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Volkerball posted:I had to check your post history to see if this was a joke post or not. Avshalom getting probated because he's "pro-Israel" lmao Look, you can argue a lot of things. But I think Avshalom and its genitals of variable status are pretty obviously pro-Israel. 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Look, you can argue a lot of things. But I think Avshalom and its genitals of variable status are pretty obviously pro-Israel. The man just wants to fondle ariel sharons luscious buttocks. You gonna silence him for that to enforce the echo chamber beliefs that are completely detached from reality, namely that he was old and gross? smh
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Oct 12, 2015 06:16
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Baloogan posted:When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.
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Oct 12, 2015 06:19
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Oct 12, 2015 06:21
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So is the truth that anyone who does not wholeheartedly support Israel is an antisemite, or is it that Israel is a bastion of civilization in a wilderness of savages, or what? Or are you just fishing for someone to say something that will make you feel validated? Maybe you'll start waving your arms around and shouting, "Rocket attacks are bad! This shocks you!"
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Baloogan posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=193607 There are thousands of other forums where you are completely free to post about how the Palestinians are going to push the Israelis into the sea or whatever. This forum (or more accurately, just this sub-forum) is a very rare exception in that the moderation generally does not allow people to post unsupported arguments/arguments in bad faith*. People have also gotten probated for shitposting on the "anti-Israel" side. Are you really so insecure in your beliefs that you need one of the few forums that doesn't put up with terrible posts (from either side mind you) to conform to your beliefs? I mean, do you really not understand how pathetic it seems when people like you complain about "political correctness" on a forum when the other probably 99% of internet forums out there are totally cool with you posting whatever "politically incorrect" views you want? *And due to the reality of the Israel/Palestine situation, it's kind of impossible for someone to be "pro-Israel" (in the sense of thinking that Palestinians are the main problem) without also being disingenuous. By their very nature, you can't really support incorrect/bigoted views with a valid argument.
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Oct 12, 2015 06:48
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Oct 12, 2015 06:58
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It's shocking how people rarely argue anything that isn't about whether Palestinians are a kind of orc or goblin or not. There's actually this huge space to argue within that goes completely empty, because apparently it's more important to call Palestinians genocidaires and ethnic cleansers than to argue substantially dissenting points of view.
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Oct 12, 2015 07:04
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avshalom has never been probed for pro-israel views, she's been probed for her crippling alcoholism and the drunkposting it causes
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Oct 12, 2015 07:05
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But when I quote you quoting you, it replaces your truth with silence. Are your posts lies now? Is this post a warning that you are a liar?
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Oct 12, 2015 07:07
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All I'm asking for is less politically motivated moderation. Consider this a protest. Free MiGF!
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There is exactly one reason someone would be this coy. Unbearably milquetoast opinions. He's going to offend us all by shouting "Both sides are bad! Fight me!" until the fascistic-socialist moderator-industrial complex bans him for no reason at all. Or keep defending a man who has committed horrific and vicious crimes against pizza unprovoked, treating him as a political prisoner.
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I'm not sure by what metric SedanChair's post are pro-Israel, either. If anything, he's proof that you get probated regardless of opinion, if your posts are poo poo enough. Tezzor was run out of the thread for being consistently garbage, too. If you think probating TIC or MIGF is silencing the truth, well, helpfully rap sheets will take you directly to the offending posts, and explain why those posts are bad posts. hth
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Oct 12, 2015 09:50
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all of those people, and me as well, are bad posters
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Oct 12, 2015 10:03
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Has anyone found a good and up to date timeline of all the attacks so far? I'm following this on the news sites but all the shootings and stabbings and lynch mobs seem to be blurring into one and I can't tell which are new events.
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Kajeesus posted:I'm not sure by what metric SedanChair's post are pro-Israel, either. If anything, he's proof that you get probated regardless of opinion, if your posts are poo poo enough. Tezzor was run out of the thread for being consistently garbage, too. SedanChair is a !#%*!#% who claims that Bibi Netanyahu is a worse person than Bashar al-Assad and that Israel's crimes are much worse than those of ISIS and the Assad regime, that Baloogan would think he's pro-Israeli is indicative more than anything else of how rotten Baloogan's brain is. Besides, I consider myself to be pretty pro-Israel, probably a lot more than Baloogan or Kim Jong tbh, I generally believe that all the Israelis that post here are very much pro-Israel, heck, we've all voted for a zionist party in the elections, well, most of us did, Absurd didn't. He's still pro-Israel though as well.
