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Randler posted:Nationalismus bezeichnet Weltanschauungen und damit verbundene politische Bewegungen, die die Herstellung und Konsolidierung eines souveränen Nationalstaats und eine bewusste Identifizierung und Solidarisierung aller Mitglieder mit der Nation anstreben.
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Cingulate posted:Similarly, pacifism is fascism because it means being against war against the 3rd Reich, I see you are familiar with my essay on Margot Käßmann's opinion re: justification for the war against Hitler.
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Oct 4, 2015 16:26
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Uh, Randler did you just state the insane opinion that Nazis can't be antisemites because they're defenders of nationalism? Because that's what I'm getting at here on my end of the discussion. 
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Oct 4, 2015 16:27
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Libluini posted:Uh, Randler did you just state the insane opinion that Nazis can't be antisemites because they're defenders of nationalism? Because that's what I'm getting at here on my end of the discussion. Nein. Prämisse 1: Wer Nationalismus ablehnt, lehnt die Existenz von Nationalstaaten ab. Prämisse 2: Israel ist ein Nationalstaat. Also lehnt der, der Nationalismus ablehnt, die Existenz von Israel ab. Prämisse 3: Wer die Existenz von Israel ablehnt, ist ein Antisemit. Aus meinen Prämissen ergibt sich nicht, dass Leute die Nationalismus beführworten keine Antisemiten sind. Dafür müssten an einign Stellen "nur"s eingefügt werden.
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Oct 4, 2015 16:34
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Randler posted:Nein.
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Oct 4, 2015 16:47
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Randler posted:Nein. Das scheitert schon an der ersten Prämisse, da jemand der Nationalismus ablehnt darunter normalerweise die extremsten Formen von Nationalismus versteht. Aber selbst wenn ich die schludrige Logik durchgehen lasse, funktioniert Prämisse 3 nicht, weil die totale Ablehnung von Nationalimus auch die Existenz der israelischen Nachbarstaaten trifft. Da fehlt ein "nur". Praktisch die einzige Prämisse die richtig ist, ist Prämisse 2: Israel ist in der Tat ein Nationalstaat. Ich will mal großzügig sein und sagen: Ja, rein technisch und wortwörtlich gesehen funktionieren Prämisse 1 und 2 ganz gut. Prämisse 3 ist aber total Banane und aus 1 und 2 kann man alles mögliche schließen, schließlich haben wir es hier mit Extremisten zu tun die alle 200+ Staaten der Welt ablehnen. Prämisse 3 hier ist das Problem, weil sie falsch ist. Alles Schlussfolgerungen, die Prämisse 3 enthalten, sind deshalb ebenso falsch. Cingulate posted:As a linguist, I must point out you're stupid. (The syllogism doesn't translate into the real world.) Das sowieso, aber dieser Mist funktioniert nicht mal auf dem Gebiet reiner Logik. 
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Oct 4, 2015 16:57
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Ist 3 überhaupt ne Prämisse und nicht die Schlussfolgerung aus 1 und 2?
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Oct 4, 2015 17:06
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Man kann Israel ablehnen, ohne die ersten beiden Punkte zu erfüllen.
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Oct 4, 2015 17:15
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Randler posted:Nein. Mit Verlaub, verehrter Mitpostender, aber das ist doch vollkommener Humbug, was Sie da von sich lassen. Wer eine Idee oder eine Ideologie ablehnt, stellt doch nicht automatisch das Existenzrecht ihrer Anhänger in Frage! Nur um hier ein Beispiel nennen: Ich persönlich lehne das Tragen von Fedorahütten kategorisch ab. Es ist mit einem modernen Modeverständnis einfach nicht vereinbar und fördert die Verbreitung von Ungeziefer wie Flöhen und Läusen. Nichtsdestotrotz, würde ich niemals versuchen gewaltsam gegen die huttragende Bevölkerung vorzugehen. Das Existenzrecht dieser Menschen steht für mich nicht zur Debatte.
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Oct 4, 2015 17:47
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What the gently caress?
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Oct 4, 2015 23:01
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here in the USA we have a name for the 'anti-deutsche': neocons but it is funny to see germans of all people arguing that any nation, jewish or not, has a god-given right to ethnic cleansing icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Oct 4, 2015 23:08
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:What the gently caress?
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Oct 4, 2015 23:34
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icantfindaname posted:here in the USA we have a name for the 'anti-deutsche': neocons Literally no one is arguing that, but by all means keep laughing at people who only exist in your head, it's a sign of good mental health
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Oct 5, 2015 01:40
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icantfindaname posted:here in the USA we have a name for the 'anti-deutsche': neocons what is it with you and trolling in the Germany thread? did a German kill your parents on their way home from the opera or something? (i'm sorry if that's your real origin story, don't mean to offend)
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Oct 5, 2015 01:44
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i'm not doing the trolling, reality is 
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Oct 5, 2015 01:59
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Randler posted:Nein. randler are you drunk, you're not usually this stupid.
