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Flaskraven posted:Is it just me or is $25000 an incredibly small amount of money for such a big corporation? Well they probably could pay more but why would they? If a politician refuses then that money doesn't go up it goes to a rival. Same with any sort of wage payment.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:sucides by firearm should be celebrated, not mourned. when someone is suicidal, they are willing to do harm to themselves. sometime they threaten to harm themselves with a gun. this makes you a bad guy with a gun, right? but when you shoot that person, you are eliminating a threat, therefore also being at the same time a good guy with a gun. since the highest and best use of a gun is to exercise your right to self defense, being a good guy with a gun trumps the simultaneous aspect of being a bad guy with a gun, so you die a hero and a stoic defender of the second amendment of the united states constitution. it then follows that there are far more successful uses of the firearm in self defense every year than homicides, proving yet again that firearms are necessary to protect yourself from mortal threat. \ 
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borkencode posted:That was me. If I had a poo poo ton of extra money and wasn't afraid of getting flagged for financing terrorism, I'd send the guy $10,000, he can keep the extra for his effort and let me know how his plan works out.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:sucides by firearm should be celebrated, not mourned. when someone is suicidal, they are willing to do harm to themselves. sometime they threaten to harm themselves with a gun. this makes you a bad guy with a gun, right? but when you shoot that person, you are eliminating a threat, therefore also being at the same time a good guy with a gun. since the highest and best use of a gun is to exercise your right to self defense, being a good guy with a gun trumps the simultaneous aspect of being a bad guy with a gun, so you die a hero and a stoic defender of the second amendment of the united states constitution. it then follows that there are far more successful uses of the firearm in self defense every year than homicides, proving yet again that firearms are necessary to protect yourself from mortal threat. But what if that good bad guy shoots other good guys before he shoots himself? Does that make his net good guy value less? Or are we assuming that potential good guys only become actualized good guys if they successfully kill the bad guy? Also, in failing to kill a bad guy, does that turn a potential good guy a failure, and there for an overall negative, making them also bad guys?
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borkencode posted:That was me. Yeah, whether you use separate Amazon accounts or not, ordering 80 deliveries of ammonium nitrate all to the same address is gonna raise some red flags.
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Julio Cruz posted:Yeah, whether you use separate Amazon accounts or not, ordering 80 deliveries of ammonium nitrate all to the same address is gonna raise some red flags. If it's not 80 orders to the same address that get scrutiny, it's going to be the 80 orders from the same IP address, with the same credit card, done in quick succession, or just 80 accounts registered in quick succession. All of which can be bypassed with a lot of dedication. Meanwhile, getting a gun can be done in a few days and you only need 1. Rick_Hunter fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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Even if you do evade the detection algorithms for buying dangerous chemicals, you're likely to start sending up anti money laundering flags in the process.
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borkencode posted:That was me. It still astounds me that people don't think twice about saying "if you can't stop all crimes why bother trying to stop any?"
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Because I definitely can't be pro-gun control and pro-bomb control, those are mutually exclusive.
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SalTheBard posted:
Fixed. I have the misfortune of being subjected to CNN at lunch, and I also have the misfortune of having an otherwise nice coworker with gross opinions. Ben Carson came on and he was like, "He worked hard and made something of himself. Why can't everyone else?"
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Nyarai posted:Fixed. remind him that ben carson is the platonic ideal of FYGM, who wants to abolish the very food stamps he admits he wouldn't have survived childhood without
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If anyone posts how Israel is a wonderful gun haven, show them this. A friend of mine shared it from facebook:quote:I spent most of Wednesday renewing my gun license. Contrary to what many in the U.S. believe, owning a firearm in Israel is neither common nor easy. Applying for a license is a grueling process, often taking months of security checks and training courses. Keeping that license requires an investment of time, effort, and money. Sounds like pretty good gun control, in my opinion! Edit: the link the person posted doesn't work and I have no idea where it leads to, so ignore it. seiferguy fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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seiferguy posted:If anyone posts how Israel is a wonderful gun haven, show them this. A friend of mine shared it from facebook: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/01/2015-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/
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seiferguy posted:If anyone posts how Israel is a wonderful gun haven, show them this. A friend of mine shared it from facebook: This reminds me... there was some blog post (or maybe is was a Slashdot article) by one of the big open source sperglords of the DotCom era (Eric S. Raymond, as google is telling me) talking about how another 9/11 could be prevented by allowing US airline passengers to carry guns. He cited the fact that there had never been a plane hijacking in Israel as proof this would work. In the replies, several Israelis came forward to tell him how insanely wrong he was about Israeli airline security.