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My point is that probations and bans are often handed out on a mod-disagrees-with-your-politics basis, not on a breaking-the-forum-rules basis. Look at the posts cited in MiGF's ban. nothing that breaks the forum rules, but sure its something the mod disagrees with. Some of the moderators here aren't acting like moderators, they are acting like debate participants and you get a probation if you make a good point. So what happens is folks don't post their opinions unless it conforms with the politics of the moderators, and thus it creates a false impression. In any case I'll shut up about this now, please do not ban or probate me k thx.
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This man: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203979617365031&set=a.10203880083356743.1073741826.1660752977&type=3&theater (I'm not embedding the photo cause well, it's a personal profile pic), has made a post stating that last night some scum rushed towards him with a 2 by 4 swearing madly and telling him he's gonna beat him up for 'being an arab' (with expletives added) he managed to flee unscathed, upon getting to safety and contacting the police they told him that they received over 300 (three hundred!) complaints of a similar nature the past couple of days. Pretty funny how jewish brown-shirts are joining forces with islamists to make the streets of Israel unsafe for Mizrahi jews, innit? emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Baloogan posted:My point is that probations and bans are often handed out on a mod-disagrees-with-your-politics basis, not on a breaking-the-forum-rules basis. Look at the posts cited in MiGF's ban. nothing that breaks the forum rules, but sure its something the mod disagrees with. Some of the moderators here aren't acting like moderators, they are acting like debate participants and you get a probation if you make a good point. So what happens is folks don't post their opinions unless it conforms with the politics of the moderators, and thus it creates a false impression. Oh, I agree, I often wondered why you yourself aren't probated more often for your poo poo-post-and-run tactics, do you think that mods find your opinions to conform with theirs? MIGF gets probated for having a near fetishistic tendency to post a stream of non-sequiturs and ignore any well formulated response to the nonsense he says, his posting is often the very definition of non-constructive. TIC often also starts arguments and throws accusations without bothering to back them up when prompted, this is also against the sub forum's rules. SedanChair I don't even know how he belongs to this list while Avshalom makes these silly non-sequitur posts which we all enjoy but the mods pretty much have to punish because they're utterly random monkey cheese, she does it everywhere she posts, this has nothing to do with her devotion to Ariel Sharon. So, your post barely seems to hold any water. If you want to bring a less pro-palestinian POV to the thread you are more than welcome to discuss poo poo like an actual human being, like for instance, Kim Jong does, I don't see him getting probated for his opinions in the thread even though they are not seemingly different from TIC's opinions, so it would seem there are ways to be very much pro-Israeli without getting punished for it, who woulda thunk it? Just say what you want to say instead of hiding behind flimsy excuses about McCarthyism or whatever, I'm yet to see you actually argue any substantial point pertaining to the conflict, I only see you cheerlead individual posters who seemingly do. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Anyone who thinks the probations which are thrown aren't deserved is a moron, and I'm saying this as someone who has been probated in this thread. In further news, two policemen stabbed in two separate attacks in Jerusalem. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34503231
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Baloogan posted:My point is that probations and bans are often handed out on a mod-disagrees-with-your-politics basis, not on a breaking-the-forum-rules basis. Look at the posts cited in MiGF's ban. nothing that breaks the forum rules, but sure its something the mod disagrees with. Some of the moderators here aren't acting like moderators, they are acting like debate participants and you get a probation if you make a good point. So what happens is folks don't post their opinions unless it conforms with the politics of the moderators, and thus it creates a false impression. I'm trying to figure out if this is a joke or not considering how trashy MiGF's posts are and how laughably horrible InsectCourts posts are and his loving repeated use of right wing strawmen. I'm sorry your friends are poo poo posters, I guess? 
