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This speakership situation is wild. Is Boehner locked in until the next election? If they don't have the votes for a new speaker the situation's not going to change any time soon, and any 'moderate'/establishment candidate would actually be in a worse position than him since as a dead man walking he's at least free to make unpopular moves. He's already completely symbolically surrendered even if they won't let him leave. This debacle must've cost him what little authority and control he had left. Even moderates sympathetic to him must know he can't make promises or command loyalty in his current state, if he brings a debt ceiling increase or a clean CR to a vote he's not even a target worth venting at - it'll be whatever 30 or so Republicans stick their necks out to get must-pass legislation done and bear the brunt of Conservative scorn. Any speaker elected with help from the Democrats would have to make concessions to them and be seen as a traitor and weakling by the base. Even if they make Boehner bring up votes to keep the government and world economy solvent, will there be the votes? If everyone but the hardliners went in for them that might provide more cover, but if it's just a bare minority then they're painting targets on their backs.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Even neurosurgeons can have brainfarts. In this case, he suffers from brainflatulence. He suffers from being a literal moron who is only good at one thing.
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Oct 9, 2015 07:39
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Lotka Volterra posted:He suffers from being a literal moron who is only good at one thing. Good With Brains
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Oct 9, 2015 07:43
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BrandorKP posted:It's worth listening to Carson on Marketplace today. Kai fucks his poo poo up. I guarantee you he's not the only one in the GOP that doesn't understand the difference between raising the debt limit and authorizing spending. I'd bet some of the Freedom Caucus nutbars think it too.
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Oct 9, 2015 07:57
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AfroLine posted:Ben Carson was held at gunpoint at a Popeyes. That's wrong. If true, he's not the only one. http://www.11alive.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/04/22/pregnant-popeyes-worker-fired-robbery/26177561/ quote:CHANNELVIEW, Texas -- A fast food restaurant is robbed and the shift manager says she got fired for refusing to pay the money back.
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Oct 9, 2015 08:06
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CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Drudge Report, and Huffington Post all have the Speaker situation as their top news story, but one media outlet conspicuously does not.
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Oct 9, 2015 08:24
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Was McCarthy dropping out of the speaker race because of his Benghazi comments? It would be really funny if Hillary putting out those ads took out their only viable option for leadership.
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Oct 9, 2015 08:35
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Welp, Carson had a good run:quote:Ben Carson said Thursday that he wants the Voting Rights Act protected, adding he'd like to hear Jeb Bush explain why he does not support its reauthorization. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/ben-carson-voting-rights-act-jeb-bush/index.html Though I expect we'll be hearing a "clarification" from his campaign later on saying he misunderstood the question and oh by the way did you know that more Republicans than Democrats voted for the CRA?
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Oct 9, 2015 09:05
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It's because he's loving another Representative. He'll end up resigning over it, and presumably she will as well. It was really almost indescribably stupid of them.
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Oct 9, 2015 09:06
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Peztopiary posted:It's because he's loving another Representative. He'll end up resigning over it, and presumably she will as well. It was really almost indescribably stupid of them. Haha no they won't.
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Oct 9, 2015 09:16
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PostNouveau posted:Was McCarthy dropping out of the speaker race because of his Benghazi comments? It would be really funny if Hillary putting out those ads took out their only viable option for leadership. It's almost certainly the sex scandal. The Benghazi thing wasn't really much of a gaffe. The majority of the party is really okay with having a select committee whose purpose is to gently caress with Hillary, and when it comes to the speakership that's all that matters. They probably think he's kind of dumb for saying it out loud in the media, but they don't disagree with his statement at all. Also, unless someone finds pics, that sex scandal didn't happen. Neither Ellmers nor McCarthy are gonna want to talk about it, and as long as they weren't real loving stupid about covering their tracks in a technical sense then they'll stay as unsubstantiated accusations.
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Oct 9, 2015 09:31
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Maybe. I'll admit I'm just openly salivating for more chaos and shattered lives in the Republican caucus. They're certainly smart enough to have covered their tracks, but a man can dream.
