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Laserface posted:Im pretty certain the only reason Codeine is sold with paracetamol/Ibuprofen is because Codeine is way better for you and does a better job (while also being addictive if abused) so they put it with something else that might kill you if you have too much of it to try and prevent people doing so. The dose of codeine is sub therapeutic for pain relief, but high enough for constipation. I can't believe the paracetamol and ibuprofen would be put there as a deterrent, it's unethical as poo poo, liver and kidney failure is rather extreme. More likely they made a bad call in permitting this formulation, and we now know better.
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xPanda posted:The dose of codeine is sub therapeutic for pain relief, but high enough for constipation. I can't believe the paracetamol and ibuprofen would be put there as a deterrent, it's unethical as poo poo, liver and kidney failure is rather extreme. More likely they made a bad call in permitting this formulation, and we now know better. I'm pretty sure I specifically remember them saying that companies were required to do this so that people couldn't abuse the drug. As in that is the whole reason it happened in the first place.
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there's been some research to suggest codeine and paracetamol can be effective when used together to treat pain, but absolutely the main reason they're sold otc together is so people can have access to codeine while making it difficult to abuse (without damaging your liver with the paracetamol). It's a dumbass system that has definitely caused more harm than preventing a few junkies getting their fix would ever be worth. legalise all drugs
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Oct 2, 2015 00:47
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This is all very silly. No one put paracetamol and ibuprofen in codeine to make it dangerous. Both paracetamol and ibufprofen are effective in treating common low level pain. Oh and paracetamol is not an NSAID. A lot of bullshit being thrown around in this argument with very little relation to fact.
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Oh man, this just made me realize how dangerous Abbott is right now. He was relentless and dangerous as opposition leader, never letting the fact he had no facts get in the way, and he was remarkably effective at it. Now he's back out of power. And clearly holding a grudge.
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xPanda posted:The dose of codeine is sub therapeutic for pain relief, but high enough for constipation. I can't believe the paracetamol and ibuprofen would be put there as a deterrent, it's unethical as poo poo, liver and kidney failure is rather extreme. More likely they made a bad call in permitting this formulation, and we now know better. It is put in as a deterrent. Codeine + paracetamol/ibuprofen is schedule 3, which means it's OTC. Codeine only is Schedule 8, which means they need a prescription and often need to be authorised by a specialist. quote:Schedule 8 (S8) drugs and poisons, otherwise known as 'Controlled Drugs', are substances and preparations for therapeutic use which have high potential for abuse and addiction.
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Paracetamol and Ibuprofen were mixed with codeine so second year chemistry students could do acid/base extractions as lab experiments.
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Amoeba102 posted:Paracetamol and Ibuprofen were mixed with codeine so second year chemistry students could do acid/base extractions as lab experiments. Couldn't they just go to bush doofs. It's how normal people get their acid and bass experiments done.
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No speedos 0/10. Actually it's beautiful and I think the baby Bernardi is nursing is a nod towards him splitting off to form his own new party. Cleretic posted:Oh man, this just made me realize how dangerous Abbott is right now. He was relentless and dangerous as opposition leader, never letting the fact he had no facts get in the way, and he was remarkably effective at it. Yeah he was dangerous because hardly anyone called him on his bullshit and as opposition leader he had no real responsibilities other than to kick, scream and point fingers which is what he does best. I am so hoping he does more of this "I'm not complain but..." or "I'm not sniping but..." The cutest part about it is I think Abbott is so dumb he doesn't actually realize he's sniping. He's the kind of person that thinks prefacing a sentence with, "No offense intended but" actually means something.
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I thought that was Kevin Andrews nursing the baby.
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xPanda posted:The dose of codeine is sub therapeutic for pain relief, but high enough for constipation. I can't believe the paracetamol and ibuprofen would be put there as a deterrent, it's unethical as poo poo, liver and kidney failure is rather extreme. More likely they made a bad call in permitting this formulation, and we now know better. You know I've always wondered why they even bother with 500mg / 8mg preparations. Not too sure about any synergystic effects between the two. Also, are you a pharmacist? The dosage instructions on tablet packets seem to be kind of dumb. Who are they for? Because I imagine there's some standard model, and the analgesic dosage for a 50kg person is probably not the same as a 90kg person. On a lot of baby medicines they have a mL / kilogram kind of thing going on, which seems like a better way to dose (something like one tablet per 30kgs body weight). Why don't they do this? Genuinely curious about this. Anecdotally, if I use codeine at all, I have 3 tablets of 12.8mg and 1.5g paracetamol which seems to work quite well, better than 2 tablets or paracetamol alone (maybe placebo?), and my GP seemed ok with it.
