has no intention of actually instituting change. So, you know: gently caress that guy.
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Sep 24, 2015 00:04
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I'll take a reformer on a few issues versus a reactionary or conservative on all, especially considering we're discussing what should be one of the most conservative organizations on Earth. The fact that the Catholic Church isn't the most conservative mass movement is rather amazing really. How can you get outpaced by a thousands year old religious institution with a centralized authoritarian bent?
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Sep 24, 2015 00:58
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Thanks Pope Francis for legitimizing the genocide of my ancestors. So what are your thoughts about his comments today? It might not go far enough obviously, but I'm struggling to think of when a US president has spoken similarly.
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Sep 24, 2015 17:39
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Wrap it up, Haggenailures: http://www.ksby.com/story/30112094/haggen-grocery-chain-to-close-all-california-stores I'm sure everybody saw this coming from miles away. I bet this'll be touted as an example of anti-monopoly regulation being bad.
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Sep 25, 2015 06:22
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Trabisnikof posted:So what are your thoughts about his comments today? Didn't bother watching. East Coast is too far to care about in my book.
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Sep 25, 2015 06:26
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Didn't bother watching. East Coast is too far to care about in my book. quote:In recent centuries, millions of people came to this land to pursue their dream of building a future in freedom. We, the people of this continent, are not fearful of foreigners, because most of us were once foreigners. I say this to you as the son of immigrants, knowing that so many of you are also descended from immigrants. Tragically, the rights of those who were here long before us were not always respected. For those peoples and their nations, from the heart of American democracy, I wish to reaffirm my highest esteem and appreciation. Those first contacts were often turbulent and violent, but it is difficult to judge the past by the criteria of the present. Nonetheless, when the stranger in our midst appeals to us, we must not repeat the sins and the errors of the past. We must resolve now to live as nobly and as justly as possible, as we educate new generations not to turn their back on our “neighbors” and everything around us. Building a nation calls us to recognize that we must constantly relate to others, rejecting a mindset of hostility in order to adopt one of reciprocal subsidiarity, in a constant effort to do our best. I am confident that we can do this.
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Sep 25, 2015 06:35
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CPColin posted:Wrap it up, Haggenailures: Be sure and keep us updated on further developments in the Greater Lompoc, Atascadero, and Paso Robles areas.
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Sep 25, 2015 08:06
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FMguru posted:Be sure and keep us updated on further developments in the Greater Lompoc, Atascadero, and Paso Robles areas. Which parts of California do you deem important enough for this thread?
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Sep 25, 2015 08:39
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CPColin posted:Wrap it up, Haggenailures: Not just the underperforming stores, but every single one? I find it hard to believe anyone is this incompetent, someone high up has to be cashing out big time because of this 
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Choadmaster posted:Which parts of California do you deem important enough for this thread? Wait, isn't all of California just the Bay Area and LA, with giant swaths of meth labs deserts and weed farm forests outside of them?
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Sep 25, 2015 14:44
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e_angst posted:Wait, isn't all of California just the Bay Area and LA, with giant swaths of meth labs deserts and weed farm forests outside of them? Leperflesh, is that you???
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Sep 25, 2015 15:07
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FMguru posted:LMAO at your choice of source. It's my source because I live in SLO. v  v
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Sep 25, 2015 15:27
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FMguru posted:LMAO at your choice of source. We have people who do so for the Bay Area and LA. I think it's only fair to let him talk about SLO happenings every once in a while. I mean it's not like he cares about bicycling around Sunnyvale.
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e_angst posted:Wait, isn't all of California just the Bay Area and LA, with giant swaths of meth labs deserts and weed farm forests outside of them? What is this LA you speak of? I'm in Orange County, and while I theorize that there could be something north of me, the solid wall of traffic says otherwise.
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e_angst posted:Wait, isn't all of California just the Bay Area and LA, with giant swaths of meth labs deserts and weed farm forests outside of them? Somewhere a Sacramento resident is crying. Although I'm sure people living in Stockton/Modesto/Fresno aren't too worked up, they are too busy sweltering in their 6th month of summer.
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TildeATH posted:Leperflesh, is that you??? I acknowledge other parts of california  Yosemite, for example. And the north coast. And Monterey & Big Sur. And Mendocino. Shasta. Lassen. The rest of the high sierra. Long valley. Mono lake. San Juan Bautista. ...basically everything north of SLO is nice, with a few exceptions. I'm looking at you, Eureka.
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Pervis posted:Somewhere a Sacramento resident is crying. We aren't crying. It's just a little wildfire in our eyes.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:39
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No comment yet, just saw this pop up: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/09/24/california-lake-mysterious-runs-dry-overnight-killing-thousands-of-fish/ quote:FOLSOM LAKE (CBS13) — A Northern California reservoir ran dry overnight, killing thousands of fish and leaving residents looking for answers.
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Sep 26, 2015 10:02
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FRINGE posted:No comment yet, just saw this pop up: Holy gently caress we're all gonna die. 
