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GoneWithTheTornado posted:The Awl recently put out an article about the dork enlightment, with emphasis on Nick Land: http://www.theawl.com/2015/09/good-luck-to-human-kind It's kind of hard to build a popular movement if your ideology openly hates popular movements and the people in general. If you want the future of right-wing nuts, look at Jobbik. Also if Nick Land ever got his wish, the joke would be on him as his AI dream fails to pan out due to the limitations of real technology, and global warming dick-slaps humanity back into a possibly permanent 18th century. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 15:16 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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Gangolf Job may not be my absolutely favourite NRx, but I still want to nominate him for something. NRx of the month, do we have that?quote:TREEFINDER computes phylogenetic trees from molecular sequences. Via Slashdot. Red-pilled as gently caress, isn't he? Edit: DO check out his reasons, at least for the awesome dark blue on black text. Truly dark enlightenment. Edit2: Also, his photos. Everything about this guy is great. Cingulate has a new favorite as of 15:00 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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Cingulate posted:Gangolf Job may not be my absolutely favourite NRx, but I still want to nominate him for something. NRx of the month, do we have that? Oh God it's Treefinder, I was wondering what happened to that dude. I got regular mails from him on my old university account back in 2006. Apparently he sent it to all students in Germany or something, that poo poo was always hilarious. The guy is crazy, and not the good kind of crazy. His mails were always these huge rambling rants that went on for hundreds of pages. I never read them but always took a glimpse, and every piece of it was completely crazy, like fractal insanity. From what I gathered he wanted to create a program to automatically create classifications of species based on genetics, which is cool and also good. Unfortunately funding got cut, and he went off the deep, deep end. He was rambling and raving about how it made no sense he had to pay rent to someone just for owning the house, how it was stupid that his research wasn't just funded, no questions asked, before making a swift turn and stipulating that every family in Germany should have its own plot of land to grow their own food, in order to be more independent on a national level. As you can see from the quote, he has some really interesting combinations of nationalism and socialism in there. A form of national socialism, if you will.
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Race Realists posted:I wish, desperately, for Race Realism/Human Biodiversity/Dark Enlightenment to reach mainstream culture, only to see it get called out as the Pseudo-Intellectual bullshit that it all is
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Race Realists posted:but dont you know, not being able to be a total piece of poo poo in public is "Just like 1984" It isn't even not being able to be a total piece of poo poo, it's not being able to be a total piece of poo poo and expect everybody around you to clap you on the back and tell you "Well done!" Nobody's actually stopping them from being pieces of poo poo, it's just that these self-styled rebels are enormous pansies without the basic backbone to stand up to social disapproval.
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GoneWithTheTornado posted:The Awl recently put out an article about the dork enlightment, with emphasis on Nick Land: http://www.theawl.com/2015/09/good-luck-to-human-kind that article had a link that led to this http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/06/curtis_yarvin_booted_from_strange_loop_it_s_a_big_big_problem.html quote:The Curious Case of Mencius Moldbug
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Race Realists posted:that article had a link that led to this If it's hypocritical to boot Yarvin out of a tech conference then I need to reexamine my opinion on hypocrisy.
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BoingBoing covers theawl article and, unlike theawl, acknowledges the RW article they cribbed from.
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Heresiarch posted:If it's hypocritical to boot Yarvin out of a tech conference then I need to reexamine my opinion on hypocrisy. Any exclusion of reactionaries is silencing and abuse, and as progs are silencers and abusers, any exclusions of progs is just pre-emptive defense.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Any exclusion of reactionaries is silencing and abuse, and as progs are silencers and abusers, any exclusions of progs is just pre-emptive defense.
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today's ramble about why moldbug sucks written for tumblr so all in tumblr poetry lower case thus not copy'n'pasted here fight oppression fellow sjws [steven universe fanart.jpg]
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Genetic Fallacy is these people's backbone, basically.
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Well if it was really about code then someone could have just called in a school shooting threat, it shuts up those anti-GG women rq and no ethical grey area to worry about right
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Nessus posted:Oh, so it's the ol' truism that only right wing political speech is valid, eh Hang on while I type up a hundred page treatise on how left wing speech is actually irrational noise created by the Cathedral's neotenic memeplex
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That article about Nick Land makes me want to ask him why people shouldn't support the Cathedral since, if you actually follow his worldview to its logical conclusion, it's in the self-interest of 99% of humanity to support it, stand by it, and defend it to the death. (presupposing that any of it is true, which it is not) The cybernetic neoreaction future will take away your political voice, appoint a corporate dictatorship over you, replace your role in society with an AI, and throw you away like so much dead weight. Please do not support the people that are working to stop this, that's irrational. Come to think of it, his political philosophy sounds like the plot of a video game...but in that video game the Cathedral would be the good guys. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 05:12 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Woolie Wool posted:That article about Nick Land makes me want to ask him why people shouldn't support the Cathedral since, if you actually follow his worldview to its logical conclusion, it's in the self-interest of 99% of humanity to support it, stand by it, and defend it to the death. (presupposing that any of it is true, which it is not) Well, you see, 99% of humanity are not the nerd techlords, so their opinion does not matter. Neoreaction is an ideology by nerd for nerds, it's not supposed to offer anything for non-nerds. Non-nerds are the enemy to be overcome by the rational, super-intelligent nerd-elite who will rule with a strict but fair hand. But you are right, it is straight of a movie-plot where the bad guys want nothing less than WORLD DOMINATION.
