dogstile posted:

Why is being an rear end in a top hat in a game about being an rear end in a top hat a bad thing?

dogstile posted:

Why is being an rear end in a top hat in a game about being an rear end in a top hat a bad thing?

Brassherald posted:

Have gotten a pm about adding officers to the league to add on. If this is something people would like to expedite the process, I'm fine with it, so let me know if you want to volunteer to be an officer.

GNU Order posted:

Sorry for being s killjoy that dude is just farming reactions for the Griefing thread so maybe think about just ignoring him if you don't agree

Foul if you want, I'm not about that life personally but if you just foul everybody all day during goon on goon action you will pretty quickly run out of people who will play you.

dogstile posted:

hah, I only posted to the griefing thread after people flipped their poo poo at me stomping on a pubbie nobody

Orv posted:

Skaven the last few games against dwarf, chaos and an orc, which I guess is a particularly poor combo. Hard to break a cage when half your team is out. Do you still elf screen with skaven, they seem to have a lot of problems taking the ball without skills.

GNU Order posted:

I almost did the same thing when I posted about blowing up pubbies with a minmaxed, farmed clawpomb murder squad and a couple people called me a cheater and one of them said I must be popular with the ladies

Coolguye posted:

shows what they know i drop so many panties with my chaos murderer team you don't even know it's just pussy all night all day erry week

ProZocK posted:

Yeah, I misspoke, Just did some testing with a friend, and it didn't help. Guess it was even more bullshit than I though


gently caress you man, turn 16 fouling is bullshit.

Washout posted:

I love fouling turn 16.

Magnetic North posted:

I know many goons disagree with me, but this is how I think of T16 fouling:

What is generally considered unacceptable behavior for Blood Bowl? Poor sportsmanship (insults, complaining), intentional slow-play, quitting a game, T16 Fouls. I think this can be divided into the two things: things in the rules, and things outside the rules.

There are no rules about complaining about how your opponent is 'flash flash flash' all the time, or regarding talking about your opponent's promiscuous mother. But this is outside of the purview of the rules. The same goes for intentional slow play.

What about quitting when someone kills your favorite precious snowflake or fouls on turn 16? Those are both within the rules of the game, but there is a difference. The concession rules are more a matter of reality, to allow completion if someone should have to leave before a game is done. It's not really in there as a anger outlet valve, but it can be misused in that way, and it's not like you can have no rule for a concession. On the other hand, fouling is also a part of the game. I'm not a BB historian, but I imagine it necessary because otherwise players could leave their valuable pieces laying down on the pitch so they could not be blocked anymore. It also can discourage stalling. Unlike ragequitting, a T16 foul is not an incorrect usage of a necessary part of the game.

Now, don't get me wrong. T16 fouls are a bad idea: they gain you basically nothing. Casualties from fouls grant no SPP. In a normal round-robin tourney, you are weakening an opponent that you will not face again, which makes it easier on your other opponents, who may gain more SPP than they would have before facing you. Unless the opponent is a lock for the playoffs and you are too, the only thing it gets you is a little sick, twisted satisfaction from putting the boot in on Turn 16.

So, where do we draw the line? Well, consider what you could get away with in person. If someone whined the whole game about getting diced, or mocked their opponent non-stop, or intentionally played slow to irritate their opponent, or quit when something went wrong, people might not willingly play with them anymore. It's still prevalent online because that shunning is less of an option there (unless you play in a curated league like MHI or something), since you have a huge pool of random people you won't see again. Also, consider that those behaviors are not specific to Blood Bowl. You can imagine the same thing happening when playing Magic or Bridge or Monopoly.

T16 fouls are different. They are not a matter of bad behavior in the same way. It is a poor tactical choice that can harm your opponent and gains you nothing, but it is allowed in the rules of the game. There are compelling reasons not to do it. It's moderately impolite. But it is just not as bad as people make it out to be. If you want to do it, you should feel free to stomp your little heart out. But be ready for an intensely negative response.

tl;dr T16 fouls now, T16 fouls tomorrow, and T16 fouls forever.

bisonbison posted:

Lizards lost to a pretty scary chaos dwarf team, with the standard loss of 3 skinks in the first 5 turns. He'd scored 2 in the first half, so when I got the ball near his endzone safely at H2T6, I brought a saurus down to try to get the touchdown. Hand-off fails, pickup fails, game over. "Why are you trying to stall when you're losing?" Sigh.

Victor Vermis posted:

I can kinda see what he means (though he was definitely being obtuse) there's always a chance of a riot/blitz on that turn 7(?) kickoff that would allow you to pull some Skink fuckery to tie the game vs Dorfs.

But gently caress that, you were probably doing the smart thing. In an open league like Ranked/Blackbox, putting SPP on Saurus early on is way more important than winning if you plan on building a team for the long haul and potentially throwing them into majors. This is true of Box especially because once your team hits 15(?) games played, they're eligible to be matched with high TV murder teams.. something that seems to happens a lot in Box since so few people play in it (moreso during North American peak hours).