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CommieGIR posted:I'm trying to figure out if this is a joke or not considering how trashy MiGF's posts are and how laughably horrible InsectCourts posts are and his loving repeated use of right wing strawmen. Turds of a feather shitpost together I reckon.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:Well the first two times nobody waited for a formal declaration of "intifada," as far as I'm aware. Who would have the right to make such a declaration? Hamas has already promised to take part in any intifada or other mass violence that results from this, but it's not clear how much they actually have the ability to do right now. Gaza can't really do much more than launch rockets, and it's not clear how much of a presence Hamas really has in the West Bank. Moreover, if civil order breaks down to the extent of open rebellion, what would Hamas' main goal be? While it's natural to assume they'd focus on violence against Israelis, a breakdown of order in the West Bank would also be a perfect opportunity to move against Fatah. Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Welp, time for me to take back up drinking. At least a thousand Palestinians and at least a dozen Israelis. Baloogan posted:My point is that probations and bans are often handed out on a mod-disagrees-with-your-politics basis, not on a breaking-the-forum-rules basis. Look at the posts cited in MiGF's ban. nothing that breaks the forum rules, but sure its something the mod disagrees with. Some of the moderators here aren't acting like moderators, they are acting like debate participants and you get a probation if you make a good point. So what happens is folks don't post their opinions unless it conforms with the politics of the moderators, and thus it creates a false impression. Arguing mod bias in D&D now, of all times, is just plain absurd. AA has gone out of his way to see for himself whether the anti-Israel camp was acting too kneejerky and lovely toward pro-Israel posters. As for the specific cases, this isn't a "argue about whether certain probations were justified" thread and probably shouldn't become one!
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Is anyone compiling the casualties on both sides in real time somewhere? Obviously both sides are pretending that they're the only ones taking damage (which, as an aside, is... kind of interesting. Still on a 19th century history kick, when the thing to do in a conflict was to pretend your casualties are minimal. Wonder if there's any good scholarly work on that particular evolution) so some neutral compendium would be nice. Also, according to Israel Today (read on a train in someone else's hands) young Palestinian women are at the forefront of terrorist attacks over the last month. Great strides for feminism in Palestinian society, probably.
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Xander77 posted:Also, according to Israel Today (read on a train in someone else's hands) young Palestinian women are at the forefront of terrorist attacks over the last month. Great strides for feminism in Palestinian society, probably. When all your men have been slaughtered someone's got to take the reins. See the Kurds for something similar.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:When all your men have been slaughtered someone's got to take the reins.
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Proving an extraordinary claim by an unreliable source by making an equally bullshit statement seems fair enough to me? Maybe more Palestinian women participate in the clashes but the majority of attacks are still instigated by 16-30 year old males. Earlier today two kids, 13 and 15 year old, from East Jerusalem went on a stabbing spree stabbing a 21 year old man and a 13 year old kid, they fled the scene, one was reportedly hit by a car Edit: actually the kid didn't die, he's currently receiving treatment and is in a critical state. Should better check my sources next time. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Xander77 posted:Prove any part of that exceedingly retarded sentence. Looks like someone forgot about Gaza last year.  I wish I could. 
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Xander77 posted:Is anyone compiling the casualties on both sides in real time somewhere? Obviously both sides are pretending that they're the only ones taking damage (which, as an aside, is... kind of interesting. Still on a 19th century history kick, when the thing to do in a conflict was to pretend your casualties are minimal. Wonder if there's any good scholarly work on that particular evolution) so some neutral compendium would be nice. 'All sides are claiming they're the only ones taking damage.' Well, more people died in IDF mass shooting at the Gaza border than have been killed by random Palestinians with knives so I suppose you could exercise your faculties of judgment without needed an accurate biomass ratio of I:P. So, your misogynist snark aside for a moment, do you consider attacks on police and checkpoints as 'terror'?
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Baloogan posted:My point is that probations and bans are often handed out on a mod-disagrees-with-your-politics basis, not on a breaking-the-forum-rules basis. Look at the posts cited in MiGF's ban. nothing that breaks the forum rules, but sure its something the mod disagrees with. Some of the moderators here aren't acting like moderators, they are acting like debate participants and you get a probation if you make a good point. So what happens is folks don't post their opinions unless it conforms with the politics of the moderators, and thus it creates a false impression. Despite my annoyance with Sedanchair's continued existence on the corporeal plane, the moderation these days is far better than it was under Mccaine.
