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Obv they were too busy chasing down Karen.
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Speaking of dickheads, Kroger and the Vic Libs having another senior moment:James Massola, SMH posted:Victorian Liberal president Michael Kroger has credited Malcolm Turnbull with a dramatic turnaround in the party's fortunes, telling an exclusive party fundraiser the switch of leader meant just one federal seat - rather than six under Tony Abbott - was now at risk. At least two of them, Bendigo and McEwan are just hilarious dreaming on Kroger's part. In Bendigo Lisa Chesters is so embedded they're resorting to using Senator McKenzie (a loving Nat) to "balance" her comments on radio, so invisible are the Libs here. McEwan I have on good authority is also pie in the sky. As for Mirabella, ahahahahahahahahaha.
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 07:48 |
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 08:00 |
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Execu-speak posted:So our intelligence agencies doing their job by trying to identify and nip radicalisation in the bud are to blame. Just to make sure, when you say 'doing their job', you mean conducting dawn raids with heavily armed police officers against 25 homes, leading to 15 people being detained, a whole 2 people charged, with an earth-shattering ~1~ of those charges being terrorism-related, correct? I feel like a better ratio of homes targeted to potential terrorists identified would be desirable, to be honest. Maybe if you're not confident that you can get more than a single suspected terrorist from a counter-terrorism operation involving more than 800 police officers on the ground, you need to reevaluate whether the operation is worth it.
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 09:25 |
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clusterfuck posted:It's from 2009 hth. gently caress I should have looked at it properly when I first saw it come up on twitter. This piece is more recent I promise (Tim Lyons seems to be a very sound campaigner): http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/lyons-defending-penalty-rates-does-not-require-political-bravery/6833740 quote:
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 11:09 |
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quote:High school student Farhad Jabar was recruited by a group of western Sydney extremists to carry out a terrorist attack because they thought they were under too much surveillance to do it themselves, police believe. yup
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BBJoey posted:Just to make sure, when you say 'doing their job', you mean conducting dawn raids with heavily armed police officers against 25 homes, leading to 15 people being detained, a whole 2 people charged, with an earth-shattering ~1~ of those charges being terrorism-related, correct? The kind of work they're doing isn't ever going to yield a perfect strike rate. Intelligence agencies work off of limited information and then make the best judgement they can based upon it. We don't live in a perfect world where it's as simple as, "Theres the bad guys, let's get em". To expect that is just unrealistic. If that's means sometimes a large operation is run with a small return then so what? If that's one or two people off the street who posed a genuine threat of doing something horrible then to me it's worth it. You're happy to criticise the counter terrorism work our agencies are doing now. But I bet if something major happened you'd be the first to jump up and down screaming about them not doing enough.
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Execu-speak posted:The kind of work they're doing isn't ever going to yield a perfect strike rate. Intelligence agencies work off of limited information and then make the best judgement they can based upon it. We don't live in a perfect world where it's as simple as, "Theres the bad guys, let's get em". To expect that is just unrealistic. You don't understand. They caught one (possible) terrorist. They planted the seeds of fear and distrust of the police in 23 innocent people as well as their immediate friends and family. In the majority of cases those seeds will bear no fruit, but if even one of the people targeted by the police grew to detest them and became radicalised, the entire raid was a zero sum game. If two people become radicalised as a result of the raid, our counter-terrorism work has actually made the situation worse. You accuse me of unrealistic thinking but you're missing the point entirely. When you mount an 800 man raid and end up with 1 suspect to show for it and call that a great victory, what kind of message does that send to the Muslim community? What does it say to members of our society who are already marginalised, who are taunted with racist slogans daily, who see their innocent brothers and sisters in faith murdered in conflicts overseas as collateral damage courtesy of Western bombers? I'm not saying 'oh it's all the bastard cops fault'. The world is complicated. But to claim that the ridiculous show of force Tony staged in September last year does not have at least some part to play in all this is wishful thinking.