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To be fair, convincing Americans to support things that are directly opposed to their own economic interests and personal safety is not terribly difficult if you frame things in the right way.
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Woolie Wool posted:That article about Nick Land makes me want to ask him why people shouldn't support the Cathedral since, if you actually follow his worldview to its logical conclusion, it's in the self-interest of 99% of humanity to support it, stand by it, and defend it to the death. (presupposing that any of it is true, which it is not) It's irrational because Land argues that it can't be stopped, no matter what, so we should just try to burn as brightly as possible in our dying moments when the machines finally replace us. It's nihilistic accelerationism, with a singularitian twist!
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Merdifex posted:You're taking the neoteny thing out of context. Wesley originally used it to refer to a supposed culture which likes cupcakes or something. Biology had little to do with it. Mostly stupidity and impotent rage. Is it based on this great essay about 'cupcake fascism'? Because it seems to be written by a socialist, or somebody on the Left. https://infinitelyfullofhope.wordpress.com/2013/06/22/cupcakefascism/ Hate Fibration posted:Yes. For example, one of the things held up as an example of 'Neoteny Culture' was... Somebody please link the source for this, then send it to John Darnielle. Nobody articulates the dark psyches of frustrated nerds like he does, and I'd love to see what he'd make of NrX. Count Chocula has a new favorite as of 10:57 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Count Chocula posted:Is it based on this great essay about 'cupcake fascism'? Because it seems to be written by a socialist, or somebody on the Left. https://infinitelyfullofhope.wordpress.com/2013/06/22/cupcakefascism/ Finally, a proof of Horseshoe Theory.
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Yeah this one was the one from the same blog that I was thinking of. Tumblr says that the things labelled neotenous were:quote:liking The Mountain goats OK, I'll give him the ukulele.
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To be frank that is a legit concept, and seeing suddenly a lot of bright eyed creatives with twee nonsense supporting fascist poo poo during the Egypt transition from Morsi->Sisi or during the start of the Ukraine hullabaloo or during those anti-dilma, pro military dictatorship protests or how the IDF tumblr operates me honestly think that the minute fascist folk realized that having a scrawny hipster goil on a cloth hat ramble about love and freedom and then mildly suggest that maybe tose evil poor workers and Mena folk are just stiffling her way of life and really maybe Franco and Pinochet weren't all that bad was a way more subversive and more effective way at getting their way around.
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It's a completely legit concept, anyone familiar with a place like Singapore can easily see how infantilisation can work as a technology of producing compliance to authoritarianism. Both the cupcake article and that post are good, and people seem to be missing the forest for the trees on the cupcake one in particular (it's not about cupcakes).
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Keep the hate unified though.
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Count Chocula posted:Is it based on this great essay about 'cupcake fascism'? Because it seems to be written by a socialist, or somebody on the Left. https://infinitelyfullofhope.wordpress.com/2013/06/22/cupcakefascism/ Aha! Tom Whyman really annoys Nydwracu. He goes on about him intermittently. In fact, it was by looking at his Tumblr and assuming anyone he was randomly abusing might be of value that I found this beautiful essay on the difficulties of philosophy in the time of Piggate. I tried to read that essay and my eyes slid off it repeatedly. This one which it links is much better IMO. It also supports my thesis that normal suburban people's desire for a quiet life is the backbone of fascism and you know drat well they'd sell you to the secret police for 5p off their petrol.
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I know it's probably just an artifact of these people loving biotruths, but unless they think the illuminati are literally performing eugenics so they can sell more onesies, 'neotenous' is such a stupid thing to call it. I'm half expecting it to lead into, like, NRx phrenology - whoever has the least neotenous eye-to-head ratio clearly has the higher IQ, and women are biologically more neotenous therefore ('Infantile', on the other hand, has a long and noble history as a sick burn on the left and those articles are good) Prism Mirror Lens has a new favorite as of 15:29 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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drat those neotenous betas! Playing ukulele and eating cupcakes! What a real mature man like me wants is a benevolent fatherlike dictator to protect me from the bogeyman!
