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double nine posted:What's the dig at Japan? Are they especially racist? Asking for info here, I have no idea where this remark came from. Japan is remarkably racist and isolationist. That figure about how Europe's population is going to drop sharply? It's a lot worse for Japan, partly due to the geology involved. Japan was one of the hardest countries to invade for a very long time simply because of how cut off they are from the rest of the world thanks to storms and crap. They also have a dwindling population, for a lot of reasons, but they aren't exactly big fans of bringing in immigrants. Nor realistically do they have a lot of draw for them. If anything throws out the existing power structures of the world as it currently is, it may just be underpopulation problems.
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double nine posted:What's the dig at Japan? Are they especially racist? Asking for info here, I have no idea where this remark came from. Japan is well known for being xenophobic as gently caress. They also aren't having enough babbies to maintain their population level (which is a problem in a lot of developed nations but especially japan), and also they live a really long time so that's going to become a huge problem in the not too distant future. 
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double nine posted:What's the dig at Japan? Are they especially racist? Asking for info here, I have no idea where this remark came from. Japan is a very homogenous society that is extremely hostile to the immigration of people who aren't Japanese. It is consequently one of the safest nations on Earth, with an almost non-existent violent crime rate. The downside is, I guess, that its population is aging and declining due to an overall decline in birthrates. Most first world countries have been experiencing the same decline, but have been bolstering their numbers through immigration. Japan has not, which means that, in a few years, a smaller number of workers will be supporting an ever increasing number of retired persons. This, of course, will cause an economic and social collapse because reasons. Edit: beaten, but take a minute to compare my post to the two foaming-at-the-mouth posts above it. We're all describing the same thing, but notice how much more reasonable it sounds when its not littered with ignorant accusations of racism and xenophobia? Irish Joe fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Sep 29, 2015 |
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Irish Joe posted:Japan is a very homogenous society that is extremely hostile to the immigration of people who aren't Japanese. It is consequently one of the safest nations on Earth, with an almost non-existent violent crime rate. The downside is, I guess, that its population is aging and declining due to an overall decline in birthrates. Most first world countries have been experiencing the same decline, but have been bolstering their numbers through immigration. Japan has not, which means that, in a few years, a smaller number of workers will be supporting an ever increasing number of retired persons. This, of course, will cause an economic and social collapse because reasons. Sounds reasonable sure, but it's still ignorant and filled with racism and xenophobia. You can state two facts next to each other but that doesn't mean one causes the other.
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Pews posted:Sounds reasonable sure, but it's still ignorant and filled with racism and xenophobia. You can state two facts next to each other but that doesn't mean one causes the other. Don't engage Irish Joe
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Pews posted:Sounds reasonable sure, but it's still ignorant and filled with racism and xenophobia. You can state two facts next to each other but that doesn't mean one causes the other. I don't think its inappropriate to make assumptions based on the facts. Burkion posted:Don't engage Irish Joe Looks like the TVIV IRC crew is mad at me again. 
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The migration issue is crazy complex, but every comment about it does seem to basically devolve into "BUT SOME OF THEM ARE BAD!" and just "fuckin' muzlims". Call this a win for Joliver. Kinda wonder if/when Trevor Noah will get this divisive. They went pretty standard with the first new Daily Show and that was probably the right call. Burkion posted:Don't engage Irish Joe Also seriously wondering who I have to piss off in just the right way to stay on the good side of the mods and get a funny string of avatars. 
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Isn't Japan overpopulated in the first place? I'd think they're one of the places where a dwindling population would actually be beneficial. I mean it doesn't excuse the xenophobia, but slowing down immigration is certainly a better solution than some other countries have had (looking at you, China). That said, the segment was about Europe, who absolutely DO need the numbers.
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The problem is Japan's dwindling population is in part caused by economic policies that basically cannibalize the young in favor of the old, which isn't sustainable. (Off the top of my head, I know their olds are cool with deflation because deflation works in your favor if you have a lot of savings but it's awful in a consumer economy because people aren't as willing to buy poo poo.) A cause of the not-baby-having in Japan is that it's just fuckin' hard to get by as a youngish person there and bringing in a bunch more young people isn't going to fix that.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Isn't Japan overpopulated in the first place? I'd think they're one of the places where a dwindling population would actually be beneficial. They're less densely populated than Belgium.