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Execu-speak posted:The kind of work they're doing isn't ever going to yield a perfect strike rate. Intelligence agencies work off of limited information and then make the best judgement they can based upon it. We don't live in a perfect world where it's as simple as, "Theres the bad guys, let's get em". To expect that is just unrealistic. You'd get a better strike rate finding lefty political forums, and raiding user's homes. Out of 100 users, there's probably at least 10 with drugs. And who knows, maybe one of them was reading radical political ideology about saving sharks, or climate change, or something.
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Tokamak posted:You'd get a better strike rate finding lefty political forums, and raiding user's homes. Out of 100 users, there's probably at least 10 with drugs. And who knows, maybe one of them was reading radical political ideology about saving sharks, or climate change, or something. Mate some of these fuckin' lefties listen to alternative music. When's that going to stop?
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 11:53 |
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Lid posted:yup Lock up all impressionable kids.
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 13:16 |
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Diet Crack posted:Lock up all impressionable kids. This is a really inappropriate and stupid response to what was just posted, dude. I mean I know we are against the police state here, and I agree with you that the raid last year was poorly conducted. But CCTV of a kid meeting suspected terrorists hours before a murder? Come the gently caress on. This isn't the time to be all "hurr duur paranoid stupid cops what's next their going to outlaw punk music lmao"
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 13:43 |
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Diet Crack posted:Lock up all impressionable kids. Kill us all. Let god sort us out.
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 14:05 |
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Someone got that Hanson 'No More' photoshop from a few days ago? An FB posted the real thing and had a whinge and needs to see the photoshop, sadly I am too retarded to find it despite my piss poor efforts.
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 14:16 |
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I wonder if there's a staffer right now hitting ctrl+f on decades old speeches and replacing 'Asians' with 'Muslims'.
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Tokamak posted:You'd get a better strike rate finding lefty political forums, and raiding user's homes. Out of 100 users, there's probably at least 10 with drugs. And who knows, maybe one of them was reading radical political ideology about saving sharks, or climate change, or something. I'm armed everywhere I go. That multi-tool that I carry in my bag could be used to wage a socialist jihad and you know it.
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Tokamak posted:You'd get a better strike rate finding lefty political forums, and raiding user's homes. Out of 100 users, there's probably at least 10 with drugs. And who knows, maybe one of them was reading radical political ideology about saving sharks, or climate change, or something. They'd probably get an even better strike rate going to the hardline-right, super-racist Facebook pages where everyone's stupid enough to be using their real names and posting pictures of themselves, and it wouldn't even be very hard. Politics in this country is sometimes like watching a Let's Play by someone who's really trying, but just isn't intellectually there enough to realize the obvious solution to a problem. I'm just screaming at my computer screen in vague hope to distract myself from the fact that I am wasting my life.
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 16:07 |
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V for Vegas posted:Jay walking crackdown in Sydney - just saw 2 cops fine a guy in the CBD for crossing against the light. WTF?? Happens in Melb cbd whenever a new class graduates from vicpol academy. Jaywalking blitz for three or four random days.
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Amethyst posted:This is a really inappropriate and stupid response to what was just posted, dude. I mean I know we are against the police state here, and I agree with you that the raid last year was poorly conducted. Diet Crack fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Oct 7, 2015 |
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Nibbles! posted:I wonder if there's a staffer right now hitting ctrl+f on decades old speeches and replacing 'Asians' with 'Muslims'. I don't think Hanson can afford staff yet
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 21:23 |
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My question is: since the shoot was a believer in the Muslim faith, thus the police were quick to call it a terrorist act, does this mean Ned Kelly was a terrorist, as he shot police and was a part of a then hated religion (Catholicism, which disliked pretty heavily by Protestants) and from a disadvantaged race (Irish)?
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 22:48 |
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He did rob banks, which some would attribute as his central motive.
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 22:56 |
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ewe2 posted:Speaking of dickheads, Kroger and the Vic Libs having another senior moment: Do we have more recent polling in McEwen to go from? I only know the last election results where there was a ~9% swing to Lib and Labor held it with like a .3% margin. Would be heartening if that was widening again.