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borkencode posted:That was me. He forgot 80 different mailing addresses.
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This is something that's bothered me about a lot of laws in the US regarding the use of deadly force. Even if it's in self-defense, even if you had no other option, you still killed someone. That should be a big deal. That should come with consequences. Reduced depending on the circumstances, maybe even just some kind of mandatory counseling sessions, but even the most idealized "good guy with a gun" scenario shouldn't end with just walking away like some kind of wild west hero who just won a showdown with Liberty Valance.
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borkencode posted:That was me. You could also argue, if you were of the 'Where the government fears the people you have liberty.' mindset, that he succeeded in discouraging the federal government from making a show of force like that again. Or is this another case of whenever someone actually follows through with that mindset they get disavowed? e: Also he stole the blasting caps he used to detonate the device, AN is pretty hard to detonate, and I notice that they missed out "you can still buy blasting caps". Because you can, but you need a lot of paperwork. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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"American Bikers United Against Jihad" sounded promising to me, and indeed, we hit a rich macro vein. https://www.facebook.com/groups/Americanbikersagainstjihad/ quote:ALL members: This group focuses on the rise of Jihad in the world and America. Off-topic but related posts are welcome. However, we cannot and will not tolerate pornographic or sexually explicit posts and gay-bashing and racist posts and comments. The only colors we see are red, white and blue. Dialog about gay marriage and Black American politics are fair, as long as it’s done in a responsible way. Using the "N" and "C" words, as well as a few other choice words, will get you banned from this group. We would hope you can express yourselves in a responsible, respectful manner. In addition, posting the same post multiple times or posting items for sale can and will get you removed. And we do not allow anyone to ask for money. So let's get crackalackin'  Aliens  1. Palmyra 2. That's not a relic 3. gently caress you    This is what is so scary about open carry people. They are specifically doing it to intimidate you and exert power over everyone around them. You cannot say poo poo about anyone carrying, you cannot look at them funny, you cannot in any way challenge what they are doing because they are desperate to shoot you. But they are free to make you feel your life is at risk, at the mercy of these reactionary dipshits who feel constitutionally entitled to terrorize their communities. Open carry is completely incompatible with civil society.  Woo free stuff  img-crying native american  And not we get to the real meaty "against jihad" bits  haha dead muslims  haha murderrampage  Halloween  Gross  most moral military in the world?  p sure we've changed the constitution a lot  oh putin-san   Ah, there's the biker angle. Of course it's Harleys  all y'all harley guys with small dicks   Accurate  If only she'd had a guuuuuuun  And I'm rubber you're glue  Direct  Remember, men, it's ok to beg for blow jobs, demand them from random women, and brag about them after, but women who perform them are gross whores.  Again, Obama did a thing I hate, why didn't he do it sooner?  Indeed  I thought the heathen public schools couldn't teach anything the parents shouldn't be teaching at home?  
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Defenestration posted:
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Keeshhound posted:This is something that's bothered me about a lot of laws in the US regarding the use of deadly force. Even if it's in self-defense, even if you had no other option, you still killed someone. That should be a big deal. That should come with consequences. Reduced depending on the circumstances, maybe even just some kind of mandatory counseling sessions, Would these sessions be paid for by the state? Would a victim be protected from retaliation for missed workdays, or provided transportation vouchers if they needed them? LeJackal fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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LeJackal posted:Would these sessions be paid for by the state? Would a victim be protected from retaliation for missed workdays, or provided transportation vouchers if they needed them? yea sure why not
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LeJackal posted:Would these sessions be paid for by the state? Would a victim be protected from retaliation for missed workdays, or provided transportation vouchers if they needed them? You know, I suggested that as a peace offering. A chance to meet the other side of the debate half way. But since you can't seem to handle the idea of having to accept any kind of consequences for being responsible for someone else dying, let's just throw that one out and just implement mandatory sentencing. If you someone really thinks their life is in danger, they should be happy to accept a minimum mandatory one year sentence even in cases of clear self defense.
