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Grouchio posted:After 70 years of existence, North Korea now thinks it has the balls to take the US on. As an American I hereby surrender to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
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Grouchio posted:Wishful propaganda or actual threats? I would like to hear your take. North Korea's military is a total joke that could probably be defeated by humanitarian air drops.
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Oct 10, 2015 20:48
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How's that different from the usual saber rattling?
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Oct 10, 2015 20:52
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Grouchio posted:After 70 years of existence, North Korea now thinks it has the balls to take the US on. Take the US on? With what? Their most advanced rocks and pointed sticks? They've been saying this poo poo for years.
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Oct 10, 2015 21:47
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Grouchio posted:After 70 years of existence, North Korea now thinks it has the balls to take the US on. My take, based on you taking this article seriously, is that you probably know almost nothing about North Korea. As to their capabilities, we'll have to wait for the mil nerds to analyze pictures of the missile launchers to see how advanced (or even how fake) they are.
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Oct 10, 2015 22:27
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Cliff Racer posted:As to their capabilities, we'll have to wait for the mil nerds to analyze pictures of the missile launchers to see how advanced (or even how fake) they are.
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Oct 10, 2015 22:49
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Yes, but the real item that people care about is the state of their mobile missile launchers. They aren't a threat to the US, yet, but they have made a point of improving them.
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Oct 10, 2015 22:54
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Rent-A-Cop posted:That parade had T-34-85s in it. A tank that was obsolete in 1945. Also T-34/76s, which were obsolete a few years prior.  
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Oct 10, 2015 23:02
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Also T-34/76s, which were obsolete a few years prior.
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Cliff Racer posted:My take, based on you taking this article seriously, is that you probably know almost nothing about North Korea. As to their capabilities, we'll have to wait for the mil nerds to analyze pictures of the missile launchers to see how advanced (or even how fake) they are. Grouchio posted:If tensions don't fall by Sunday, we could see the real thing. Grouchio posted:What shall the US do about this then? Grouchio posted:I wonder if Bernie would be potentially more active than Obama Ficklespine at dealing with bullshit like this...
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I'm honestly surprised there are T-34s still running in North Korea. I wonder if they've re-engined them. I wouldn't doubt it. There are a few countries still using the T-34 today, along with one or two that use the M4 Sherman as well.
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Oct 10, 2015 23:26
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:I wouldn't doubt it. There are a few countries still using the T-34 today, along with one or two that use the M4 Sherman as well. Argentina gifted away its M3 halftracks like five years ago.
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Oct 10, 2015 23:32
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Azran posted:Argentina gifted away its M3 halftracks like five years ago. Imagine being the country that received those.
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Oct 10, 2015 23:37
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Imagine being the country that received those.
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Oct 10, 2015 23:46
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:I wouldn't doubt it. There are a few countries still using the T-34 today, along with one or two that use the M4 Sherman as well. If all your tanks are likely to do is roll over some civilians, WWII models work as well as anything.
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Imagine being the country that received those. Chile, IIRC. They were going to use them as ambulance trucks. 
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:I wouldn't doubt it. There are a few countries still using the T-34 today, along with one or two that use the M4 Sherman as well. drat, i wonder what would happen to it if it got hit by a modern tank shell.
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Oct 11, 2015 00:37
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War, war never changes.
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Arms Dealers, however, are quite well known for giving change.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:drat, i wonder what would happen to it if it got hit by a modern tank shell. It's still more armored than any BMP or vehicles like the Stryker. A modern shell would punch a nice hole through the armor and cause a poo poo load of shrapnel for the occupants on the inside. A T34 is still not properly obsolete in that it can resist small arms and pose a real danger to any non MBT on the field. It'd also be complete suicide for it's crew.
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Oct 11, 2015 08:02
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The funny thing is, that article's technically true. If the USA went to war with North Korea (whether via an attack on US soil, President Trump getting a wild hair up his rear end, or whatever the hell) it would not be a particularly easy fight; they wouldn't be able to wage offensive war, but they'd be able to defend well enough to make it a big ol' pain in the dick for us, probably moreso than it'd be worth.
