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Lamadrid posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMljR1M4smY The NFL doesn't want me to learn how much Al Davis owned, apparently. But I will try not to think of him as just the guy who went to the mat for Jamarcus Russell
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Ron Jeremy posted:Before this 40 years in the desert, the raiders had a winning record against every non-recent expansion team in the league except the chiefs. The Raiders as a franchise are still one of the winningest teams of all time.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:07
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computer parts posted:The Raiders as a franchise are still one of the winningest teams of all time. The Chargers beat the Raiders like 13 straight times during the Tomlinson era and still have a losing record against them by like 15 games
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Sep 29, 2015 22:15
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computer parts posted:The Raiders as a franchise are still one of the winningest teams of all time. They're 13th... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/
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Sep 29, 2015 23:21
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Seriously someone needs to do a thread about how baller al Davis was.Employed and drafted latinos and black people in the 60's,first Latino qb, first Latino coach, refused to go segregated hotels,lead the afl assault on the NFL and when he was hosed out of the commissioner's seat he embarked in a lifelong trolling performance and that's just his moral fiber.Motherfucker took the once a raider always a raider hard.He flew the best surgeon to take care of Matt millen's dad tears after he had stop playing for him. Al Davis motherfucking owns forever.
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Sep 30, 2015 04:04
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Also, I don't buy into the whole Al was senile toward the end bit. Go watch his loving awesome projector speech about Lane Kiffin. Dude had all his marbles right up til the end.
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Sep 30, 2015 04:39
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I may be an Al-apologist or whatever but I think Al Davis started making risky but not senile decisions near the end. Russell and McFadden and DHB in theory could have taken the league by storm if yknow, Jamarcus wasnt Jamarcus
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Sep 30, 2015 04:44
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Ron Jeremy posted:Also, I don't buy into the whole Al was senile toward the end bit. Go watch his loving awesome projector speech about Lane Kiffin. Dude had all his marbles right up til the end. He was really particular about some "interesting" things, and the whole concept of what he was doing there was kind of strange but it also owned. In conclusion, you're right
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Sep 30, 2015 04:46
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Senile or not, he really hosed the franchise the last 5 or so years of his life.
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Blitz7x posted:I may be an Al-apologist or whatever but I think Al Davis started making risky but not senile decisions near the end. Russell and McFadden and DHB in theory could have taken the league by storm if yknow, Jamarcus wasnt Jamarcus I get what you're saying and at a certain point you have to take a chance but all the warning signs were there with JaMarcus.
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Catfish Stevens posted:I get what you're saying and at a certain point you have to take a chance but all the warning signs were there with JaMarcus. If Jamarcus got drafted in 1972, the Raiders would've won 7 Super Bowls.
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Volkerball posted:If Jamarcus got drafted in 1972, the Raiders would've won 7 Super Bowls. And if my aunt had balls she might be my uncle.
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Sep 30, 2015 04:59
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If Jamarcus Russell was drafted in 1972 he would have been -13 years old Although that does sound like a better QB than real life Jamarcus
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Sep 30, 2015 05:03
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:And if my aunt had balls she might be my uncle. My point being the game kind of left Al behind in the end. DHB was such a physical specimen that nothing else mattered. Except he really wasn't that special as an athlete, and everything else did sort of matter. Nobody could stop Jamarcus hitting Branch deep, but defenses had evolved a bit since then, when it was just man coverage one on one and basic blitzes.
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Ross Angeles posted:Senile or not, he really hosed the franchise the last 5 or so years of his life. It went beyond the last five years, the team had to be financially burned down to be rebuilt but thank god Mark decided to let football people run things and even though he's made a few executive decisions, they've all been good and now we're kinda sorta looking like a good modern football organization, albeit one playing in the equivalent of a 12th century Inquisition keep ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:And if my aunt had balls she might be my uncle. speaking of aunts and uncles, how's Eddie's nephew doing?
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Sep 30, 2015 05:26
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Everyone drafts some real idiots eventually if they do it long enough. Al Davis owns, the raiders were stone cold killers.