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Oct 5, 2015 08:51
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Pretty sure he's just trolling tbh
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Oct 5, 2015 09:43
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Germans are completely impervious to trolling and he should know that. We're a nation of "glaubst du, dass das jemand tun würde, ins Internet zu gehen und Lügen erzählen?" I've seen that happen time and time again in German forums. You don't do "jokes" there. Every exaggeration will be corrected by three well-meaning super-correct Germans who politely tell you that you are wrong.
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Oct 5, 2015 10:29
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Simply Simon posted:You don't do "jokes" there. Every exaggeration will be corrected by three well-meaning super-correct Germans who politely tell you that you are wrong. case in point: famous 80's gameshow "Stackenblocken" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3nRFnBEZCc
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Simply Simon posted:Germans are completely impervious to trolling and he should know that. We're a nation of "glaubst du, dass das jemand tun würde, ins Internet zu gehen und Lügen erzählen?" I wouldn't call this impervious, susceptible is more like it. ...he said, partly proving the point.
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Simply Simon posted:Germans are completely impervious to trolling and he should know that. We're a nation of "glaubst du, dass das jemand tun würde, ins Internet zu gehen und Lügen erzählen?" too many vaccines i guess, what can you do? tragic situation all around
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Simply Simon posted:Germans are completely impervious to trolling and he should know that. We're a nation of "glaubst du, dass das jemand tun würde, ins Internet zu gehen und Lügen erzählen?" This is a uniquely German problem, no one outside the German borders of 1990 has ever fallen for sarcasm on the Internet
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Oct 5, 2015 17:35
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ArchangeI posted:This is a uniquely German problem, no one outside the German borders of 1990 has ever fallen for sarcasm on the Internet
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Oct 5, 2015 17:48
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Silly Randler, even the Antigermans acknowledge that Israel needs to be abolished last (because it's special) and Germany first (because it's the other kind of special).
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Oct 5, 2015 18:15
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Tagesspiegel von heute:
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Oct 7, 2015 09:37
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Zwille posted:Tagesspiegel von heute: relevant: 
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Zwille posted:Tagesspiegel von heute:
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Oct 7, 2015 16:40
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Zwille posted:Tagesspiegel von heute: Jesus christ, they hosed up that book adaptation like their life depended on it. German cinema should really give up the struggle and collectively walk into the North Sea.
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Oct 7, 2015 18:18
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waitwhatno posted:Jesus christ, they hosed up that book adaptation like their life depended on it. German cinema should really give up the struggle and collectively walk into the North Sea. Did you already watch it? What were your gripes? I've only read the book halfway, though, so no spoilers please 
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Zwille posted:Did you already watch it? What were your gripes? I've only read the book halfway, though, so no spoilers please nah, I only watched the trailers and they are really, really bad. hey, if you couldn't get through the book, you should try the audiobook read by Christoph Maria Herbst. It's fantastic stuff and I think it's one of the main reasons why the book became so popular in the first place. http://youtu.be/84tWgEgq6-g?t=326
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Apparently a lot of books are made into movies, there's a movie version of "Spieltrieb". I can only imagine how and  it's going to be. 
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waitwhatno posted:nah, I only watched the trailers and they are really, really bad. I watched a trailer on TV and at the start I thought it was an advertisement for an insurance company. Ten seconds later I realized it was a movie trailer. Another ten seconds later I realized they had tried to make a joke 20 seconds ago. It's really, really loving bad.
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botany posted:Another ten seconds later I realized they had tried to make a joke 20 seconds ago. Germany.txt
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Ordnung muss sein.
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Orange Devil posted:Germany.txt stromberg exists and is art 
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Das Ende von Stormberg der Film ist eher eine Art Dokumentation in welche Art von Leuten es in welcher Organisation nach oben schaffen. 
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So, uh, I've been pretty detached from German news since January...someone explain to me really quick why I'm seeing the Chef of the Deutsche Polizeigewerkschaft talk about absolute pandemonium surrounding the Fluechtlingsheime in terms of crime against them, crime within them and crime from within them?
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Duzzy Funlop posted:So, uh, I've been pretty detached from German news since January...someone explain to me really quick why I'm seeing the Chef of the Deutsche Polizeigewerkschaft talk about absolute pandemonium surrounding the Fluechtlingsheime in terms of crime against them, crime within them and crime from within them? Too many brown people, not enough living space. I read something earlier that apparently in one refugee center a 200(?) Albanians and Afghans caused a huge riot because there was only a single multi-plug available to charge the phones for god knows how many people. Germany is completely overrun with people who hate each other and have to live together in confined space. Riso fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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