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CrazyTolradi posted:Has there been any report on this? I've been looking around news sites all night for any update to see if it fell over or went ahead. I know the current round of negotiations were extended by a day and that Australia and Japan were heavily opposed t0 extending medical patents to 8 years. They keep this poo poo pretty tight lidded, generally. The press release keeps getting delay after delay, but there'll be definite word on what happened exactly pretty soon. I honest to God cannot remember where the article was, but there was a headline that they'd reached an agreement last night in Atlanta, and the US would absolutely not go lower than what the pharma industry lobby has legislated there, which is technically, I think, seven years. There are lovely little loopholes they could do here to have it stay at five years, and then have "administrative periods" that include data protection and market exclusivity, which works functionally the same as extending it, which might be the agreement they met at. #TPP on twitter is a pretty good resource, but you gotta sift out the Metal Gear Solid V stuff lately
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Pickled Tink posted:I never said it was plain or regular. Nah actually you said, twice, that if this kid wasn't Muslim then this would be considered "sad but regular crime" or "plain crime", and that's complete bullshit. An angry and alienated youth lashing out at an authority figure draws hitler moustaches on a picture of their school principal. This kid shot a police employee in the head outside a police station and attempted to kill a bunch more. Pretending this is a case of hormonal angrybrains is insulting to the large number of confused teenagers that manage to make it through puberty without shooting cops in the head. And pretending that people would go "ho hum, another day another cop employee gunned down" if the gunman was white is similarly at odds with reality. quote:If he wanted to commit an "act of terrorism" that resonated strongly, he could have gone virtually anywhere else there. There are literally tens of thousands of potential victims there at any given time during the day. He could have walked into the food court at the Parramatta Westfield and had his choice of random stationary targets to plug. Instead he went to the police and shot a police worker. Claiming that it can't be terrorism because he chose to shoot cops rather than civilians at a shopping mall is wrong as well! Terrorism is about symbolism, not simply body count. Unless you're suggesting (e.g. with your "just an attack on the state" comment earlier) that this is politically motivated violence but not terrorism because cops are legitimate representatives of the state, in which case you can get hosed there too. quote:I'm not sure why I'm bothering to go to such lengths to respond to you since you have been so intellectually dishonest here, but what the hell. Let's pick apart a random article on it I found on the SMH (Basically the first one I found. I'm lazy and need to piss off to a barbeque shortly). Yeah it's me that's being intellectually dishonest here. The cops saying "we didn't have prior knowledge of this kid" is completely different from "we have no idea why he did it" and you're making a massive leap by assuming that they're saying that this was politically motivated with no evidence to back that up. Despite your fantasies cops don't have a vested interest in declaring attacks like this terrorism. In fact in the hours after the shooting the media were quoting police sources saying that it wasn't terrorism, which led to auspol covering itself in its usual glory by joking that the shooter therefore wasn't brown. I was mostly having a go at you earlier for saying that the media would play this down if the shooter was white, rather than play it up because he was Muslim. But goddamn if you haven't doubled down on this. Tell me, what evidence do you think is required before the police and the media are allowed to use the t word?
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@ABCNews24: Shorten: For people on $40-$60,000, #penaltyrates are the difference whether they can afford to send their kids to a private school. #auspol
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Solemn Sloth posted:@ABCNews24: Shorten: For people on $40-$60,000, #penaltyrates are the difference whether they can afford to send their kids to a private school. #auspol lol
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"... and Christ knows you wouldn't want to send them to a Government school, especially if we get elected."
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Solemn Sloth posted:@ABCNews24: Shorten: For people on $40-$60,000, #penaltyrates are the difference whether they can afford to send their kids to a private school. #auspol Oh yeah, that's the big issue when we're talking about penalty rates, not the people who are reliant on casual work for whom penalties means they can pay their power bill. No, it's the poor downtrodden middle class.  Shorten.
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Tirade posted:I was mostly having a go at you earlier for saying that the media would play this down if the shooter was white, rather than play it up because he was Muslim. But goddamn if you haven't doubled down on this. Tell me, what evidence do you think is required before the police and the media are allowed to use the t word? I'm going to be really ugly about this but it's an ugly thing. Shooting a police employee in the head isn't an act of terrorism. Police are killed all the time. This is acknowledged and expected by the general public, and a huge part of the reason that the police are entitled to any respect at all. An act of terrorism has to inspire terror. There are many ways to go about this, but what it comes down to is that an act of terrorism has to elicit a response in the general public of "My God, that could've been me!". As the victim worked for the police, the general public are not worried in this way. Had this been the kid instead shooting a random person for the same reasons, then yes, it could be fairly described as terrorism. This murder was definitely politically motivated, but not terrorism. It's just the grim, inevitable outcome of cultivating an "us vs them" mentality between the police force and islamic youth.
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CrazyTolradi posted:Oh yeah, that's the big issue when we're talking about penalty rates, not the people who are reliant on casual work for whom penalties means they can pay their power bill. No, it's the poor downtrodden middle class. We can laugh at Shorten all we want but the only people who actually parse political messaging to this degree are people like us. The vast, vast majority of Australians (and swing voters) hear this and think "hmmm yeah." The ALP cops so much flak for their focus groups and poll-driven policy, but in a country with compulsory voting I'm not sure a Corbyn-like figure would actually work.