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Blitz7x posted:I may be an Al-apologist or whatever but I think Al Davis started making risky but not senile decisions near the end. Russell and McFadden and DHB in theory could have taken the league by storm if yknow, Jamarcus wasnt Jamarcus Was McFadden really a risky pick? He obviously never lived up to potential or expectations, but I didn't think there were any red flags about him when he came out. Also, now that I live in Oakland, I really hope the Raiders don't move. (Though this opinion might change after I actually go to the Coliseum for the Packers game) Shrimpy fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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Shrimpy posted:Was McFadden really a risky pick? He obviously never lived up to potential or expectations, but I didn't think there were any red flags about him when he came out. He wasn't, hell McFadden made the Raiders watchable in 09 and 10
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McFadden was a bust, but it's in the Bust By Injury category which isn't a giant reflection on scouting or whatever
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I don't begrudge Al the JaMarcus pick at all. They absolutely had to have a QB at 1-1 and it isn't like there were any better options available in that draft. The best two players went #2 and #3 but who throws to Calvin Johnson if they took him, and who exactly would Joe Thomas have been blocking for?
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warcrimes posted:speaking of aunts and uncles, how's Eddie's nephew doing? He was banned from a meeting meant for men only, so we're back to the original metaphor.
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Sep 30, 2015 16:53
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Davis' biggest mistakes the last several years of his life were his coaches. He made some pretty terrible choices, starting with his decision to fire Gruden. Bill Callahan Norv Turner Art Shell Lane Kiffen Tom Cable Hue Jackson Really, since 1995, the Raiders haven't had a coach last longer than three years.
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Oct 1, 2015 14:35
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Hue Jackson actually owns at everything but management
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Oct 1, 2015 16:39
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Where would the Raiders be today if Al Davis hadn't fired Gruden?
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Brannock posted:Where would the Raiders be today if Al Davis hadn't fired Gruden? They traded him lol
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Brannock posted:Where would the Raiders be today if Al Davis hadn't fired Gruden? It's hard to imagine a Gruden led Raiders beating a Dungy led Bucs in the Super Bowl. But then, I don't think a Dungy led Bucs team would have even made it there.
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Oct 1, 2015 17:21
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Brannock posted:Where would the Raiders be today if Al Davis hadn't fired Gruden? Still poo poo because Gannon was still about to be done. That team was really really veteran dependent
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NC-17 posted:It's hard to imagine a Gruden led Raiders beating a Dungy led Bucs in the Super Bowl. But then, I don't think a Dungy led Bucs team would have even made it there. Going back to the tuck rule... had that call gone the other way, Chucky stays in Oakland. We win the superbowl that year and next. No churn of coaches, no 15 years of suckage.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Going back to the tuck rule... had that call gone the other way, Chucky stays in Oakland. We win the superbowl that year and next. No churn of coaches, no 15 years of suckage. How are you so sure you'd have won the AFCCG and Superbowl in 2001? The Rams were pretty good.
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Ross Angeles posted:How are you so sure you'd have won the AFCCG and Superbowl in 2001? The Rams were pretty good. 
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So were the Raiders. Gannon throwing the T Brown and Jerry Rice? Lawd have mercy... Pure Homer. I'm not sure, but I think so.
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I wish Vermeil wouldn't have moved across the state
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Ron Jeremy posted:Going back to the tuck rule... had that call gone the other way, Chucky stays in Oakland. We win the superbowl that year and next. No churn of coaches, no 15 years of suckage. How does keeping Gruden prevent a team full of old men from turning into dust?
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Ron Jeremy posted:So were the Raiders. Gannon throwing the T Brown and Jerry Rice? Lawd have mercy... The Rams had the best offense in the league. The Patriots beat them, but they had a very good offense and a very good scoring defense, while the Raiders were bottom third of the league in scoring defense. A Raiders/Rams superbowl in 2001 would have been like, 41-34
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Ross Angeles posted:Also New England cheated
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Ross Angeles posted:The Rams had the best offense in the league. The Patriots beat them, but they had a very good offense and a very good scoring defense, while the Raiders were bottom third of the league in scoring defense. The Pats didn't win because of scoring defense, they won because the secondary loving murdered people. Their offense wasn't even close to comparable to the Raiders. The defense killed all Warners receivers. Credit where it's due, they shut that poo poo down.
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Ron Jeremy posted:So were the Raiders. Gannon throwing the T Brown and Jerry Rice? Lawd have mercy... Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt were pretty good too, I guess?
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Volkerball posted:The Pats didn't win because of scoring defense, they won because the secondary loving murdered people. Their offense wasn't even close to comparable to the Raiders. The defense killed all Warners receivers. Credit where it's due, they shut that poo poo down. Yeah they played the receivers hard. But mostly the Patriots took Marshall Faulk away and said beat us down the field, and Mike Martz said no I want to beat you with Faulk and proceeded to lose a Super Bowl.
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