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E: OopsLes Affaires posted:The devil is in the details obviously, but if it's crafted in a way that there's no short or long term net loss to the workers involved then shifting the social aspect of wages and compensation from business to "society" (as in the tax system) could in effect mean we are all subsidising weekend workers rather than just the organisations who operate at those times. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Oct 7, 2015 |
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Well why shouldn't everyone pitch in to help private businesses make more money? It's only fair. Just like compensating for increased GST through reduced stamp duty. Everyone buys houses, everyone owns a business, and everyone pays GST, so everyone benefits equally.
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Oct 7, 2015 03:56
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Pred1ct posted:Dont think I saw this story posted here. Bold the whole thing etc. It's from 2009 hth.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:00
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gently caress you Malcolm Turnbull. I hope the maggots eating away on the middle class run out of food and turn on your kind.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:01
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Doctor Spaceman posted:E: Oops Yeah, the only way it would work (without inordinately loving the poor) is through the PAYE system, tax tables and some adjustments to the information reported by business, such as the number of hours or a percentage of time spent working "unsociable hours", subject to auditing of course. open24hours posted:Well why shouldn't everyone pitch in to help private businesses make more money? It's only fair. Just like compensating for increased GST through reduced stamp duty. Everyone buys houses, everyone owns a business, and everyone pays GST, so everyone benefits equally. In the short term maybe, as businesses adjust, but long term you'd expect margins and profits to return back to where they are now as competition takes over. Those business owners will just find something else to complain about, like the award system or minimum wage.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:04
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Les Affaires posted:In the short term maybe, as businesses adjust, but long term you'd expect margins and profits to return back to where they are now as competition takes over. Those business owners will just find something else to complain about, like the award system or minimum wage. Of course they will, I'm sure they'll be angling for some other type of tax cut. The people who stand to benefit the most from this kind of thing are companies like Woolworths and Coles and McDonalds who will have managed to shift what is probably many billions of dollars of costs onto the government for absolutely no public benefit whatsoever.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:11
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open24hours posted:Of course they will, I'm sure they'll be angling for some other type of tax cut. The people who stand to benefit the most from this kind of thing are companies like Woolworths and Coles and McDonalds who will have managed to shift what is probably many billions of dollars of costs onto the government for absolutely no public benefit whatsoever. Really the only way to justify this is if the expected increase in profit for these companies plus the increased (or unchanged) economic activity from the workers affected results in a comparable tax take because if not, yeah it's pretty counterproductive for the economy. Crikey today has a piece about penalty rates and how if any changes lead to an overall suppression of wages then that will further dampen the economy because the vast majority of people on penalty rates spend their entire wage and recirculate it back into the economy.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:20
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Help Government, we keep paying our workers less because we're not as profitable as we want to be, but mysteriously the economy keeps slowing down so every time we cut our workers wages less people are buying our stuff and our profits stay the same! Do something government! WHY AREN'T YOU HELPING US?
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Oct 7, 2015 04:23
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maybe they should go after the penalty rates of FIFO mining workers first.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:35
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I also have trouble seeing the government take a big hit to the deficit so they can give money directly to low income earners.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:41
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lmao the first print of Campbell Newman's book sold out. all 2,500 copies nationwide.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:41
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Anidav posted:lmao the first print of Campbell Newman's book sold out. how many of them did campbell buy can you imagine being one of his relatives, cos they'll all be getting that this christmas
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Oct 7, 2015 04:44
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2016: Penalty rates cut but workers compensated with lower tax rates 2017: "We need to raise taxes"
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I was tempted to buy it just to read his crybaby antics but then I saw the cover and reconsidered.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:45
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Anidav posted:gently caress you Malcolm Turnbull. I hope the maggots eating away on the middle class run out of food and turn on your kind. Do not try and save the middle class. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no middle class.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:47
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The Latham Diaries sold 55,000 Lazarus Rising sold 110,000 Can Do sold 2,500.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:50
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Anidav posted:The Latham Diaries sold 55,000 Mein Kampf?
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Oct 7, 2015 04:57
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Battlelines ~20,000
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Oct 7, 2015 05:02
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Solemn Sloth posted:Do not try and save the middle class. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no middle class. Guess that explains why it always seems to bend towards whichever political party is wielding it.
