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A doubling of the population over 30 years isn't a huge annual increase. I think it'd be about twice what we take now.
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Open borders is not the threat to the core concept of a nation state that it's made out to be. But you can't just throw away the idea that a nation is bound by a common character which territorial integrity contributes towards. Nations are more than a useful political unit for governance.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:07 |
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It's probably worth making it clear what you actually mean when you say open borders. Like if you genuinely mean no border control whatsoever or just a different type of border control.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:11 |
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Open borders means literally anyone. No id requirement. All of society's undesirables, because if you start filtering out the rapists, assaulters, religious fundamentalists etc it's not open anymore is it?
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:16 |
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Well yeah, exactly. Would we still extradite people to face charges in other countries?
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:19 |
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:Auspol superstar ScreamingLlama likes whisper porn aka ASMR and also the Democrats. If no one else got the thread up, I was gonna inflict an Undertale-themed thread on you all. I couldn't get it ready in time, but this was gonna be the pic for the Democrats:
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:27 |
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Amethyst posted:I am not melting down. It is you, who are the one who is having a meltdown. Please stop freaking out.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:34 |
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open24hours posted:Well yeah, exactly. Well in this example open borders is the manifestation of individual freedom of movement. If you are going to put that *personal* freedom on a pedestal then it trumps mere national interests such as accused people facing prosecution. I guess further. Open borders tells you that you can come in. It doesn't say anything about what happens once you are inside the border beyond a bare right to remain. A country can have open borders but still require people to get a permit if they want to work, register to pay tax, etc.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:47 |
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Bifauxnen posted:If no one else got the thread up, I was gonna inflict an Undertale-themed thread on you all. I couldn't get it ready in time, but this was gonna be the pic for the Democrats: do it next thread! edit: oh I quite forgot, thanks to Amethyst the Melty for reminding me, here's a new improved version especially for him and his little friends! IRC UP #auspol on synIRC and because some of you don’t know how to bookmark URLS here’s the IRC webclient link! IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT IRC If you're thinking about joining us on #auspol, let me explain a few things so you aren't surprised:
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open24hours posted:A doubling of the population over 30 years isn't a huge annual increase. I think it'd be about twice what we take now. Yeah, I thought we were talking about bringing refugees in so I also assumed we meant a short period of time. Over the space of 30 years we could easily absorb 10 million, that's just a few hundred thousand a year. That's probably what we already take, given the amount of temporary students and workers and stuff.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:53 |
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quote:Australia can't afford to burst housing bubble as wave of Chinese money looms http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-cant-afford-to-burst-housing-bubble-as-wave-of-chinese-money-looms-20151001-gjysne.html
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:23 |
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Some More Hotcakes posted:Mr Abbott also warned his successor against raising the GST, predicting such a move would be a "terrible mistake".
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:29 |
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10% is a nice round number for a GST, I suggest increasing it to 13.96% for reasons
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:32 |
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Negligent posted:10% is a nice round number for a GST, I suggest increasing it to 13.96% for reasons 14.88%
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:33 |
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ewe2 posted:In other crybaby news, big business is trying on the kidnap excuse for tax avoidance, but it's part of a bigger picture, says Jeffrey Knapp in a crosspost from The Conversation: You'd think for people worried about being kidnapped that they would avoid talking about it in public. Some bright spark might think that it's actually a good idea. Wikipedia has a list of famous kidnappings and it turns out of the 5 Australians that were kidnapped, 2 were children, 1 woman, 1 faked and 1 winner of the opera house lottery in 1960. You'd think a wealthy businessperson would get a mention
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:35 |
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They just don't want a repeat of this http://www.smh.com.au/world/daughter-of-wealthy-german-businessman-killed-in-botched-kidnapping-20150818-gj2by8.html
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:36 |
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open24hours posted:They just don't want a repeat of this http://www.smh.com.au/world/daughter-of-wealthy-german-businessman-killed-in-botched-kidnapping-20150818-gj2by8.html If only the well-known businessman didn't have to disclose his corporate tax payments the kidnappers would never have known he was rich and that young girl may still be alive today :smdh:
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:45 |
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open24hours posted:They just don't want a repeat of this http://www.smh.com.au/world/daughter-of-wealthy-german-businessman-killed-in-botched-kidnapping-20150818-gj2by8.html Yeah. I'm sure that's exactly it. To avoid a repeat of a thing that happened a month and a half ago.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:46 |
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So they are worried about some German serial ransomers setting up shop in Australia? As far as legislation for your political donors goes, this is some very selective reasoning.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:46 |
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It's the same reason they're against open borders.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:49 |
