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Metapod posted:But how many people does new jersey have? Don't count as human
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Glass of Milk posted:I'm ok with the Chargers leaving now gently caress off
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zen death robot posted:You can still be a Chargers fan if they're in another city no, he can't, for reasons he can not and will not explain
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Alaois posted:no, he can't, for reasons he can not and will not explain LA is an evil city and Anaheim is entirely different
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Ross Angeles posted:gently caress off How about McCoy? Can McCoy just leave?
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Glass of Milk posted:How about McCoy? Can McCoy just leave? McCoy is generally fine.
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Ross Angeles posted:McCoy is generally fine. Yeah, well-coached teams usually fall behind in the first half of every game. Dude only did well in 2013 because he had Whisenhunt. "Compared to 2013, the offense dropped in points (from 12th in the league to 17th), yards (5th to 18th), first downs (3rd to 15th), net yards per pass (2nd to 8th), rushing yards (13th to 30) and yards per rush (21st to 31st)." Dude is bad, and it's showing this year. In actual stadium news, the city may be leveraging the lease to prevent the Chargers from leaving: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/Chargers-May-Be-in-Default-of-Their-Stadium-Lease-329576571.html It would be such a satisfying one-two punch to Spanos to have the Rams go to LA alone and the city leaving the Chargers without a lease to play in Qualcomm.
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Volkerball posted:You're a hell of a lot closer to a deal in San Diego than the raiders are in Oakland. If the raiders can't move to LA, they're absolutely hosed. "absolutely hosed" meaning the NFL might have to spend its own money on a stadium instead of extorting a city for one? Or like, the team folds out of spite? gently caress, I hope Oakland stays strong, someone needs to put a stop to this bullshit.
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Bobo the Red posted:"absolutely hosed" meaning the NFL might have to spend its own money on a stadium instead of extorting a city for one?
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Sep 29, 2015 00:22
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Ross Angeles posted:The Raiders can't afford it Yeah if Davis paid for like an eighth of a stadium he'd be making the biggest sacrifice of an nfl owner in recent history
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How exactly did the Raiders and Niners not end up partnering on the new building? Is it just that the Niners wanted to muscle the other team out of their territory knowing that, unlike the Jets or Giants, the other team could not get their own deal done?
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The league can afford it though. If a sports stadium is a legit investment, then the NFL shouldn't mind making it to maintain its teams. If its not... well, who better to shoulder the burden than the only people who truly profit from the whole drat thing. Anything is better than siphoning money from important city services to a godamn stadium If the Raiders have to get axed before the NFL clues in, so be it. Not like they're gonna get better while the ghost of Al Davis is watching over them anyway.
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"The League" doesn't make money, it handles and shuffles money between teams. That's why until recently it was a non-profit but relinquished that status so people would shut the gently caress up about it. Also Mark Davis has thrown up the double birds about sharing Levi's, so there's that.
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Bobo the Red posted:"absolutely hosed" meaning the NFL might have to spend its own money on a stadium instead of extorting a city for one? Davis's net worth is $500 million, and the going rate for decent stadiums is pushing a billion dollars. He'd have to sell what's left of what he owns of the team just to be able to afford half of that, which obviously isn't on the table given that if you're not the owner, you have no reason to drop a shitload of cash on a stadium. There will definitely be public funding for the next Raiders stadium, but things that aren't for sure are whether Mark Davis will own the team, whether the team will remain the Raiders, and where the team will go. So yeah, the team as we know it could disappear. LA is the only plausible way forward to avoid all of that. FuriousxGeorge posted:How exactly did the Raiders and Niners not end up partnering on the new building? Is it just that the Niners wanted to muscle the other team out of their territory knowing that, unlike the Jets or Giants, the other team could not get their own deal done? The Raiders were still adamant on getting a deal done with Oakland, and Mark really wants one stadium with a Raiders hall of fame in it and all that jazz. I'm not sure how things looked from the 49ers side of the table, but from the Raiders side it seemed like they would've been second class citizens. Red and gold stadium with 49ers poo poo all over everywhere. It wasn't an appealing option. Bobo the Red posted:The league can afford it though. If a sports stadium is a legit investment, then the NFL shouldn't mind making it to maintain its teams. If its not... well, who better to shoulder the burden than the only people who truly profit from the whole drat thing. Anything is better than siphoning money from important city services to a godamn stadium Still plenty of cities willing to dump money into stadiums, and the league will find one before they ever 100% finance a stadium on their own. The Raiders getting "axed" doesn't change anything about that. All it achieves is disbanding my favorite team, and gently caress that.
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There will always be more money in playing in a lovely stadium somewhere than in disbanding. Folding is not happening in this century.
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By disbanding, I mean the team is sold to the highest bidder, who's motivations could be anywhere from "I want to make the Raiders good and prosperous again" to "I don't care what this team is and when do we get to be the London Monarchs?" The Raiders can't sustainably share a stadium with USC or whatever. They have to get a deal done, or something has to give. They're missing out on too much money.
