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pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
I think he would want to be in the debate on the 13th, so earlier than that really. Failing that (and maybe that's honestly a good move, let the 2 big dogs show their weaknesses), he would want to file by November 6 to be on the ballot in every state.

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AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord

AARP LARPer has issued a correction as of 01:47 on Jan 23, 2016

A Time To Chill
Feb 26, 2007

I look forward to Biden finding a way to both run and not run at the same time, thus ruining us all.

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
When was the last time an actually serious candidate decided to declare this late in the game?

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord

AARP LARPer has issued a correction as of 01:47 on Jan 23, 2016

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Gyges posted:

How much of a window is even left for Biden to declare at this point?

As far as PredictIt is concerned? 3 months
As far as still being able to be considered serious? 2 weeks TOPS. Ideally right now so he has a few news cycles to work with in order to frame issues for the debate.
As far as him actually having a plan to run for president and win? Months ago

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Do Not Resuscitate posted:

I remember Fred Thomson was pretty late. I looked it up: September 6.


EDIT
John Edwards: September 16
Wesley Clark: September 16

EDIT EDIT
McCain (in 2000 race): September 27

Fred Thomson was not a serious candidate. He was only in it to help his buddy McCain keep the Huckster at bay.

Edit: Official announcement dates are kind of non-germane though. McCain, Clark, and Edwards were all officially unofficially running already. Biden hasn't actually done anything yet other than officially commit to thinking about it. Even Clinton's October announcement in '91 doesn't really count since he'd been setting it up since somewhere around '89.

Gyges has issued a correction as of 00:31 on Oct 1, 2015

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

At least BidenRun showed some movement today. My portolio has almost reached its post-Greek Referendum high.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/255585-report-biden-to-skip-first-dem-debate

:siren: IT'S A SIGN HE'S BUYING MORE TIME UNTIL HE JUMPS IN :siren:

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

This is highly disappointing. You're supposed to first tell everyone that you'll be at the debate, then later send out a second notice that you meant you'd be in the audience because you love debates. Come on, Joe.

I do hope the Biden Market crashes back down on the NO. I forgot I had a sell offer in on half my shares, so I'm down to only 500 NO.

Flambeau
Aug 5, 2015
Plaster Town Cop
Rasmussen called me last night... I answered questions for 8 minutes before just hanging up.
I wonder if they still use results from incomplete surveys

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
When you sell your shares, does it just sell the oldest shares first or use some other criteria?

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
They use FIFO for all transactions so your oldest will be sold first.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Well I just went up 20% overnight. Dunno if I should hold onto my McCarthy YES and Biden NO, they're about 80% of my portfolio right now and may be inflated.

As I spoke, someone spiked Biden NO from .54 to .58 for no reason and I got out.

i say swears online has issued a correction as of 18:22 on Oct 1, 2015

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
Good call, that's probably today's ceiling on Biden. If you don't mind waiting until the end of the year, though, he's not running.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

I still think that too; if I can buy in at YES .42-ish I'll ride that coaster. It looks like the numbers are pretty 'soft', they have very few bets separating each cent and could fluctuate more.

i say swears online has issued a correction as of 18:47 on Oct 1, 2015

tinstaach
Aug 3, 2010

MAGNetic AttITUDE


I would imagine that BIDENRUN No's will rise significantly in a few weeks after he misses the first debate.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

tinstaach posted:

I would imagine that BIDENRUN No's will rise significantly in a few weeks after he misses the first debate.

Yeah there's still tons and tons of room for Nos to go up. Really depends on your timeline

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
Looking at the trend and trying to read the tea leaves of the comments, it looks like no is probably going to slowly sink back to around where it was at the beginning of the day. Some Yes people probably tried to liquidate shares as soon as it came out Biden wasn't going to be in the debate. Turns out they didn't need to panic since people are just pushing the price back up to where it was.

The equilibrium of the Biden market is in the range of 60-70 Yes, 30-40 No. Which is real nice if you feel some level of certainty that Biden isn't jumping in. I think I've actually made more off the Biden market than any other on the site. Buy in at 30 something, sell around 60, repeat. Each day makes his jumping in less likely but the market seems determined to deny this.

A Time To Chill
Feb 26, 2007

I managed to get out of Biden NO around its peak at 0.59. Might buy back in if it does get back into the 0.30s.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

In other news, I bought into GOP NO on winning the KY governor's race. It's happening next month and Bevin is shooting himself in the foot at every opportunity so I think it's a lock.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Aliquid posted:

In other news, I bought into GOP NO on winning the KY governor's race. It's happening next month and Bevin is shooting himself in the foot at every opportunity so I think it's a lock.

