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Litany Unheard posted:And at the end of the day none of it will matter because Planned Parenthood polls really well and government shutdowns poll really poorly. You're forgetting that facts have a liberal bias.
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Litany Unheard posted:And at the end of the day none of it will matter because Planned Parenthood polls really well and government shutdowns poll really poorly. Why would polling matter? This is about the base. I keep saying it, cause its true, but 2016 will not be an election where Republicans seek to gain moderate votes. This will be an election where Republicans seek to rain fire down upon American politics and hope the weak-willed stay home. Sure we won't see a shutdown now, because the Crying Man will save us one last time. But come December....
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Paradoxish posted:Holy poo poo, this is infuriating. I don't know whether he's willfully ignoring what she's saying or if he honestly doesn't understand her answer, and I don't even know which would be worse. Oh, he is certainly willfully ignoring her.
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RE: the highway bill being worked out by Schumer and Ryan. So they plan on paying for this bill (which lasts 6 years, right?) with some dumb version of the tax holiday poo poo they tried in the past? So if/when the revenues don't come in, just like all the other times, how are we gonna pay for this? pathetic little tramp posted:http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/29/444528541/6-clips-of-audio-you-should-hear-from-the-planned-parenthood-hearing Reminds me of the whole "READ THE BILL!   " poo poo we saw at the townhall meeting during the health care debate.
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Trabisnikof posted:Why would polling matter? Yeah, which is well and good for Republicans coming from R+5 and up districts. The rest of them have to go back home and find a way to keep their seats after shutting down the government over a very popular organization. They'll run to the edge of the cliff to appease the base, but it's dangerous to actually go over the edge. Also, next election isn't a midterm and I don't see any of the current Republican presidential candidates inspiring major conservative turnout.
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Trabisnikof posted:Why would polling matter? It's all about turnout, yes. For all people talk about the "demographic swing" that happened in 2012 I wonder if they realize it was almost entirely because of white voters staying home rather than any real increase in minority voters. There was better turnout among black voters in 12 but it was almost entirely counteracted by a decline in latino voters.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:I would guess the rise in abortion services from PP has something to do with successful efforts to harass / legislate other abortion providers out of existence. PP will never get out of the abortion game so they become a provider of last / only resort and wind up performing some of the procedures other providers would have in the past. I don't have hard numbers, on my phone. I would guess Guttmacher has something on that, or will soon now that it's A Thing. There really isn't a dramatic rise in abortion services. That was my point - it was like a 10% rise. I was wondering why screenings were down so much, but the point about the recommendation for pap tests going to 3-5 years makes sense. Though I have to say - if you are going to go in front of these committees you should really be prepared for people to attempt to bullshit you so looking at graph axes should be high on the list.
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Sep 30, 2015 00:11
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Litany Unheard posted:If we can find a way to trick all of the conservatives to gently caress off to Mars I'm all for it. If anything, they'll end up like the American-government-in-exile in American Flagg!: The Plex becomes so consumed in such a power struggle on the headquarters on Mars that they deploy chemical-biological weapons against themselves, leaving the President the only survivor.
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Sep 30, 2015 00:22
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Gowdy has apparently asked to be removed from consideration for Majority Leader. His reason? He just loves investigating Benghazi too much: Robert Costa posted:Per several members, Gowdy became emotional tonight as he spoke to colleagues, said he loves Benghazi cmmte work, must focus on it
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Sep 30, 2015 00:23
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funtax posted:Gowdy has apparently asked to be removed from consideration for Majority Leader. His reason? Look, if you were a Republican and had a choice between being labeled a RINO for selling out the conservative base to keep the party and government alive or having the chance to be labeled "The Man Who (Almost) Brought Down Hillary (But Failed Because She Was Just Too Wily!)™", I think the choice is clear.