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McDowell posted:I recall quite clearly the DARE cop in elementary school talking to us about guns and saying how it is nothing like the movies and that sophisticated munitions could kill everyone in our classroom without any warning. On the other hand, it's generally safest to assume that anything a DARE cop says is bullshit until and after proven otherwise.
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Keeshhound posted:You know, I suggested that as a peace offering. A chance to meet the other side of the debate half way. But since you can't seem to handle the idea of having to accept any kind of consequences for being responsible for someone else dying Holy poo poo dude, you need to calm down. I'd actually be totally fine with the state providing counseling and therapy for anybody that kills in self defense. That is a traumatic event and all too often health and mental health is not well regarded. (I'd sort of prefer universal healthcare so the issue of payment and provision is moot anyhow, but this could work.) And no, I sort of don't accept that there 'should be consequences' because having someone be doubly victimized is abhorrent. Nobody should first be forced into a situation where their life is in danger, only to escape and be penalized by the state for their insistence on survival. That is insane. Keeshhound posted:just implement mandatory sentencing. If you someone really thinks their life is in danger, they should be happy to accept a minimum mandatory one year sentence even in cases of clear self defense. Mandatory minimums are pretty terrible as a whole, and this is just worse. Sometime tells me that your ideas are not motivated by any genuine desire to great positive social change or good law, but from a simmering place of sneering contempt and privileged ignorance.
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Because the scenario they will lob against you will be "woman scared from angry ex/home invader/etc and shoots him in self defense". Very few people will argue that she then deserves prison time.
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computer parts posted:Because the scenario they will lob against you will be "woman scared from angry ex/home invader/etc and shoots him in self defense". Very few people will argue that she then deserves prison time. And in the real world it will be "state of Mississippi refuses to register counselors who are located in majority-black counties, forcing citizens to travel across the drat state for legally mandated weekly sessions."
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Keeshhound posted:If you someone really thinks their life is in danger, they should be happy to accept a minimum mandatory one year sentence even in cases of clear self defense. What purpose does this serve society? It doesn't decrease the number of people shot in self-defense, because as you note 1 year is paltry comparably so people won't change their actions as a result and thus it's not a preventative move. If you're looking at it from a rehabilitation standpoint, then prison is a piss poor way to go because you're probably going to cost them their job and a majority of their now unpayable debt-repossessed assets while subsequently putting them into a place with criminals and hurting their chances of getting a job once they get out. If it's for punishment then I'm not sure why, since you're saying that even if everyone thinks it was totally 100% justified they should still be punished by a mandatory sentence. Understand what you're suggesting here. I used to have a coworker at a former job, 72 year old man, and a great guy. One night, a young man broke into his house while he was asleep. My old coworker called 911, yelled at the young man to leave, and when the young man tried to force his way into his bedroom the old man shot him once with a rifle; the young man ended up dying despite police assistance. The young man's dad continued to shop at the place we worked, and I even once heard him say he didn't blame the old man, because his son shouldn't have been in there. What purpose would imprisoning a 72 year old man mandatory possibly serve there? computer parts posted:Because the scenario they will lob against you will be "woman scared from angry ex/home invader/etc and shoots him in self defense". Very few people will argue that she then deserves prison time. And rightly so, as above, because it's a thing that actually happens sometimes. We have laws in place for when people take action without due course, and those could be changed if they aren't adequate, but a mandatory minimum is hosed up. Mo_Steel fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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Mo_Steel posted:What purpose does this serve society? It doesn't decrease the number of people shot in self-defense, because as you note 1 year is paltry comparably so people won't change their actions as a result and thus it's not a preventative move. It's Le Jackal. If he's incapable of arguing anything in good faith, then I'm not required to either. Me, I'd rather it be some kind of mandatory counseling because traumatic events shouldn't just be left at "well, the good guy shot the bad guy, we're done here," but a worrying number of states have adopted "Stand Your Ground" laws, which in many ways encourage people to seek a violent solution to their problems. But regardless of the circumstances, the core of what I was saying is that I find it really disturbing that the law in the US seems to be shifting to a position that assumes the use of force was appropriate.