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You Am I posted:My question is: since the shoot was a believer in the Muslim faith, thus the police were quick to call it a terrorist act, does this mean Ned Kelly was a terrorist, as he shot police and was a part of a then hated religion (Catholicism, which disliked pretty heavily by Protestants) and from a disadvantaged race (Irish)? Sure why not. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/201730328?searchTerm=%22kelly%20gang%22%20terror&searchLimits=l-decade=187 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/148526893?searchTerm=%22kelly%20gang%22%20terrorism&searchLimits=l-decade=187
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I think terrorist and religious extremist are two separate but often related things. I think it would be hard to make the case that the Kelly Gang were motivated by religion, but depending how you define terrorist they could fit the bill.chaos rhames posted:He did rob banks, which some would attribute as his central motive. Its a long time since I read up on the topic, but I'm pretty sure towards the point where they all got wiped out they were highly motivated by a hatred of Cops.
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 23:44 |
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Zenithe posted:This gem was from the UPFs page. Couple of pages back now, but I just noticed one of these taped to a lightpole near the uni. In the middle of a roundabout. Who the gently caress do they think is going to read that? I wouldn't have even known what it was if it weren't for this picture. It's torn in two now though. It's gladdening to know that some fascist has probably lost his job at officeworks for using the printer for personal use, or has wasted hundreds of dollars in coloured ink on posters no one is going to read.
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 23:56 |
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Hey, what's the deal with filming people without their knowledge? My local moron chapter went "undercover" at the local Islamic Centre and filmed something, then posted it on facebook.
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Zenithe posted:Hey, what's the deal with filming people without their knowledge? My local moron chapter went "undercover" at the local Islamic Centre and filmed something, then posted it on facebook. Definitely not halal. The centre could sue them and claim ownership of the footage, like Today Tonight did with the Chaser crew. GrandTheftAutism fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Oct 8, 2015 |
# ? Oct 8, 2015 00:09 |
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I'm ignorant here, but the abc and other media outlets, blur out faces of civilians involved in court cases in certain circumstances, not just children who have specific protection for obvious reasons. I remember that ranga Muslim convert who married off his 12 year old daughter could request to have his face blurred, but that might relate to specific broadcasting obligations media organisations have to follow or a legal mechanism to enforce privacy for the defendant. But then that meth head who killed a lot of puppies did not have his face hidden by the media, instead he had his own form of privacy by wearing a jumper over his head exposing his baby bump. And if I were him I would probably not want the Australian public to know my ugly face.
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# ? Oct 8, 2015 00:12 |
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Revealed: How I saw Farhad Jabar change a week before he became a killer In his last weeks, Farhad Jabar started skipping school. Most mornings, in his school uniform, he would turn up alone to Parramatta mosque. That’s where Isaac first saw him. “I attend the mosque on a daily basis as I’m walking to work. In the morning it’s quite empty,” Isaac says. “In the last two or three months I noticed this young person.” A week after the death of Curtis Cheng, students at Arthur Phillip High School have remembered Jabar as quietly devout, a talented basketballer and a friendly but private classmate. But what drove the teenager – a timid, withdrawn 15-year-old with no history of violence – remains a mystery. Isaac, who asked for his real name to be withheld after calls by rightwing groups for attacks on Muslims, agreed to share with Guardian Australia his impressions of the young man he met in the mosque that day, and got to know over the next few months, until a “bizarre, concerning” final encounter a fortnight ago. Jabar, in his school uniform, “stuck out” in Parramatta mosque the first morning he met Isaac. “He was just hanging out there, reading books, praying,” he says. “It was 9am, he should have been in school … It’s not normal behaviour to isolate yourself.” Their first encounters were frosty, but gradually the 15-year-old opened up. “He told me things weren’t going well at school, he wasn’t