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Litany Unheard posted:Yeah, which is well and good for Republicans coming from R+5 and up districts. The rest of them have to go back home and find a way to keep their seats after shutting down the government over a very popular organization. They'll run to the edge of the cliff to appease the base, but it's dangerous to actually go over the edge. Go look up how many Republicans hold a seat with a less than +5 margin. It's not many. Also it's pretty clear Trump is bringing the noise as far as the base is concerned.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Look, if you were a Republican and had a choice between being labeled a RINO for selling out the conservative base to keep the party and government alive or having the chance to be labeled "The Man Who (Almost) Brought Down Hillary (But Failed Because She Was Just Too Wily!)™", I think the choice is clear. Not to mention the fact that being Majority Leader is difficult, grueling, and thankless work, and "investigating Benghazi" is leaning back in your chair and flinging pencils into the ceiling. Or jerking off. "Investigating Benghazi" sounds like a good euphemism for jerking off. E: Really though, this is what's wrong with the GOP in a nutshell and it's taking the rest of the country down with it. There's no incentive at all to do the hard work of actually governing because you're highly likely to be primaried or voted out if you try. Meanwhile, doing jack poo poo legislatively while stirring up the base into a perpetual froth over hopeless causes keeps the war chest filled and requires much less effort. Rhesus Pieces fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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Sep 30, 2015 00:47
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Fried Chicken posted:Remember when they went after the kid on SCHiP back in 2007? Good times I don't know. Does he have granite kitchen countertops too?
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tsa posted:It's all about turnout, yes. For all people talk about the "demographic swing" that happened in 2012 I wonder if they realize it was almost entirely because of white voters staying home rather than any real increase in minority voters. There was better turnout among black voters in 12 but it was almost entirely counteracted by a decline in latino voters. This is the Steve Sailer/Sean Trende mantra, that the lost because of "missing white voters" so pushing to really chase and get out the white vote will win. It is also completely incorrect.
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Sep 30, 2015 01:50
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Fried Chicken posted:This is the Steve Sailer/Sean Trende mantra, that the lost because of "missing white voters" so pushing to really chase and get out the white vote will win. Nah, I think all the GOP has to do is swing even harder right and those missing dead Reagan conservatives will come back to vote.
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Sep 30, 2015 01:53
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McConnell is entering into talks with Obama to get a 2 year funding deal done. You'd hope Obama would have learned by now but we'll see. Also, question of how it gets past the House Rand Paul declared that Ted Cruz is "done for" in the Senate. Gotta love the knives being out
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Sep 30, 2015 01:53
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Fried Chicken posted:McConnell is entering into talks with Obama to get a 2 year funding deal done. You'd hope Obama would have learned by now but we'll see. Also, question of how it gets past the House as much as i have touted it. do you really think the establishment will finish off cruz? yeah he has burned every bridge ever. but the "base" still loves him.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:as much as i have touted it. do you really think the establishment will finish off cruz? yeah he has burned every bridge ever. but the "base" still loves him. Well, we don't really know that until 2018.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:as much as i have touted it. do you really think the establishment will finish off cruz? yeah he has burned every bridge ever. but the "base" still loves him. What could they do? Could they fund a challenger in his next election? This has been the most amazing primary season so far. I love the open hostility between the "Establishment" and the "Outsiders". It's great, burn the whole loving thing to the ground.
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Fried Chicken posted:McConnell is entering into talks with Obama to get a 2 year funding deal done. You'd hope Obama would have learned by now but we'll see. Also, question of how it gets past the House If Obama does a grand bargain (2011 style) that would severely tarnish his legacy in my opinion, especially if it involves raising the retirement age. I'm hopeful that they can maybe end the sequester out it though.
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Mitt Romney posted:If Obama does a grand bargain (2011 style) that would severely tarnish his legacy in my opinion, especially if it involves raising the retirement age. I'm hopeful that they can maybe end the sequester out it though. Since he's not running for reelection, a grand bargain would likely be overshadowed by all the heavy poo poo like Obamacare, gay marriage, the Iran deal, the Cuba deal, and likely TPP. Not taking something and letting another shutdown would have more effect for the likely history rewriters from the right who will slam him for his failure to somehow keep a hostile Congress in line. I more likely expect that he will somehow become the "good Democrat we could work with unlike the current one" like Bill Clinton in time, despite how ahistorical that actually is. (See how each Democratic presidential candidate was "the most liberal Democrat candidate yet!" every year.)