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Oct 7, 2015 05:03
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Les Affaires posted:Really the only way to justify this is if the expected increase in profit for these companies plus the increased (or unchanged) economic activity from the workers affected results in a comparable tax take because if not, yeah it's pretty counterproductive for the economy. It's removal by stealth. If they change it to a tax credit situation then down the road they can simply lower or remove it far easier than it is to get legislation through removing them in the first place.
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Oct 7, 2015 05:09
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The penalty rate debate: people who get paid for doing nothing on public holidays saying it's unfair that those who have to work get paid extra.
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Oct 7, 2015 05:13
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So apparently a huge majority of people support penalty rates, including coalition voters, which is reassuring: http://www.essentialvision.com.au/penalty-rates-2
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Oct 7, 2015 05:14
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freebooter posted:So apparently a huge majority of people support penalty rates, including coalition voters, which is reassuring: As much as Shothen is a muppet I hope that the LNP learn that means political suicide to try to take this poo poo to an election. It would be amazing if the fear of God was beaten into them by losing to Ball "Who the gently caress is this guy" Snorflgren.
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Oct 7, 2015 05:20
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I was happy to pay $18 for a movie ticket on Sunday because I knew the staff were getting paid a reasonable wage for a public holiday. I'm sure the majority of people feel the same way. Just charge more.
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Oct 7, 2015 05:34
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Where are you getting such cheap tickets :v
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Oct 7, 2015 05:36
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United Cinemas. I think it's usually ~$15. BTW definitely check out The Martian - I've read the book and I think they did a good adaptation.
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Oct 7, 2015 05:40
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freebooter posted:So apparently a huge majority of people support penalty rates, including coalition voters, which is reassuring: What happens when you start narrowing things down though? Do you think hospitality staff who are required to work on sunday should receive saturday penalty rates rather than their current, slightly higher sunday rates? would get a different response, I'm sure.
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Oct 7, 2015 05:40
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Jay walking crackdown in Sydney - just saw 2 cops fine a guy in the CBD for crossing against the light. WTF??
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Oct 7, 2015 05:42
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Yeah they do it periodically. Same with bicycle helmets.
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Oct 7, 2015 05:44
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V for Vegas posted:Jay walking crackdown in Sydney - just saw 2 cops fine a guy in the CBD for crossing against the light. WTF?? They do that from time to time. You need to look for cops, then cars, then cross. In that order.
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I hate motorbike cops with speed cameras. Shameless pigs.
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THE weapon used by teen terrorist Farhad Jabar was believed to be sourced from a Middle Eastern crime gang and police suspect it was handed to the schoolboy at the Parramatta mosque. Details about where he got the gun and its original source were established early in the investigation but the Telegraph was asked by police not to release details until after today’s raids. lice believe a known Middle Eastern crime figure passed the .38 Smith and Wesson on to a radical without knowing exactly what it was to be used for. It’s believed the weapon then ended up in the hands of the 15-year-old at the mosque just hours before he killed Curtis Cheng last Friday afternoon outside Police Headquarters.
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In lighter news Breaking news Police raid the home of ex-union official Kathy Jackson south of Sydney SHE DID IT
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Yeah good one Bill Shorten demands Government help alleged Nauru rape victim seeking abortion http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/labor-calls-on-government-to-help-alleged-nauru-rape-victim/6834514 quote:The Government must stop acting like "robots with no hearts" and allow a pregnant alleged rape victim to come to Australia for medical treatment, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says.
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quote:The mother of an Iranian asylum seeker allegedly gang-raped on Nauru has tried to kill herself, having been told she cannot see her unwell daughter. loving christ end this lovely country
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Oct 7, 2015 06:35
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....four suicide attempts....
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Oct 7, 2015 06:36
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Solemn Sloth posted:Do not try and save the middle class. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no middle class. Woah.
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hooman posted:....four suicide attempts.... One was while she was in an interview with staff, she's just doing this for attention. Or we should burn everyone involved in bringing this situation into existence to the ground.
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Halo14 posted:Shorten demands Government help alleged Nauru rape victim seeking abortion But the government promised more medical referrals for asylum seekers on Nauru this week. How.. how could this be.
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BBJoey posted:well golly gee what possibly could have caused this boy to become radicalised, who knows So our intelligence agencies doing their job by trying to identify and nip radicalisation in the bud are to blame. I guess they should just quit then and let it all slide eh?
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