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It's been kinda hard to find clear info about that one but what it sounds like is that there are outlet pipes to provide minimum downstream flows and they've been clogged so outflows were lower than they should have been (with still virtually zero inflow because of the drought), and when they cleared the outlet pipes there was so little water left it drained really fast. The effect is dramatic (and I wouldn't discount the suggestion that PG&E did it this way because they didn't want to bother trying to transport the fish) but if the outlet pipes hadn't been clogged in the first place the res probably would have gone dry weeks ago.
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andamac posted:It's been kinda hard to find clear info about that one but what it sounds like is that there are outlet pipes to provide minimum downstream flows and they've been clogged so outflows were lower than they should have been (with still virtually zero inflow because of the drought), and when they cleared the outlet pipes there was so little water left it drained really fast. The effect is dramatic (and I wouldn't discount the suggestion that PG&E did it this way because they didn't want to bother trying to transport the fish) but if the outlet pipes hadn't been clogged in the first place the res probably would have gone dry weeks ago. Yeah this SacBee article has some more details: quote:PG&E spokesman Paul Moreno said an outlet valve at the dam has been continuously clogged, requiring maintenance as often as twice a day to release water downstream through Hamilton Branch to Lake Almanor. Company officials consulted with “the relevant agencies” and decided not to stop further flows out of the dam, he said.
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Sep 26, 2015 18:27
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PG&E loving up our environment again.
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Sirius tho, why haven't we built a transcontinental pipe to rainy states yet?
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Sep 26, 2015 20:10
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incoherent posted:Srius tho, why haven't we built a transcontinental pipe to rainy states yet? Because the other states say "no" But that's what the Colorado really is anyway.
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incoherent posted:Sirius tho, why haven't we built a transcontinental pipe to rainy states yet? You'd have to share with Nevada or Arizona.
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incoherent posted:Sirius tho, why haven't we built a transcontinental pipe to rainy states yet? Because the rest of the states think y'all are loving crazy for living there in the first place.
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computer parts posted:You'd have to share with Nevada or Arizona. Money and this. It would reward people who live in actual deserts where people shouldn't have lawns and golf courses anyhow. I mean, this is a problem even in California-- water is diverted so affluent white old people can turn into lizards in comfort while playing golf in places like Palm Springs or where ever. Arizona is like that only way worse.
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Sep 27, 2015 18:06
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Huge_Midget posted:Because the rest of the states think y'all are loving crazy for living there in the first place. If people think we're crazy for living in a place where the climate is fantastic for most of the year and there are very few bugs compared to everywhere else, then I'm not sure it's us who have the problem.
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Dirk the Average posted:If people think we're crazy for living in a place where the climate is fantastic for most of the year and there are very few bugs compared to everywhere else, then I'm not sure it's us who have the problem. I think he meant the rest of the states are jealous.
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The military might of California should be leveraged to bring the wet states to heel. We should colonize them and extract their precious hydro for our more enlightened usages. Who knows, in a hundred years or so idealistic Californian missionaries might bring civilization to their benighted cesspools of gluten, fried foods and college footballs.
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Sep 27, 2015 20:27
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TildeATH posted:benighted cesspools of gluten, fried foods and college footballs.
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jeeves posted:Money and this. It would reward people who live in actual deserts where people shouldn't have lawns and golf courses anyhow.  I've always wanted a thyme lawn but constant bees; a chamomile lawn is water-needy. More research is needed. Before you ask "why low?" I have a tiny snip of lawn in the front and a tiny strip in the back that need to be walkable-on.
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TildeATH posted:The military might of California should be leveraged to bring the wet states to heel. We should colonize them and extract their precious hydro for our more enlightened usages. Who knows, in a hundred years or so idealistic Californian missionaries might bring civilization to their benighted cesspools of gluten, fried foods and college footballs. California Empire  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFA8WxKHmyQ Too bad this game was buggy and broken.
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California already takes more than its fair share of water from 5+ other states, surely the economy of scale of adding 5 more would be cheaper! That or we could remove Hoover! 
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Um, you mean like us? The classic expose on California water use is called Cadillac Desert for a reason. I am down with saying "death to non-native grasses", but we're in no position to cast stones with regard to our existing practices. Speaking of which, I did an investigation of low-water low groundcovers this spring. Every single one recommended for California was an invasive plant. Basically all California-native plants are drought-resistant so just search for CA-natives and you'll have choices. There are also nurseries specializing in natives. If you're in the bay area, check Annie's Annuals in Richmond, they have a massive natives section.
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TildeATH posted:Who knows, in a hundred years or so idealistic Californian missionaries might bring civilization to their benighted cesspools of gluten, fried foods and college footballs. By which you mean Southern California?
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Sep 28, 2015 00:45
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Before you ask "why low?" I have a tiny snip of lawn in the front and a tiny strip in the back that need to be walkable-on. Tear it out and put stepping stones.
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I did say "tiny snip". There's a 3-ft-wide strip of grass next to the path up to the house in front and a 3-foot-wide strip in the back garden that separates the gravel path and the flowerbeds. I feel groundcovering those is totally legit. I had thought ajuga was invasive in California, but it's not on http://ice.ucdavis.edu/invasives/home/species UC Davis's list.
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