Gamesguy posted:

Without a specialized cage breaker you pretty much can't. What you can do is force the other guy to score by nibbling at the back of the cage and blocking elsewhere while he has 5 players tied up.

Once you get some skills gutter runners can pull the same wardancer stripball/wrestle bullshit. With AG 4 you're dodging into 3 TZs on a 5+ with a reroll, which is slightly over 50% chance of success. Leap, two head, or agi 5 all improve this dramatically.

If you're a funhaver a rat ogre can be used to break open a corner and stand next to the ball carrier alongside a couple other rats. Or you can get break tackle into the cage on a 4+ and laugh your head off when it actually works.

bisonbison posted:

Returning to Blood Bowl and Fumbbl after several years (played about 100 games in 2008-9, never very good), blackbox was exactly what I was hoping to find - easy matchmaking against random, close-ish teams. I'll be sad if it turns into newbie-stomping (ie me-stomping) after teams hit a dozen games. I don't have the predictable schedule a league would require, and I like the randomness of [B] vs. [R].

I keep hoping that fumbbl will be moving toward the clapomb nerf rules, since they'd help young bashy teams as much as anyone.

bisonbison posted:

Returning to Blood Bowl and Fumbbl after several years (played about 100 games in 2008-9, never very good), blackbox was exactly what I was hoping to find - easy matchmaking against random, close-ish teams. I'll be sad if it turns into newbie-stomping (ie me-stomping) after teams hit a dozen games. I don't have the predictable schedule a league would require, and I like the randomness of [B] vs. [R].

I keep hoping that fumbbl will be moving toward the clapomb nerf rules, since they'd help young bashy teams as much as anyone.

bisonbison posted:

Returning to Blood Bowl and Fumbbl after several years (played about 100 games in 2008-9, never very good), blackbox was exactly what I was hoping to find - easy matchmaking against random, close-ish teams. I'll be sad if it turns into newbie-stomping (ie me-stomping) after teams hit a dozen games. I don't have the predictable schedule a league would require, and I like the randomness of [B] vs. [R].

I keep hoping that fumbbl will be moving toward the clapomb nerf rules, since they'd help young bashy teams as much as anyone.

Duuk posted:

I think it's 30 games for the high-tv difference matchups. I have gotten the impression some people make a new team when they reach that limit to keep playing close to their TV. Personally I like the idea of a team with history but then Blackbox is its own kind of beast.

Also I think I have played you in B if your coach name is bisonbison.

You came at me with Dwarves.

Tsk tsk.

R seems just as full of pomb these days as B with the exception that everybody is trying to pick you. I went there a couple of days, laying out my gobs and prelfs and delfs and the only thing I saw on the reverse was chorfs and chaos and undead etc. Used to be more elfball around before the new rules. If I'm gonna play bash I might as well do it in B.

Free Cheese posted:

If you foul on turn 16 you're worse than Stalin
If you concede you're worse than Obama
If you don't think halflings are the best team youre worse than a hemorrhoid in a salt bath
If you enjoy playing bloodbowl you're worse than literally every sentient body in the universe

Coolguye posted:

Duuk posted:

Also I think I have played you in B if your coach name is bisonbison.

You came at me with Dwarves.

Tsk tsk.

Victor Vermis posted:

Do you guys ever hang out in the tgbloodbowl sync channel? Jump in and holler if you're ever spinning. I'd like to play more Box but if two rounds go by without enough coaches to spin, that's a whole 30 minutes out the window.

bisonbison posted:

That's me.

I've played about 30 games since I started up again, pretty much all bashy, and yeah, dorfs! Injuring people is a big part of the fun for me. Now that I have the basics down again I will try my hand at, uh, amazons or some poo poo.


I'm pretty much trying to squeeze in 2 games weekday mornings from 6-8 am Pacific, otherwise, I have very little uninterruptable home time. So I feel lucky when it's 4-5 folks boxing, and unlucky when it's 2-3.

Fat Samurai posted:

How do you deal with elves/skaven running away from low level chaos guys? Moving my guys close means he can usually overcome the strength disadvantage and punch me during his turn, and I have no skills (block and guard, mostly) to make a turnover likely yet.

The only reliable way I've found is using at least two players to surround one of their pieces away from the action, so he can't commit players away from the scrum, but that's not really optimal play.

Evernoob posted:

Yesterday I had the worst game ever with my 1700TV Chaos team against some really bullshit dwarves.

Round 1 first action my Minotaur hit double skulls, reroll, double skulls, injury-death, apothecary, injury miss next game.
And it only went downhill from there.

Donnerberg posted:

Elf bullshit is the best bullshit. I have been nervous about playing my elves now that they're in the bash zone, but if this is what the competition is like, it'll be a riot.