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quote:Also, unless someone finds pics, that sex scandal didn't happen. Neither Ellmers nor McCarthy are gonna want to talk about it, and as long as they weren't real loving stupid about covering their tracks in a technical sense then they'll stay as unsubstantiated accusations. The sex scandal theory is mainly being advanced by Tea Party sites who have a vested interest in fantasizing about how corrupt the RINOs are. The theory doesn't exactly hold up, as no one in the Freedom Caucus seems like they would have the tact to keep their mouths shut if they knew of such a thing. Out of the possible actual reasons for him withdrawing, it's almost certainly because he didn't have 218 votes, no matter what he tells the press he would have won with. If he could have gotten 219-220 he would still be in the race. If the choice is winning by a slim margin or badly embarrassing the GOP and sending the House into disarray, you do the first thing. He couldn't do the first thing. The Benghazi gaffe was bad, but it wouldn't conceivably have affected his standing with the Freedom Caucus, who would more likely than not proudly admit the same, nor with the old guard, who had clearly decided he was The Guy by Thursday morning, hence the shock. Do the math. The Freedom Caucus has about 40 seats of the 247 Republican seats. The Speaker needs 218. McCarthy didn't have the 40 votes.
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Peztopiary posted:Maybe. I'll admit I'm just openly salivating for more chaos and shattered lives in the Republican caucus. They're certainly smart enough to have covered their tracks, but a man can dream. You would be amazed (actually, you probably wouldn't be) at how dumb someone can be and still advance pretty far in politics. Multiple candidates in the GOP primary seemed incapable of articulating a coherent point, Jud McMillan filmed himself having an affair and then sent it to his entire contacts list, and the ostensible favorite for the Speaker of the House -- a position that in theory requires effective politicking -- committed the indescribably stupid offense of revealing the intended purpose of the permanent select committee on Benghazi. And this is just what I can remember since the start of summer. We elect some truly dumb motherfuckers to office in this country.
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Oct 9, 2015 10:15
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:The sex scandal theory is mainly being advanced by Tea Party sites who have a vested interest in fantasizing about how corrupt the RINOs are. The theory doesn't exactly hold up, as no one in the Freedom Caucus seems like they would have the tact to keep their mouths shut if they knew of such a thing. The funny thing is, this means that in a practical sense, the Republican Party has effectively split in two: the Tea Party is a separate party with separate goals, and it is unwilling to form a coalition with the Republicans. This is what a parliamentary crisis looks like in a first-past-the-post system.
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Oct 9, 2015 10:17
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"You know, I'm a brain surgeon. The tragedy is that the only brain I couldn't fix... is my own."
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Oct 9, 2015 10:22
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:The platinum coin thing being bullshit, I actually don't know whether there is an option. What if Boehner were incapacitated? The Platinum Coin is constitutionally dubious and the Federal Reserve has explicitly stated that they would not use it to avoid a default. The White House's legal advisors have recommended what they think is the "least unconstitutional option," prioritization. To avoid default, President Obama would probably invoke Section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment to make sure the country honors its bond obligations at the expense of all other services. Such a solution would entail a complete shutdown of entitlements, salaries, and most government agencies while the U.S. directed the remainder of its limited funds to fulfill bonds.
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Oct 9, 2015 10:25
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The tea party strikes me more of a nationalist millenarian movement than a "real" ideology. That, or just typical ignorant populism, but it kind of wigs me out how quasi religious a lot of the hyper nationalist poo poo they go on about is, and how it's combined with an undercurrent of stark terror that the one true American Way is being destroyed forever, by a variety of traitors and sellouts. And how it's combined with actual religious extremism. I should maybe not read about later Qing history for a bit.
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Oct 9, 2015 10:40
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I feel like there's a contradiction between "we need guns to fight government tyranny, or else we're going to get genocided like the people in Germany" and "we need to throw out all of the illegal immigrants" I mean, wouldn't the immigrants think that was government tyranny, and shouldn't they be entitled to fight off the government with guns?
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Oct 9, 2015 10:48
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gradenko_2000 posted:I feel like there's a contradiction between "we need guns to fight government tyranny, or else we're going to get genocided like the people in Germany" and "we need to throw out all of the illegal immigrants" But they're not white so,
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Oct 9, 2015 11:16
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The Freedom Caucus released their quote:Would you ensure conservatives have appropriate representation on the Steering committee? The Freedom Caucus would like to thank you for your time in answering these completely voluntary questions. Your participation is appreciated.
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Oct 9, 2015 11:19
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gradenko_2000 posted:I feel like there's a contradiction between "we need guns to fight government tyranny, or else we're going to get genocided like the people in Germany" and "we need to throw out all of the illegal immigrants" That's what really confused me about Carson's Hitler comment. He knows the Nazis are evil because of hindsight, but unless he's totally down with the weird sovereign citizen poo poo, he can't possibly be advocating shooting cops that report to a government that you consider evil. That's pretty ballsy of someone trying to become an elected official.
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Oct 9, 2015 12:18
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Mister Macys posted:If true, he's not the only one. There may not be unions But she has the right to quit at any time ! 