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It's really weird that population growth is declining in all these developed nations. Legally, the easiest solution to immigration is to just bounce immigrants around forever in weird official statuses so that they never officially immigrate, they're just staying in the country temporarily. It gives you all the benefits of cheap foreign workers without having to deal with changing voter demographics. All you have to do is dump a ludicrous amount of paperwork all over everything.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's really weird that population growth is declining in all these developed nations. Isn't that basically what they're already doing?
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double nine posted:What's the dig at Japan? Are they especially racist? Asking for info here, I have no idea where this remark came from. There are large sections of Japanese, largely among the elderly, that still have a mad hate on for Okinawans. Despite Okinawa being an actual part of Japan. Similarly, despite feudalism ending over 150 years ago Japanese descended from the lower castes still face an enormous amount of bigotry should their ancestry be discovered.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:There are large sections of Japanese, largely among the elderly, that still have a mad hate on for Okinawans. Despite Okinawa being an actual part of Japan. Similarly, despite feudalism ending over 150 years ago Japanese descended from the lower castes still face an enormous amount of bigotry should their ancestry be discovered. To bad they can't be like America, where no one really knows poo poo about their ancestry other than they totally have a Cherokee princess in the family tree. Totally like 1/19th Native, man.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's really weird that population growth is declining in all these developed nations. Not really. Having a kid is expensive and we've figured out how to avoid accidentally having one (mostly). The Cheshire Cat posted:Isn't that basically what they're already doing? No country (not even the EU ones) are doing that to the best of my knowledge, but what does happen is that you can have multiple generations of people who were born in a country but weren't citizens. That's why birthright citizenship is one of the best things the US has.
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Gyges posted:To bad they can't be like America, where no one really knows poo poo about their ancestry other than they totally have a Cherokee princess in the family tree. Totally like 1/19th Native, man. Well, after reading that goon's reply about Japanese ancestry sometimes leading back to a lower caste during the feudalism period, it's kind of like black people in the states. It's just that black people obviously look different than white people, so it's easier to assume that their ancestors, had they lived in the states, were probably slaves. At least on the surface, a Japanese person isn't immediately identified as descending from the lower class/caste. Goddamn history sucks
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Well, after reading that goon's reply about Japanese ancestry sometimes leading back to a lower caste during the feudalism period, it's kind of like black people in the states. It's just that black people obviously look different than white people, so it's easier to assume that their ancestors, had they lived in the states, were probably slaves. At least on the surface, a Japanese person isn't immediately identified as descending from the lower class/caste. I don't think you understand how caste systems work. Nobody in America treats black people poorly because their ancestors were slaves because we don't, with a few exceptions in the northeast, consider lineage all that important. But in certain parts of Asia, lineage is everything.
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Chand0X posted:Nageen got to see the clip. This makes me very happy after a rough day
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Irish Joe posted:I don't think you understand how caste systems work. Nobody in America treats black people poorly because their ancestors were slaves because we don't, with a few exceptions in the northeast, consider lineage all that important. But in certain parts of Asia, lineage is everything. Well, it was just me thinking out loud, really. The situations seemed similar, is all.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's really weird that population growth is declining in all these developed nations. Yeah it's really shocking that fewer and fewer people want a screaming poo poo factory money vampire that will haunt them for 20+ years, longer in Japan where housing is San Francisco cubed hosed and the economy is garbage and said thing is completely preventable. From what I understand the culture is such that you need to be able to have a place to live before you get married, which is currently nearly impossible there. It's like goons living in their parents' basements with anime pillows into their 30s only because there aren't any alternatives. muscles like this? posted:Interestingly enough a bunch of celebrities have put out a video telling people to stop calling them "migrants" and instead use refugee. Well that's what they are so ????
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xcore posted:Is this same Scandinvia that they literally just showed in the episode taking out full page ads in newspapers attempting to drive people away? Denmark is still among the top contributors to foreign aid in the world and right near the top as far as refugees/asylum seekers accepted per capita.
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TheRealGunde posted:While not their finest moment, that is not exactly what it was. It was also mostly one politician's project. Being near the top doesn't say much when Germany and Sweden are the only ones still playing.