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Tommofork posted:Yeah he was dangerous because hardly anyone called him on his bullshit and as opposition leader he had no real responsibilities other than to kick, scream and point fingers which is what he does best. Once the Murdoch press is over it's conniption they'll either have to start pointing out his bullshit or let him undermine the LNP.
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Unimpressed posted:I thought that was Kevin Andrews nursing the baby. Amoeba102 posted:Yeah gotta be Andrews, check the hair and ears. I'm not entirely convinced, I'd need to study Pope's depictions of Andrews/Bernardi in his previous works. But you're both way more likely to be right given that Andrews and Abetz got booted from their portfolios and I'm just being dumb. QUACKTASTIC posted:Once the Murdoch press is over it's conniption they'll either have to start pointing out his bullshit or let him undermine the LNP. I never thought I'd say this but you should read Bolt's subarticle from the Herald Sun yesterday. He goes off his nut that the ABC must be feeling safe with Turnbull in charge, and specifically goes after Q&A because they had three left wing and two right wing panelists according to Bolt, and because Tony Jones remarked that people are speculating that Bernardi would form his own party, and jokingly called it, "Cory Bernardi’s Golden Dawn". And wow does he cry a lot.
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Inge posted:You know I've always wondered why they even bother with 500mg / 8mg preparations. Not too sure about any synergystic effects between the two. The dosing has a big safety margin built into it. Last time we went overseas, we were in Spain and bought some generic Ibuprofen. It came as single 600mg pills which is 1.5 times the recommended 2x200mg dose we have here. I asked my wife (she's the one who actually knows what I'm writing about) and she said it was perfectly safe. Also, most medication is given using ml/kg in a hospital setting but it's deemed too hard for the general population. There's no choice but to do it with babies since there's such a huge variance in weights (i.e. a 90kg person weighs only about 30% more than a 70kg person, but a 10kg baby is twice the weight of a 5kg one and that difference can happen in a few months not to mention it's a baby. Fact is that even with those safety margins, paracetamol overdoses are common and in many cases life threatening.
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Cleretic posted:Oh man, this just made me realize how dangerous Abbott is right now. He was relentless and dangerous as opposition leader, never letting the fact he had no facts get in the way, and he was remarkably effective at it. we call this "doing a Rudd" Gillard lasted three years, be interesting to see how long Turnbull can hold on for
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Anidav posted:Lmao the Australian Border Force logo and flags are all over Brisbane International Airport. Are they the A-Team or something? HookShot posted:Did you have to go through separate, extra security in Brisbane where they re-scan all of your laptops and poo poo a second, more annoying time because BORDER FORCE like they do at Coolangatta? Speaking of productivity. Remember kiddies everytime a muppet like Westacott bleats about increasing productivity :  Well that and the most clearly obvious way to drastically improve productivity in Australia is to improve the performance of executives, middle managers and managers. Full details here: https://thisisseriouscom.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/the-gist/ -/- Now I don't think we can look forward to another LNP face plant like last month to save this thread so can we please try to keep a little signal inside the noise? tia. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-02/cassidy-abbotts-self-indulgent-and-damaging-farewell-radio-tour/6820304 The flames are all long gone But the pain lingers on http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/cut-abbott-some-slack-cormann/story-fn3dxiwe-1227553364313 quote:Cut Abbott some slack: Cormann AAP OCTOBER 02, 2015 8:22AM  "I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm out of this load of rubbish over a number of months."  I shouldn't be getting such a kick out of this should I.
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SeekOtherCandidate posted:we call this "doing a Rudd" Rudd was reasonably popular though. No one likes Abbott except for people like Abbott, who are a minority in the public and in the party. After Rudd was knifed everyone seemed a bit shocked, they just seem relieved this time.
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Unimpressed posted:The dosing has a big safety margin built into it. Last time we went overseas, we were in Spain and bought some generic Ibuprofen. It came as single 600mg pills which is 1.5 times the recommended 2x200mg dose we have here. I asked my wife (she's the one who actually knows what I'm writing about) and she said it was perfectly safe. Also, most medication is given using ml/kg in a hospital setting but it's deemed too hard for the general population. There's no choice but to do it with babies since there's such a huge variance in weights (i.e. a 90kg person weighs only about 30% more than a 70kg person, but a 10kg baby is twice the weight of a 5kg one and that difference can happen in a few months not to mention it's a baby. Fact is that even with those safety margins, paracetamol overdoses are common and in many cases life threatening. Yeah I totally get that, and maybe I'm putting too much faith in the basic arithmetic skills of Australians.