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I have a better idea: how about we start an educational program for wannabe kidnappers so they would know how to do it successfully and get away with it, so they don't make incredibly stupid mistakes such as showing your face to your captive victim and training on how not to leave DNA evidence? That way kidnappers will feel safe enough so that when people are willing to pay the ransom, they can accept it instead of killing the hostage out of fear. Tokamak posted:So they are worried about some German serial ransomers setting up shop in Australia? As far as legislation for your political donors goes, this is some very selective reasoning. No, they've been agitating for this law change for far longer than that poor girl has been dead.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:50 |
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Malcolm Turnbull disputes claim of Liberal party exodus Prime minister Malcolm Turnbull is asked to respond to Senator Eric Abetz’s claim that ‘hundreds of branch members are resigning from the Liberal party’ because of the leadership coup. Speaking reporters at Parliament House in Canberra, Turnbull says he does not want to ‘comment on party matters’ but also that the party membership is ‘very happy with the transition’ video http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2015/oct/01/malcolm-turnbull-disputes-liberal-party-resignations-eric-abetz-video
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:54 |
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No one wants to kidnap Gina. Not even her family wants her back, so the ransom will go unpaid.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:55 |
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Lid posted:http://www.theguardian.com/australi...-getting-bigger I quite like this part of the development tho: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/paul-keatings-vision-for-the-headland-park-at-barangaroo-20150821-gj4hg9.html
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:57 |
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Tommofork posted:No, they've been agitating for this law change for far longer than that poor girl has been dead. There's always a loophole somewhere. But hey, it's another externality they can charge to the taxpayer, amounting to involuntary kidnapping insurance. That's of course on top of the very real kidnapping insurance they take out as a matter of corporate due diligence so you see how fair all this is.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:59 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-cant-afford-to-burst-housing-bubble-as-wave-of-chinese-money-looms-20151001-gjysne.html We're running out of interest rate cuts and China is clamping down on money leaving so I am not sure how the Government is going to keep the bubble going
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:59 |
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my stepdads beer posted:We're running out of interest rate cuts and China is clamping down on money leaving so I am not sure how the Government is going to keep the bubble going Are they still kicking around the idea of letting people buy homes to live in with super? That'll probably keep it going for a while.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:29 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-cant-afford-to-burst-housing-bubble-as-wave-of-chinese-money-looms-20151001-gjysne.html This seems like a stupid argument, having a bubble in the economy isn't good just because it happens to be the lone area of growth. Eventually the bubble will burst and then won't that be a great outcome for the economy. You know, if they took away the breaks for negative gearing and capital gains, they could cool down the market whilst also raising precious budget revenue....
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:31 |
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Night Shade posted:Are they still kicking around the idea of letting people buy homes to live in with super? That'll probably keep it going for a while. That was a Hockey Special and I don't think we'll see it again
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:33 |
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But ~10% of the voting population negative gear! My precious votes!
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:34 |
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Looks like Tony ripped a big one.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:48 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-cant-afford-to-burst-housing-bubble-as-wave-of-chinese-money-looms-20151001-gjysne.html THE YELLOW MAN COMETH
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:49 |
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Looks like AFP Commissioner Tony Negus has a firm grasp of which party is in power. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/01/bronwyn-bishop-will-not-face-charges-over-helicopter-flights Letting Bronnie off the hook for 5000$ while killing Peter Slipper for a mere few hundred. gently caress da police yo.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:50 |
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I'm not posting it in here, it's backburner and they deserve the click. Anti-Abortion Campaigner Furious at Government Removing His Right To Choose
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:52 |
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Can someone with a Crikey sub post these? Rundle on Abbott (again) - http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/10/01/rundle-abbott-all-too-human-completely-undone/ Editorial on business lobby whingeing about wages and penalty rates - http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=517362
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:56 |
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Wait you mean after financing the construction of cheaply made, overpriced apartments in China, creating an artificial supply that's resulted in a tonne of empty blocks, those same investors are now looking to finance apartments in Australia Working is for schmucks, property development is the best gig ever.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:57 |
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Did I hear the green shoots of a discussion about a housing bubble????
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 08:00 |
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Clive palmer wanted to be a lawyer when he was a kid but the world forced him to go into real estate and then mining. Australian capitalism rewards people who can look at an empty space of wilderness and think to themselves yep, can make bulk cash by ruining this
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 08:00 |
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Negligent posted:Clive palmer wanted to be a lawyer when he was a kid but the world forced him to go into real estate and then mining.
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So what does this mean for Tony's leadership ambitions? http://www.smh.com.au/comment/so-thats-it-for-abbott-in-canberra-dont-bet-on-it-20151001-gjyx45.html quote:For the time being, Abbott says he has no immediate plans and will not decide "this side of Christmas" whether to stay in parliament, and seek a frontbench position.
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