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What kind of difference does it make if it was terrorism or not? I know it's fun to complain about the Telegraph being hysterical and all, but honestly who cares? Is it something like 'Well if they can show it was terrorism then they'll have more legitimacy when they try to take away our rights to counter it'? Because it seems like you'd have to buy into the idea that taking away your rights to fight terrorism is an acceptable thing to do for that to be an issue. open24hours fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Oct 5, 2015 03:19
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freebooter posted:We can laugh at Shorten all we want but the only people who actually parse political messaging to this degree are people like us. The vast, vast majority of Australians (and swing voters) hear this and think "hmmm yeah." Well yeah, no poo poo it's aimed at aspirational class voters who hope that if they can somehow manage to send their kids to St Swanky McSwank School that it might give their kids the chance to gently caress a dead pig and join an exclusive club.
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Oct 5, 2015 03:29
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As if a private school education makes a lick of difference. Nationalize education.
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Oct 5, 2015 03:39
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Tirade posted:Nah actually you said, twice, that if this kid wasn't Muslim then this would be considered "sad but regular crime" or "plain crime", and that's complete bullshit. An angry and alienated youth lashing out at an authority figure draws hitler moustaches on a picture of their school principal. This kid shot a police employee in the head outside a police station and attempted to kill a bunch more. Pretending this is a case of hormonal angrybrains is insulting to the large number of confused teenagers that manage to make it through puberty without shooting cops in the head. Lmao.
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Oct 5, 2015 03:44
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If people have already decided for themselves private school = better, why try to improve public education, right Bill?
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So it uh looks like concentration policy just ended
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Anidav posted:As if a private school education makes a lick of difference. Nonsense. It was only in uni I learnt how to do a full windsor. e. wow, so that happened. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-05/asylum-seekers-on-nauru-to-be-processed-within-the-next-week/6828130 Zenithe fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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The Peccadillo posted:So it uh looks like concentration policy just ended Hello what? E: wow good news maybe?
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Given the horrendous bad blood that's been fostered between the locals and the refugees I can not see how this can possibly end in anything but disaster.
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Zenithe posted:Nonsense. It was only in uni I learnt how to do a full windsor.  Please let this stay as good news, it's step away from the 'Australia being loving awful to refugees' thing so I really don't want the other shoe to drop...
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It's pretty clear Turnbull is giving us an early and extended christmas to try wash the taste of Abbott out of our mouth before the election. It will be interesting to see how much the greens will be able to take them for before the lnps newfound cooperativeness dries up.
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Lmao the ALP is hosed. Turnbull is going to corner them on centre right policy and call an election and win because the swing voters will look at the headlines and declare all is well while Shorten stutters about NBN and Carbon Pricing.
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hooman posted:Given the horrendous bad blood that's been fostered between the locals and the refugees I can not see how this can possibly end in anything but disaster. Probably, but holy poo poo, encampment's ending
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The Peccadillo posted:Probably, but holy poo poo, encampment's ending Encampment ending is definitely a good thing. Encampment ending in a way that means they're less safe from locals is a bad thing. I'm impressed that once again there's apparently a worse/more harmful solution and it is the one that has been implemented.
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SynthOrange posted:Link please I'm not seeing anything http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-05/asylum-seekers-on-nauru-to-be-processed-within-the-next-week/6828130
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According to today's Crikey, this change has been conveniently made two days before the High Court is due to hear a case on whether it is constitutional for the Australian Government to detain asylum seekers offshore indefinitely. Ha - sif they'd do something without an ulterior motive.
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sidviscous posted:According to today's Crikey, this change has been conveniently made two days before the High Court is due to hear a case on whether it is constitutional for the Australian Government to detain asylum seekers offshore indefinitely. This won't affect that given a)they're still in detention, and b)it means nothing for other places like Manus
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Solemn Sloth posted:This won't affect that given a)they're still in detention, and b)it means nothing for other places like Manus It means a lot! Haha
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The Peccadillo posted:Definitely, especially with the PR about the run for UN human rights council, but we might be stopping having concentration camps they are using the whole island as the camp  it will be just as poo poo outside as it is inside.
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Vic Libs are making a brave stand.quote:Victoria's grand final public holiday will almost certainly be dumped if the Coalition wins the 2018 state election.
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SynthOrange posted:Vic Libs are making a brave stand. That extra day off a year is just loving KILLING our economy!
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Tokamak posted:they are using the whole island as the camp No, a given island might be a hosed up place to live, but it is not prison camp.
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Starshark posted:That extra day off a year is just loving KILLING our economy! Yeah I dont understand why theres this random 'uproar' over something that is ultimately pretty minor.
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Starshark posted:That extra day off a year is just loving KILLING our economy! http://www.news.com.au/finance/sweden-embraces-the-six-hour-work-day/story-e6frfm1i-1227553714473
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