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It's a similar point to the 'swarm' thing John brought up in the LWT segment, though. It's using language to victim-blame. Migrant sounds like everyone fleeing Syria decided that their perfectly safe, economically, politically and physically stable homes weren't good enough and chose to leave and can go back whenever they want. Refugee makes it clear they are running from some kind of danger and need refuge. Turning away refugees makes you sound like a dick. Turning away migrants... makes you sound like a dick unless you're talking to nationalistic xenophobic jerks who are an unfortunately loud voice in the developed world's political climate right now.
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Gaz-L posted:Migrant sounds like everyone fleeing Syria decided that their perfectly safe, economically, politically and physically stable homes weren't good enough and chose to leave and can go back whenever they want. Refugee makes it clear they are running from some kind of danger and need refuge. I think the problem is that, for every actual refugee, you have a bunch of former refugees who were camped out in Greece or Turkey making their way from safehaven to.. more safehaven? Like that idiot who drowned his kid. They were both perfectly safe in Turkey until he decided to grab his son and jump on a dingy headed to Western Europe.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Tonight's episode was straight fire. And I'd never heard of Greyhound Therapy before. JESUS . By the time John made a joke (well, more like a glorified cultural reference) to Lil Wayne, I just couldn't progress any further. Every joke on this show involves him repeating what a news anchor said 5 seconds ago in a clip and either yelling or making some pop culture reference. And during the main story, no matter what it is, it's 15 to 20 minutes of that plus a really preachy ending. The skit at the end of the refugee crisis main story is the perfect example of that- it's just two soap opera characters recapping what John spent an entire chunk of time talking about. There is no effort put into Last Week Tonight anymore. It's less like The Daily Show or Stephen Colbert, and more like Jimmy Fallon or Family Guy. Unlike Fallon or MacFarlene, John Oliver has talent, but he clearly isn't using it. I'm just glad that Trevor Noah made a positive impact to The Daily Show and Colbert is about as sharp as ever, because if it weren't for them, the landscape for this kind of show would be barren. But hey, at least he isn't mugging for the camera with funny faces like Jon Stewart did. You don't want to waste time that could be spent making a joke about Taylor Lautner, after all!
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Y-Hat posted:There is no effort put into Last Week Tonight anymore. It's less like The Daily Show or Stephen Colbert, and more like Jimmy Fallon or Family Guy. Unlike Fallon or MacFarlene, John Oliver has talent, but he clearly isn't using it. I'm just glad that Trevor Noah made a positive impact to The Daily Show and Colbert is about as sharp as ever, because if it weren't for them, the landscape for this kind of show would be barren. But hey, at least he isn't mugging for the camera with funny faces like Jon Stewart did. You don't want to waste time that could be spent making a joke about Taylor Lautner, after all! 
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Y-Hat posted:By the time John made a joke (well, more like a glorified cultural reference) to Lil Wayne, I just couldn't progress any further. Every joke on this show involves him repeating what a news anchor said 5 seconds ago in a clip and either yelling or making some pop culture reference. And during the main story, no matter what it is, it's 15 to 20 minutes of that plus a really preachy ending. The skit at the end of the refugee crisis main story is the perfect example of that- it's just two soap opera characters recapping what John spent an entire chunk of time talking about.
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Nichael posted:Honestly, I've never found Last Week Tonight that funny. It's the straightest of the "fake news" shows, and it fills that niche extremely well. I'm not seeing at all how you think there's no effort put into it. The effort is there, but the majority of it seems to go into research, which is fine.
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Baloogan posted:Yeah, he is phoning it in. Wonder why. Josh Lyman posted:But Colbert isn't doing that kind of show anymore. Josh Lyman posted:Agreed. Last Week Tonight is not a comedy show. It's a news show with a few random jokes. get that OUT of my face fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Y-Hat posted:The Joe Biden interview in Colbert's first week was apparently very good (I didn't watch it, but my friend was very impressed) you should really correct that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opVaEC_WxWs Probably the best interview on late night since Letterman had his Warren Zevon episode
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:you should really correct that
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Tonight's story is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGY6DqB1HX8
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I love that Colbert's new schtick is getting him all the interviews, but while Biden looked like a young girl on her wedding day, so did Trump. I wish Steve would bring just a bit more bite to it.
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Baloogan posted:did u see his cruz interview? Is it good? Is there a link?
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