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Count Chocula posted:Is it based on this great essay about 'cupcake fascism'? Because it seems to be written by a socialist, or somebody on the Left. https://infinitelyfullofhope.wordpress.com/2013/06/22/cupcakefascism/ Is this Leftist Philosopher Mad Libs or something? I'm going cross-eyed trying to parse this rambling nonsense.
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Woolie Wool posted:Is this Leftist Philosopher Mad Libs or something? I'm going cross-eyed trying to parse this rambling nonsense.
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This article by him immediately calls to mind Theodore Dalrymple's conservative blithering about society being infantilized to take away their ~personal responsibility~ using largely the same "evidence".
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Finally, a proof of Horseshoe Theory.
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He has a way of making cake sound disgusting.
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Woolie Wool posted:Is this Leftist Philosopher Mad Libs or something? I'm going cross-eyed trying to parse this rambling nonsense. It's this annoying thing where you pretend that everything you have a personal or aesthetic dislike for ties together with political views you're against. Like you can't just find something gross or annoying, it has to be evil. Woolie Wool posted:He has a way of making cake sound disgusting. I know right? There are probably some really good British cakes but this quote:If we think to what cake should be, I mean in terms of the ideal form of cake, or what the sort of cake one wants to devour looks like, it is overflowing with creamy icing, moist and falling apart. Also it should be noted Nydwracu spent a significant amount of time trying to ingratiate himself to this crowd, but it turns out they're less naive about this poo poo than Less Wrong is.
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I think the difference between that and rightwing complaints about infantilism is that the rightwing version is usually started from the idea that people SHOULD be rugged Randian individualists, and only liberal government brainwashing or personal weakness and failure makes them not that; here it's at least partially sympathetic, in that infantilism is a frustrated form of the pretty normal desires to feel safe and remodel the world/"envisage alternative possibilities" and that's kind of a rational response to the world rather than a dumb/evil/biologically ingrained one. Also, one guy picked the name Theodore loving Dalrymple, and the other didn't Prism Mirror Lens has a new favorite as of 16:39 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Woolie Wool posted:Is this Leftist Philosopher Mad Libs or something? I'm going cross-eyed trying to parse this rambling nonsense. It's not that hard to understand. The Vosgian Beast posted:It's this annoying thing where you pretend that everything you have a personal or aesthetic dislike for ties together with political views you're against. Like you can't just find something gross or annoying, it has to be evil. Except the adoption of twee signifiers of middle-class Britishness does, in fact, go hand in hand with right-wing opinions. e: If it helps any, the American analogy is that pointing out that driving SUVs and waving Confederate flags is a product of and feeds into right-wing ideology in the United States is not trying to turn a personal or aesthetic dislike into political argument, it's observing a fact. Zohar has a new favorite as of 17:39 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Zohar posted:e: If it helps any, the American analogy is that pointing out that driving SUVs and waving Confederate flags is a product of and feeds into right-wing ideology in the United States is not trying to turn a personal or aesthetic dislike into political argument, it's observing a fact. quote:tea-drinking, knitting, cycling, sorting out one’s recycling properly, organic food, free-range eggs and local produce, gin, real ale, Cath Kidston bags, throws on the couches, making your own chutney, and Rugby Union. Which of these things is comparable to the Confederate flag?
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Zohar posted:e: If it helps any, the American analogy is that pointing out that driving SUVs and waving Confederate flags is a product of and feeds into right-wing ideology in the United States is not trying to turn a personal or aesthetic dislike into political argument, it's observing a fact. Silver2195 posted:Which of these things is comparable to the Confederate flag? Yeah I don't think that comparison quite gets at it - like, the confederate flag is associated with the same people as who wave the english flag, i.e. 'lower class' people, not the twee middles. Picture something more like an all-American, very proper family with their 2.5 children and golden retriever who are awfully lovely and always go to bake sales but are outraged by black people moving into the neighborhood and you'll be a lot closer. There's nothing inherently wrong with having a lush lawn and a nice car, but somehow 'the american dream' still contains this exclusionary nature. That's a closer American analogy in my view
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Woolie Wool posted:This article by him immediately calls to mind Theodore Dalrymple's conservative blithering about society being infantilized to take away their ~personal responsibility~ using largely the same "evidence". quote:and cars are sold (no longer with promises of awesome masculine power but) by showing them trundling round a mock-up toytown. I have vivid memories of toy commercials promising awesome masculine power
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Zohar posted:It's not that hard to understand. I'm not British so I'm probably missing something. Open question: How do the LW adjacent to NRx reconcile their love of sweet owns on faithtards and obscurantists via logical positivism and falsifiability with the fact that ideas like "The Cthulhu memeplex" are hilarious unobservable, unfalsifiable, and untestable?
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Doublethink.
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