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Mo_Steel posted:a mandatory minimum is hosed up. Keep in mind it was in reaponse to LeJackel's comment. It is a fair point on both sides, deciding a minimum but exercizing discretion based on circumstances. It is a stupid point, to discuss bullshit minutiae about missed work days. But to answer your question, the purpose it would serve is to remind that killing people is bad. That seems trite, but look at all the memes we got up to this point that idolize self-defense. "Yeah man, I'd kill the poo poo outta that robber and be a hero 2nd amendment woooo" This would seeve to remind people that killing people is not acceptable, it's not cool and ot should be the last resort. No of course we shouldn't put people like that old man in your story behind bars, that's asanine agreed. But providing mandatory counseling is something I can totally accept. Ffs dude, a person killed a person, that is not something you can (nor should you) just rationalize away. Anyhow This anecdote is neither funny nor real.  we have a winner. This one will be hard to top.
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I think I saw this  joke before and instead of muslims it was annoying teenagers that get t-boned into oblivion.
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I am not a book posted:And in the real world it will be "state of Mississippi refuses to register counselors who are located in majority-black counties, forcing citizens to travel across the drat state for legally mandated weekly sessions." Like any Black person in Mississippi who kills in self defence doesn't go to jail.
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SSNeoman posted:Keep in mind it was in reaponse to LeJackel's comment. It is a fair point on both sides, deciding a minimum but exercizing discretion based on circumstances. It is a stupid point, to discuss bullshit minutiae about missed work days. No, it isn't. When the proposed change results in someone who has already been victimized getting penalized by the state, its worth discussing. For a lot of people, being forced to miss work can mean the loss of their job unless they are protected. SSNeoman posted:This would seeve to remind people that killing people is not acceptable, it's not cool and ot should be the last resort. You need penalty of law to do that?
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Killing in defense of yourself or others is totally acceptable actually. Making it a completely unfair fight in your favor, like using a gun on someone coming at you with a tire iron or whatever, is also 100% A-OK. HTH & cry powerlessly about it some more.
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Technogeek posted:On the other hand, it's generally safest to assume that anything a DARE cop says is bullshit until and after proven otherwise. Our DARE program was fair enough - told us what all the drugs are and how they work/are ingested. People should be responsible with means of intoxication.
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Rick_Hunter posted:I think I saw this I've also seen one that had the obvious follow-up; I don't remember it offhand, but it ran along the lines of "Dude sees a group of people out peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights, and watches them get run down by a semi-truck. He does not spare a moment's thought for the fact that a carload of his fellow citizens are dead, or the heartbreak their families will be suffering, his only thought is a moment's regret that he wasn't the one to kill them, and resolves to fix this. Today, a serial killer is born."
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DeusExMachinima posted:Killing in defense of yourself or others is totally acceptable actually. Making it a completely unfair fight in your favor, like using a gun on someone coming at you with a tire iron or whatever, is also 100% A-OK. HTH & cry powerlessly about it some more. You're either talking out of your rear end, or suffering from an extreme case of antisocial personality disorder.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Killing in defense of yourself or others is totally acceptable actually. Making it a completely unfair fight in your favor, like using a gun on someone coming at you with a tire iron or whatever, is also 100% A-OK. HTH & cry powerlessly about it some more. i too fantasize about the ways i can legally end another person's life and feel powerful and superior, this is because i am a healthy well adjusted person with a respect for others
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i too fantasize about the ways i can legally end another person's life and feel powerful and superior, this is because i am a healthy well adjusted person with a respect for others I thought your gimmick was masturbating furiously over people committing suicide?
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