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Spoeank posted:"The League" doesn't make money, it handles and shuffles money between teams. That's why until recently it was a non-profit but relinquished that status so people would shut the gently caress up about it. The NFL as a whole brings in like 10 billion dollars yearly, the fact that it then gets redistributed to the individual teams doesn't mean that the league as whole doesn't have access to immense wealth that it could and should use to finance its own godamn infrastructure instead of abusing the public. The individual teams only have value because the league exists, so using some of their money to maintain the league would be reasonable. Obviously they won't but they totally could Volkerball posted:Still plenty of cities willing to dump money into stadiums, and the league will find one before they ever 100% finance a stadium on their own. The Raiders getting "axed" doesn't change anything about that. All it achieves is disbanding my favorite team, and gently caress that. You are right that they almost certainly will find some chump mayor who thinks this is a good move despite the evidence. I just hope it's not Oakland. I like Oakland, and the people of Oakland need that money going to real poo poo. Also I am sorry about the Raiders. They are so much more likable than the 49ers. But Al Davis, man. loving Al Davis.
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Ross Angeles posted:Al Davis owned Whatever you think of the Raiders franchise this is true
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Al Davis might be the single most important person in NFL history
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Ross Angeles posted:Al Davis might be the single most important person in NFL history Probably Mara but Al is definitely in the conversation.
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Ross Angeles posted:Al Davis might be the single most important person in NFL history Roger Goodell reads this posts, starts throwing things off his desk
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Bobo the Red posted:The NFL as a whole brings in like 10 billion dollars yearly, the fact that it then gets redistributed to the individual teams doesn't mean that the league as whole doesn't have access to immense wealth that it could and should use to finance its own godamn infrastructure instead of abusing the public. The individual teams only have value because the league exists, so using some of their money to maintain the league would be reasonable. Obviously they won't but they totally could What I'm saying is the league carries no balance, the teams do. And if you think the Bucs or Bengals are tossing in 1/32 the cost of a Raiders stadium (or even one red cent) then uhhhh
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Ross Angeles posted:Al Davis owned
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Bobo the Red posted:But Al Davis, man. loving Al Davis. What about him?
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warcrimes posted:What about him? He was really senile and bad the last 5-7 years
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Ross Angeles posted:He was really senile and bad the last 5-7 years He started making really bad decisions a few years before that but am just wondering what's up dude's rear end about Davis
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warcrimes posted:He started making really bad decisions a few years before that but am just wondering what's up dude's rear end about Davis Probably someone who doesn't realize how important Al was. Him firing Kiffin via overhead projector was amazing
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Ross Angeles posted:Probably someone who doesn't realize how important Al was. Pretty much exactly that: I didn't grow up in the US, and only started following football when I moved to the Bay Area. To me, Al Davis was just the loudmouth guy to blame for the perpetual awfulness of the local team I desperately wanted to like.
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Bobo the Red posted:Pretty much exactly that: I didn't grow up in the US, and only started following football when I moved to the Bay Area. To me, Al Davis was just the loudmouth guy to blame for the perpetual awfulness of the local team I desperately wanted to like. You should educate yourself, Al Davis was the hammer(as commissioner of the AFL) that forced the merger between the AFL and NFL in the 60s which was the catalyst for taking the NFL out of second class citizen status to become the juggernaut that it is today. Also, among other accomplishments, he was a major force for social change in the NFL. The last ten years he was in bad physical and mental shape but don't let that be the only legacy you have of Al Davis.
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His last years of life and bad decisions were completely excused in my book. He did enough good and pissed off enough commissioners for enough years (ie did enough good) that a pass for anything else was beyond earned.
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Chris James 2 posted:His last years of life and bad decisions were completely excused in my book. He did enough good and pissed off enough commissioners for enough years (ie did enough good) that a pass for anything else was beyond earned. In retrospect, I agree but it was painful to live through. At least his son is a cool motherfucker who knows how to run a team and party at strip clubs and Hooters.
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What's crazy is even with the bad, Al Davis teams played in well over 10% of all super bowls.
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Al also inducted more players into the hall of fame than anyone, including Lance Alworth, one of the greatest Chargers ever
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Ross Angeles posted:He was really senile and bad the last 5-7 years 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMljR1M4smY If you are not ready to start a fight in the stands after hearing that leader of men you are dead inside.Al Davis owned for so long and so hard that those 8 to 7 years at the end don't count for poo poo. Al davis owned. the Raiders bitch.
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Volkerball posted:What's crazy is even with the bad, Al Davis teams played in well over 10% of all super bowls. Before this 40 years in the desert, the raiders had a winning record against every non-recent expansion team in the league except the chiefs.
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Lamadrid posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMljR1M4smY The NFL doesn't want me to learn how much Al Davis owned, apparently. But I will try not to think of him as just the guy who went to the mat for Jamarcus Russell
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