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Unimpressed posted:The dosing has a big safety margin built into it. Last time we went overseas, we were in Spain and bought some generic Ibuprofen. It came as single 600mg pills which is 1.5 times the recommended 2x200mg dose we have here. I asked my wife (she's the one who actually knows what I'm writing about) and she said it was perfectly safe. Also, most medication is given using ml/kg in a hospital setting but it's deemed too hard for the general population. There's no choice but to do it with babies since there's such a huge variance in weights (i.e. a 90kg person weighs only about 30% more than a 70kg person, but a 10kg baby is twice the weight of a 5kg one and that difference can happen in a few months not to mention it's a baby. Fact is that even with those safety margins, paracetamol overdoses are common and in many cases life threatening. Inge posted:Yeah I totally get that, and maybe I'm putting too much faith in the basic arithmetic skills of Australians. Yeah, you wouldn't believe how many people poison their children when they have to measure stuff for the child's weight. I doesn't seem to always be poor arithmetic skills, sometimes it's confusing measuring instruments. I'm shocked at how many syringes simply have unit-less numbers as their measure, and the "full" volume of the syringe written somewhere else on it. For instance, I've seen 3mL synringes with markings which are simply integers from 1 to 10. My scientific training makes me think that the markings are tenths of 3mL (a stupid interval) but the public will look at it and see intervals of 1mL - which is exactly in line with their prior experience. Stuff like that is why what is called 'pharmacy practice' is so important, because all the science in the world is useless if people can't use it. It's unfortunate that so many researchers look down on it, because it can have such a large impact on quality of care. Also, I hope everyone keeps in mind that pharmacists are the people who prevent doctors from killing you with drugs. Pharmacists learn for years what doctors spend a semester on, so they're absolutely essential. All moves to turn pharmacies into shopping markets must be resisted - Chemists Warehouse is the one of the worst things to happen to the industry in recent times. When a pharmacist has to process a script every 20 seconds they won't be able to provide the counseling that is needed.
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Post your favorite Abbott quotes ITT. I can't find mine, but it's the one where he refers to carbon dioxide as a "invisible, odourless, weightless, tasteless substance".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA-zsXRJw0M
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open24hours posted:Rudd was reasonably popular though. No one likes Abbott except for people like Abbott, who are a minority in the public and in the party. After Rudd was knifed everyone seemed a bit shocked, they just seem relieved this time. Labor tried too hard to protect Rudd that the public never saw his failures. Malcolm was smart enough to give Abbott enough rope to hang himself.
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"No one, however smart, however well educated, however experienced, is the suppository of all wisdom."
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Starshark posted:Post your favorite Abbott quotes ITT. I can't find mine, but it's the one where he refers to carbon dioxide as a "invisible, odourless, weightless, tasteless substance". "Good government starts today"
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You Am I posted:"Good government starts today" Wait was he talking about today? Oh god no wonder he was so hopeless, he was ousted merer days before good government started. The ironiony.
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"What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing..." "a little body contact’ never hurt anyone" (to a group of young netball playing women) "Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia."
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"A bad boss is a bit like a bad husband or bad father..."
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"poo poo happens."
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Starshark posted:Post your favorite Abbott quotes ITT. I can't find mine, but it's the one where he refers to carbon dioxide as a "invisible, odourless, weightless, tasteless substance". "ermmm uhhhuh aahhhuh aaaaaaaah mmmmmee"
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MonoAus posted:"ermmm uhhhuh aahhhuh aaaaaaaah mmmmmee" Only, because it's Tony we're talking about here, it goes: "ermmm uhhhuh aahhhuh aaaaaaaah mmmmmee. ermmm uhhhuh aahhhuh aaaaaaaah mmmmmee.ermmm uhhhuh aahhhuh aaaaaaaah mmmmmee."
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Starshark posted:Post your favorite Abbott quotes ITT. I can't find mine, but it's the one where he refers to carbon dioxide as a "invisible, odourless, weightless, tasteless substance". *silently bobbleheads for sixty seconds*
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"Well I guess poo poo happens..." Edit E;F;B
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I'm not contributing anything because the man was a monster, an ideologue, a zealot and someone who was so brittle he could not bend. I genuinely hope he continues to shoot down the government and becomes the worlds biggest hypocrite before somehow shooting himself in the back of the head six times, sticking his own body into a bag and chucking himself into the river.
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Starshark posted:Post your favorite Abbott quotes ITT. I can't find mine, but it's the one where he refers to carbon dioxide as a "invisible, odourless, weightless, tasteless substance". quote:"I know politicians are going to be judged on everything they say, but sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark. Also his time during the Republic debate in the 90s where his main argument was that politicians shouldn't be trusted.
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