interested in school any more, that he was being bullied. He said he didn’t like it any more. He wasn’t interested because he wasn’t feeling good. “He spoke about it with a sense of sorrow,” he says. Isaac became concerned about the boy’s mental health. “Sometimes he would be quite bubbly. Sometimes he would be quite withdrawn. And those are typical signs of all sorts of mental health conditions, especially young people,” Isaac says. “I presented my concerns to psychologists and other professionals and got some feedback. And the feedback was, these were depressive symptoms, these were symptoms of trauma, of anxiety.” On Wednesday Isaac was still struggling to make sense of the killing of 58-year-old Curtis Cheng, a crime he said was “absolutely horrific”. He is haunted by the image of the boy, in traditional Islamic garb, waving a gun and strutting before the New South Wales police headquarters in Parramatta. “It was a shock to the core,” he said. “[Jabar] was soft-spoken, really gentle, you got a really innocent boy-like feeling about him. “[Friday] was the first time I’ve ever seen him in the tradition Islamic clothing. Just his mannerisms in terms of pacing up and down, trying to pump himself up, I’d never seen that sort of behaviour from him.” In the past few weeks Isaac felt he had begun to make progress with Jabar. They arranged to have a hot chocolate. Isaac wanted to set him on the right path. “I told him, I know you’re not happy at school, but what do you want to do with your life? I have all sorts of connections I can hook you up with. If you want to work, if you want to get into a trade, if you want to get into external study, let’s talk about it.” He says his last encounter with Jabar, one week before the killing, was “bizarre, concerning”. “Over the period of time that I got to know him he would greet me with a handshake followed by a hug. And he was generally always alone. “But the last time I saw him he was with four males sitting down on the mosque floor, who I hadn’t seen before. And he saw me, but pretended not to see me, just gave me the cold shoulder. “So I went over to the group, said to them Salaam Alaikum, peace be upon you. And he shook my hand, then brushed me off and the rest of the group didn’t respond,” he said. “That’s a big deal in the Islamic faith. One of the rights you have upon a fellow Muslim is to greet them with the best greeting. But he responded really coldly. I got the sense he didn’t want the others to know we had an interaction going on.” He discovered that Jabar was behind Friday’s shooting on Saturday, when photos of the teenager first circulated. “Honestly, it was as if my heart dropped. I was lost for words,” he says. He is bitter about the way Parramatta mosque has been “dragged through the mud” in the past week. The prayer hall is known for its emphasis on community service, and he says the sermons are deeply spiritual and inspiring. “They lift you up as a human, you could never draw any negative connotations from them. You could never draw any connection between what’s preached and anyone getting a radical idea.” He had seen Jabar as a young man looking to be guided. “He was so vulnerable and so mentally confused or unwell that he was so easily susceptible to any figure of acceptance or group acceptance,” he says. “As a young person growing up in Australia, especially if you’re of an ethnic background, what are you looking for? Acceptance, identity.” Isaac says mental illness is still poorly understood within some Muslim communities, as it is in many other parts of society. “[We] need to understand the religious and cultural implications that mental health has. A young Muslim person battling depression isn’t going to go out and talk about it. “It’s seen as something, within the context of the community, it doesn’t feed into the notion of being a man, of being resilient.” Isaac has passed what he knows to authorities. He is helping to organise a conference on mental health in an Islamic cultural context, work that has now taken on a new significance. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/08/farhad-jabar-troubled-soft-spoken-boy-turned-into-killer
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Zenithe posted:Hey, what's the deal with filming people without their knowledge? My local moron chapter went "undercover" at the local Islamic Centre and filmed something, then posted it on facebook. Was it in public or was it technically inside the Islamic Centre?
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Vladimir Poutine posted:Was it in public or was it technically inside the Islamic Centre? It was filmed at an open day inside the centre.
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# ? Oct 8, 2015 00:43 |
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You should probably ask the crew thread. There are a couple of legal goons like TOML and Lordpants who post there who could probably tell you straight up what the deal is.