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There will not be a Grand Bargain.
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Our only hope is that nothing Obama proposes will be enough for the rabid right-wing. Will the Tea Party again save us from Obama's entitlement cuts?
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When you think about it, the Tea Party is effectively more economically liberal than Obama because Obama wanted to cut entitlements, and the Tea Party prevented it.
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Radbot posted:When you think about it, the Tea Party is effectively more economically liberal than Obama because Obama wanted to cut entitlements, and the Tea Party prevented it. ......what?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:as much as i have touted it. do you really think the establishment will finish off cruz? yeah he has burned every bridge ever. but the "base" still loves him. My money is on Senator Prescott Bush in his seat come 2019 computer parts posted:There will not be a Grand Bargain. If nothing else I have no idea how they would get the house to go along. Maybe that is what Pete rouskamp is trying to push with his secret meetings
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CommieGIR posted:......what? The aborted 2011 deal
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An odd epilogue to the weird final note Pope Francis left us on not forcing people to act against their conscience. EDIT: And in other news, Saudi Arabia officially gets off scott-free with respect to 9/11 ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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FAUXTON posted:Prescott's the one that dealt with the Nazis, right? Yes, and the great grandfather of the living Prescott Bush, Jeb's son Edit \/\/\/\/. Much like how John Ellis is Jeb, yes Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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Sep 30, 2015 03:41
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FAUXTON posted:Prescott's the one that dealt with the Nazis, right? I think they're calling George Prescott Bush "Prescott" to distinguish him from the other two George Bushes.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:An odd epilogue to the weird final note Pope Francis left us on not forcing people to act against their conscience.
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Fried Chicken posted:Is there any particular reason to believe them this time when they have lied out their asses up until now? And doesn't Davis's brand of Christianity consider Catholics to be Hell-bound idol worshipers?
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Fried Chicken posted:Is there any particular reason to believe them this time when they have lied out their asses up until now? I highly, highly doubt it. These are the same people who tried to pass off a picture of a huge Peruvian religious convention from a year ago as a Kim Davis rally. The Liberty Counsel are compulsive liars, and since they are the only source for this otherwise unconfirmed story I have no idea why NBC News bothered to report it. clickbait
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In regards to PP and abortion: I just came across a couple very interesting articles pointing out that evangelical Protestants were actually predominantly pro-choice up until the late 20th century. Before that they believed that life began at birth, NOT at conception: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/30/my-take-when-evangelicals-were-pro-choice/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-dudley/how-evangelicals-decided-that-life-begins-at-conception_b_2072716.html
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Litany Unheard posted:And doesn't Davis's brand of Christianity consider Catholics to be Hell-bound idol worshipers? She doesn't even consider Baptists to be real Christians. That or she was just lying again when she said that she wasn't Christian when she went through all those marriages and divorces.
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For those who may not understand what lovely trick DWS is pulling for  please understand its not just about the number of debates. The dates are truly what matters. Check this out and you will understand just how much DWS and the DNC are really doing to make sure wins.
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ShadowCatboy posted:In regards to PP and abortion: I just came across a couple very interesting articles pointing out that evangelical Protestants were actually predominantly pro-choice up until the late 20th century. Before that they believed that life began at birth, NOT at conception: Yes, the main reason for the switch was that Catholics joined the pro-life movement and they don't like contraception. It was a compromise position that evolved into doctrine.
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Dalael posted:For those who may not understand what lovely trick DWS is pulling for Who is the second person depicted here? Also ugh JPG compression.
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Brannock posted:Who is the second person depicted here? Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, head of the DNC.
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