Odd year Governor elections are weird and states not on the even number bandwagon should feel bad about themselves.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Gyges posted:

Odd year Governor elections are weird and states not on the even number bandwagon should feel bad about themselves.

Agreed, Virginia in particular sucks at that.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Gyges posted:

Looking at the trend and trying to read the tea leaves of the comments, it looks like no is probably going to slowly sink back to around where it was at the beginning of the day. Some Yes people probably tried to liquidate shares as soon as it came out Biden wasn't going to be in the debate. Turns out they didn't need to panic since people are just pushing the price back up to where it was.

The equilibrium of the Biden market is in the range of 60-70 Yes, 30-40 No. Which is real nice if you feel some level of certainty that Biden isn't jumping in. I think I've actually made more off the Biden market than any other on the site. Buy in at 30 something, sell around 60, repeat. Each day makes his jumping in less likely but the market seems determined to deny this.

God I hope you're right. I missed out on the 40c range waiting on the site to pay out on my last bet and I really don't want to have to buy at 55c or whatever.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice
Biden is volatile enough to make some money, because he isn't going to run so just always buy NO for low and sell it higher.

I want to bet on the Majority Leader market though, because I have no idea who is going to win and neither does anyone else.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Biden NO didn't drop at all today, just a quick dip this afternoon around 50/50.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
I don't remember why I'm so sure Biden won't run, but I'm sticking to it.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Vox Nihili posted:

God I hope you're right. I missed out on the 40c range waiting on the site to pay out on my last bet and I really don't want to have to buy at 55c or whatever.

We are getting later in the year so it might not pop all the way back, that's a possibility. However look at the market over the last 90 days:


That's crazy for a market where the only notable events are some guy yelling about Biden running while on a train and Biden not showing up for a debate.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
I'm not gonna put any more money in that I already have but with him bowing out I'm pretty sure he's a solid 'No' barring Hillary having a heart attack or something

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice
I'm pretty sure YES Biden just jumped up 5 cents because someone posted this video lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ODioax-0J8

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
Oh God I just had a terrible idea. Make 10 YouTube accounts have them all very "Deepthroat in a parking garage-y" each one predicting a different outcome, the ones whose predictions fail you delete their accounts until you have one shadow man who has like 10 straight predictions and then you can manipulate the markets at will.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
Man, the Biden comments are kind of fun to read. Just insane conspiracy theory level thinking from both sides. Biden Will/Won't run and no matter what fact/info is put out it supports their side. It is very much like in 2008 when no matter what happened it was GOOD FOR HILLARY CLINTON.

For instance unions rethinking their early endorsements of Clinton has nothing to do with that socialist guy doing well in the polls right now, it's clearly all about Biden.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Stereotype posted:

I'm pretty sure YES Biden just jumped up 5 cents because someone posted this video lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ODioax-0J8

This is the best of all possible worlds

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

I'm starting to feel Rubio YES is overvalued

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008
Got a big pile of Biden No at 43, probably sticking with it now.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
I love how every article moving the market is nothing but anonymous sources. Hopefully this swing will burn through another 3.5k or so shares to my next buy point.

This is late as gently caress to jump into the race. He could still do it, but drat Yes guys are bullish for some questionable reasons.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

Vox Nihili posted:

Got a big pile of Biden No at 43, probably sticking with it now.

I was playing with the volatility on Friday and have a bunch of 51c NOs :( Now they look dumb.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
Yeah I wonder if they'll resolve the market when he says thanks but no or if they're going to hold onto it until the end of the year like they planned. And gently caress you guys who got cheap shares, I paid 54 for mine :(

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
If the other markets are anything to go by they'll leave it open until Jan 1st. Walker's markets are all still open and he's dead in the water.

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Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

pathetic little tramp posted:

Yeah I wonder if they'll resolve the market when he says thanks but no or if they're going to hold onto it until the end of the year like they planned. And gently caress you guys who got cheap shares, I paid 54 for mine :(

Well you can buy under 50 now if you want. We're about 900 shares away from dipping below 40.

Necc0 posted:

If the other markets are anything to go by they'll leave it open until Jan 1st. Walker's markets are all still open and he's dead in the water.

Only the ones where he's part of the field. Individual markets and the previous who will drop out first are gone. If Biden officially says he's not in, the market will likely resolve.

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