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If anything it would be China who slaps NK and tells them to knock it the gently caress off. The last thing they want is their little idiot cousin daring the US military to show up in their backyard or actually doing something to piss the US enough to respond with their military and end up with a flood of NK refugees flooding over China's border. The last time NK did this China basically said in a roundabout polite way "Knock your poo poo off"
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LORD OF BUTT posted:The funny thing is, that article's technically true. If the USA went to war with North Korea (whether via an attack on US soil, President Trump getting a wild hair up his rear end, or whatever the hell) it would not be a particularly easy fight; they wouldn't be able to wage offensive war, but they'd be able to defend well enough to make it a big ol' pain in the dick for us, probably moreso than it'd be worth. The North Korean Army is pretty much the only part of the state apparatus that is even semi-functional and if it ever mobilized the whole country would start to starve.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The only challenge would be to see if the USAF could kill them before they starved to death. Pretty much. Developed First World countries can be ranked according to how long (In terms of raw supplies, due to the assumption that production will be targeted by the opponent) a country could wage total war for. I can't find the study, but the USA was placed at about 10 years, North Korea barely managed a month. They'll run out of fuel first, then water, then food. Then, if they try for a protracted defense, we'll see some pretty massive starvation.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:drat, i wonder what would happen to it if it got hit by a modern tank shell. I'm no scientist but they would probably explode.
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Grouchio posted:After 70 years of existence, North Korea now thinks it has the balls to take the US on. Leader publicly declares to the population that the country is capable of defending itself against foreign aggression from the country's greatest enemy. Will his wild and crazy and incomprehensible warmongering ever cease!?!?!?!!?!????!
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LORD OF BUTT posted:The funny thing is, that article's technically true. If the USA went to war with North Korea (whether via an attack on US soil, President Trump getting a wild hair up his rear end, or whatever the hell) it would not be a particularly easy fight; they wouldn't be able to wage offensive war, but they'd be able to defend well enough to make it a big ol' pain in the dick for us, probably moreso than it'd be worth. WarpedNaba posted:Pretty much. Developed First World countries can be ranked according to how long (In terms of raw supplies, due to the assumption that production will be targeted by the opponent) a country could wage total war for. I can't find the study, but the USA was placed at about 10 years, North Korea barely managed a month. They'll run out of fuel first, then water, then food. Then, if they try for a protracted defense, we'll see some pretty massive starvation. Conquering NK would be a nightmare because it would very quickly become a process of managing and feeding the population and protecting them from armed, hungry gangs of soldiers. The biggest threat on a military level would be their someone accessed and used whatever stockpiles of chemical/biological weapons they might have. And their anti-aircraft capability; can someone go into detail on that?
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North Korea has very good anti-air capability around Pyongyang itself and some key military areas. But it's suspected that in part this is so that an attempted military uprising that got in the air force couldn't successfully threaten the regime (since the very best aircraft and the like are reserved for highly loyal servicemembers, and are on duty for defense of those same areas).
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Dapper_Swindler posted:drat, i wonder what would happen to it if it got hit by a modern tank shell. One-hit kill without incredible luck. I can see an Abrams round going straight through a T-34 or Sherman and out the other side. poo poo, at its velocity even an Abrams practice round could potentially cause fatal damage to a WW2 tank.
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Flotilla of North Korean boats with all their crew dead found off japan. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34944131
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WarpedNaba posted:Pretty much. Developed First World countries can be ranked according to how long (In terms of raw supplies, due to the assumption that production will be targeted by the opponent) a country could wage total war for. I can't find the study, but the USA was placed at about 10 years, North Korea barely managed a month. They'll run out of fuel first, then water, then food. Then, if they try for a protracted defense, we'll see some pretty massive starvation. If you ever do find it, let me know. That sounds like a really interesting read.
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sparatuvs posted:Flotilla of North Korean boats with all their crew dead found off japan. Dehydration is a hell of a way to go.
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North Korea is saying that they have apparently developed a Hydrogen Bomb. Pretty ridicules, maybe a show of force after the reported instability in Pyongyang last week.
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sparatuvs posted:North Korea is saying that they have apparently developed a Hydrogen Bomb. Perhaps they built a Zeppelin?
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sparatuvs posted:North Korea is saying that they have apparently developed a Hydrogen Bomb. Can you link the reports on instability?
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WarpedNaba posted:Can you link the reports on instability? http://www.rfa.org/korean/in_focus/ne-ms-12032015084455.html Radio Free Asia says it's unsourced , so it is one of the notoriously shotty assassination attempt reports used to strengthen unity inside the dprk, whether or not it happened doesn't matter, it shows something happened that needed some type of story to bolster moral.
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Huh. Kinda forgot they had helicopters for a second.
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Koramei posted:Well maybe if you were a clairvoyant infallible super-general You rang? I believe the latest round of talks are merely a front for South Korea to begin its own nuclear armaments program. It's the only rational response at this point.
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