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Oct 9, 2015 12:44
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The rumor I've heard is that McCarthy resigns from the house at 9am before video evidence of the Ellmers affair comes out. No clue if it's true or not, but I was told by someone a hell of a lot closer to the action than I am.
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Oct 9, 2015 12:55
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AhhYes posted:The rumor I've heard is that McCarthy resigns from the house at 9am before video evidence of the Ellmers affair comes out. No clue if it's true or not, but I was told by someone a hell of a lot closer to the action than I am. If this is true, what a loving month.
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Oct 9, 2015 13:02
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AhhYes posted:The rumor I've heard is that McCarthy resigns from the house at 9am before video evidence of the Ellmers affair comes out. No clue if it's true or not, but I was told by someone a hell of a lot closer to the action than I am. This is just ridiculous now.
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How many Republicans have been ousted by affairs in the last few months? Is this three?
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Oct 9, 2015 13:04
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QuoProQuid posted:Would you commit to impeach IRS Commissioner John Koskinen and pressure the Senate to take it up? Why do they want to do this specifically, just because IRS=taxes=bad?
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happyhippy posted:Why do they want to do this specifically, just because IRS=taxes=bad? The IRS via sneaky Obama order were targeting the tea party with increased audits, remember?
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Pox posted:Actually, the first thing President Sanders will need to do is stop blaming republicans for this 30% unemployment and fix his 5 trillion dollar deficit by agreeing to eliminate Social Security. Replace social security with a youth jobs program and GMI 
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Let the games......BEGIN!!!! http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/darrell-issa-potential-house-speaker-candidate-214600?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter quote:Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said Friday that he could "potentially" be a candidate for speaker of the House but also gave the name of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) as someone who he would support for the position. Also, there was a shooting overnight at NAU in Arizona. But you know, stuff happens. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/shooting-northern-arizona-university-campus-leaves-1-dead-3-injured/ RevKrule fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Oct 9, 2015 |
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PostNouveau posted:I guarantee you he's not the only one in the GOP that doesn't understand the difference between raising the debt limit and authorizing spending. I'd bet some of the Freedom Caucus nutbars think it too. I listened to this interview last night and I'm still angry about what a glib, stupid, mindless motherfucker Ben Carson is. "You can't tell me there's any part of the government that's 100% efficient so I'll just tell every one of them to cut 4% because there's so much fat to be cut. I know this because I've been on the board of some companies." It drives me loving crazy that we have to fight for the world with people like this, who literally parade the fact that they are completely ignorant about what they're doing as a bizarre form of expertise and reject empirical facts as "the liberal media."
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Oct 9, 2015 13:16
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The Ellmers-Mccarthy rumour sounds exactly like the kind of dumb poo poo Chuck Johnson would make up on the GOP nether-web, but Mark Halperin at least apparently buys it. 
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Brigadier Sockface posted:This is just ridiculous now. We'll see shortly how accurate that is, but honestly, I hope it isn't true. McCarthy losing the speakership because the Freedom caucus has the party by the balls is waaaaay more entertaining than an affair. More damaging to the long-term prospects of the Republican party too.
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Radish posted:How many Republicans have been ousted by affairs in the last few months? Is this three? Depends. Do you count it double when the affair is with another Republican politician, as appears to have happened twice in the last two weeks? By the way, Daily Caller is reporting that the "affair with Ellmers" story was posted to Wikipedia from a DHS IP address. How reliable is that website? Edit: by the way, speaking of Chuck Johnson, Daily Caller is crediting him and Breitbart with breaking the McCarthy-Ellmers story in the first place. Grundulum fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Oct 9, 2015 |
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McDowell posted:Replace social security with a youth jobs program and GMI So he's cribbing at least half of that from House of Cards.
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It's nice to see that a black man like Carson is regurgitating the old Neo-Nazi/white supremacist notion that gun control caused the Holocaust. We're really making strides with multiculturalism in this country people.
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computer parts posted:So he's cribbing at least half of that from House of Cards. I actually binged on House of Cards season 3 a couple of weeks ago and it just felt so dated, what with LGBT rights still being a thing in its canon (I'm sorry if this sounds glib) and taking itself completely seriously compared to the insanity that is the Republican primaries.
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Is the Republican party even capable of being led currently? People like Ted Cruz have made a political career out of essentially running against their own party. The current strategy of the wingnut politicians seems to be promise your crazy constituents something impossible (repeal Obamacare, unfund PP, etc.), then rail against your own party's leadership for being RINO appeasers when they fail to accomplish said impossible goal.
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I keep waiting for the msm to start calling the Freedom Caucus "extremists". They have certainly earned it. At most we now get "hard-right" which is not really accurate at all.
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