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iajanus posted:Do we have more recent polling in McEwen to go from? I only know the last election results where there was a ~9% swing to Lib and Labor held it with like a .3% margin. Would be heartening if that was widening again. Nothing solid, its an anecdotal battle of the internal polling from what I hear. ALP are quietly confident they're getting a base of support but that could be BS too. Kroger's just talking up the chances though, McEwan is one of those lineball electorates but it's also changed significantly. They are very desperate to lock that in so I won't be surprised if they throw money at it like they did in Bendigo the last state and federal elections. It didn't help in Bendigo and I'm not convinced the state party has any better ideas than "throw money at it".
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As a bit of a palate cleanser: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-08/liberal-party-director-brian-loughnane-to-stand-down/6836562 quote:Brian Loughnane: Liberal Party director stands down, to be replaced by former Howard COS Tony Nutt By political editor Chris Uhlmann Updated about an hour ago ScoMo may not have realised that the treasurer's chair included a poison chalice: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/penalty-rates-under/6836080 He really doesn't sound confident and unfortunately all the facts and figures of the economic portfolio are not generated 'on water' so you can't just extemporise. And just when you thought you'd heard it all before: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/investigation-reveals-nuclear/6835832 quote:Investigation reveals ISIS nuclear links Thursday 8 October 2015 6:16AM hosed up if true. Call me fixated, but just once I would like them to mention the two elephants in the room when discussing radicalisation (ie) Civilian killings in the Middle East and Assylum Seeker treatment: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/tackling-youth-radicalism/6836046 quote:Tackling youth radicalism Thursday 8 October 2015 7:52AM So close (she actually mentions the Middle East and government policy in general terms). Resources for youth support services you say? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-15/budget-2014-youth-unemployment/5455906 Hey that Blimp Smelting! : http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-08/labor-lists-10-infrastructure-projects-it-will-back-if-elected/6835660 quote:Bill Shorten to announce 10 infrastructure projects Labor will back if they win next election by political reporter Dan Conifer Updated about 2 hours ago quote:10 projects Labor would back Now that is a difference between Turdbull and Squonking I can get behind. This raises more questions than it answers. Let's hope nobody gets screwed over...(lol): http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-08/bluescope-workers-vote-yes/6836414 quote:BlueScope Steel workers vote to forfeit jobs, working conditions in bid to prevent Port Kembla plant closure Updated 55 minutes ago And finally: Don't click it ->http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...672316b95b7d8a0 quote:Sydney raids expose teen terror links THE AUSTRALIAN OCTOBER 8, 2015 12:00AM The Alameddine brothers have clearly been the subject of ongoing police targeting. That much can be established. The rest is speculation including the 'Middle East crime gang*' gun supply and yet the headline was - "Sydney raids expose teen terror links" They did nothing of the kind and reasonable people will wait until the inquests are complete before slapping such irresponsible labels onto things that aren't in anyway known or certain. * "one of Sydney’s most powerful Middle Eastern crime gangs" So many we can only speculate on the most powerful of them
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# ? Oct 8, 2015 03:12 |
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On the bright side we're getting some variety in absolutely terrible journalism. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/08/we-still-know-very-little-about-violent-extremism-and-your-theories-arent-helping
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# ? Oct 8, 2015 03:30 |
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What do you think is wrong with it?
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# ? Oct 8, 2015 03:47 |
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I think he agrees with the critique in the article he posted.
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# ? Oct 8, 2015 03:54 |
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Amethyst posted:I think he agrees with the critique in the article he posted. Not really. Some of her points are reasonable but she's all over the place. "...the current younger, fresher and angrier crop of violent extremists" reads like a quote from the Simpsons and "They were, as difficult as it may be to accept, active participants in their own radicalisation. Their choices were wrong and misguided, but they were their choices nonetheless." is an absolutely bizarre claim to make about to make about children bordering on victim blaming and seems at odds with an article saying we shouldn't speculate. Implying that that he was a willing participant with full agency is just as counterproductive as implying that he was brainwashed.
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open24hours posted:Not really. Some of her points are reasonable but she's all over the place. She isn't referring to the kid there. She's referring to the research into 100 "lone" jihadists she has been conducting over the years at curtin university. What she says about the kid amounts to "it's too early to say what caused this", which is the only reasonable thing anyone has said about this whole mess.
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