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Xander77 posted:Is anyone compiling the casualties on both sides in real time somewhere? Obviously both sides are pretending that they're the only ones taking damage (which, as an aside, is... kind of interesting. Still on a 19th century history kick, when the thing to do in a conflict was to pretend your casualties are minimal. Wonder if there's any good scholarly work on that particular evolution) so some neutral compendium would be nice. It depends on your definition of casualties - do you mean killed, or killed/injured? Most of the stabbing attacks that have been reported have been non-fatal, typically being quoted by the news as inflicting "light" or "moderate" injuries upon the victim. In October, according to Ma'an, 4 Israelis and 24 Palestinians have been killed as a result of these Israeli/Palestinian clashes and attacks. The four Israeli casualties come from two prominent attacks at the beginning of the month - presumably the Hamas attack on a settler car and the double rabbi stabbing in the Old City. If you extend it to injuries as well, things become far less clear. Where do you draw the line on "injured"? Does "excessive tear gas inhalation" count as an injury? How about "being hit by a rubber bullet"? What about "being shot in the leg, with a real bullet"? I haven't seen any full, comprehensive accounting of injuries on either side, but the PA is claiming that since the beginning of October over 1,300 protesters have been injured by Israeli riot-control tactics, and over 600 Palestinians have been detained by Israeli forces. I haven't seen any full count of Israeli injuries, or of Palestinian injuries at the hands of non-soldiers. Human Rights Watch has condemned Israel's "indiscriminate or deliberate firing" into protests after one of their observers was injured by IDF gunfire while monitoring a protest. It's a bit of an unfortunate timing for Israel, considering that another 13-year-old Palestinian boy was just recently killed by IDF troops "dispersing a protest" with live bullets. quote:Human Rights Watch on Sunday slammed the Israeli army's "indiscriminate or deliberate firing" on protesters and observers the pose no threat, several days after one of the group's researchers was injured at a demonstration. Main Paineframe fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Hong XiuQuan posted:'All sides are claiming they're the only ones taking damage.' Well, more people died in IDF mass shooting at the Gaza border than have been killed by random Palestinians with knives so I suppose you could exercise your faculties of judgment without needed an accurate biomass ratio of I:P. Main Paineframe posted:It depends on your definition of casualties
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You guys think there is really going to be another "intifada?" Also avshalom is one of the best posters on the whole site.
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hakimashou posted:You guys think there is really going to be another "intifada?" There's definitely a real chance. Both of the other Intifada's were caused by a spark setting of the longstanding tensions in the Israel/Palestine conflict. At the moment those tensions are obviously still there, they've started erupting and neither side seems willing (or perhaps even able) to stop it from escalating. I think the real decider might be how the Palestinians react to the shootings of protesters. Previously that escalated things and strengthened their desire to shake of the Israeli occupation but after two failed Intifada's which had differing tactics of public resistance and militant attacks both ending in failure, people might be less willing to carry on going out and risking getting shot if they don't think it will lead anywhere.
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hakimashou posted:You guys think there is really going to be another "intifada?" Nope, but I do think we're gonna have another massacre.
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Xander77 posted:Thank you for that extremely valuable contribution to the discussion at hand. Please change your avatar link, as the website is dead. You're welcome. Feel free to change it for me. I'd love it if you answered the question: do you consider Palestinian assaults on military/police to be acts of terror?
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team overhead smash posted:I think the real decider might be how the Palestinians react to the shootings of protesters. Previously that escalated things and strengthened their desire to shake of the Israeli occupation but after two failed Intifada's which had differing tactics of public resistance and militant attacks both ending in failure, people might be less willing to carry on going out and risking getting shot if they don't think it will lead anywhere. Not sure why you call the first intifada a failure. It led to Madrid and Oslo. Wouldn't have happened without the first Intifada. You can argue that Oslo has been a failure (and rightly so) but there's a reason Arafat was let back in. The second intifada didn't achieve anything beyond this current status quo, factional rifts and a massacre every few years when Israeli elections loom. This time round it could be different, particularly as the increasingly fascistic Israel executive and legislature appear to be driving Palestinian-Israelis to despair.
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Hong XiuQuan posted:Not sure why you call the first intifada a failure. It led to Madrid and Oslo. Wouldn't have happened without the first Intifada. You can argue that Oslo has been a failure (and rightly so) but there's a reason Arafat was let back in. If your view of a valid goal is there merely being peace conferences regardless of their efficacy then sure, but I don't see it that way. All Madrid and Oslo did was serve to legitimise Israeli occupation and stop the impetus towards an actual peace. If they'd managed to actually accomplish anything of note for the Palestinians then sure, but I can't see how that was the case.
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