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CLAM DOWN posted:Dungeon changes are loving stupid, good job Anet. I might actually do dungeons now that they won't be cookie clicker for gold pieces
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Oct 13, 2015 00:03
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They don't actually get better if you take out the rewards HTH.
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Oct 13, 2015 00:07
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Oct 13, 2015 00:10
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Dorkopotamis posted:I played world of warcraft for six months at release and then close to a year after the second or third (the one with death knights) expansion and I don't think any of the launch dungeons had changed from launch. I don't think that that's good, it just might be the precedent. They actually have updated the launch dungeons since then, usually 1-2 with each following expansion. WoW dungeons also served as decent leveling tools and gave better than average gear to help leveling further. I haven't really done many of the guild wars dungeons so it's hard for me to say what their real purpose ever was other than "Well we have to do dungeons everyone does dungeons."?
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Oct 13, 2015 00:19
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Played at launch until not too long after fractals came out. They ever fix how boring the end game was (that being just fractals and grinding)? At the time fractals were kind of a no go for me since I'd have to set aside an hour and a half at a time which was kind of difficult then. What is there to do these days?
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Oct 13, 2015 00:23
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orcane posted:They don't actually get better if you take out the rewards HTH. Yeah wtf, they are literally improved in zero ways, it's the same thing but no gold reward...
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Oct 13, 2015 00:47
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And that means you're more likely to do PvP or Fractals instead. Letting that appendage die is painful but they can't lop it off.
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Oct 13, 2015 00:52
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I just really want to know who's leading ArenaNet around by the nose right now. Why they're pouring so much time and effort into 10 person raids (when the game's combat becomes essentially unreadable after about 3 or 4 people, max) that a slim group of people can actually do while simultaneously dumpstering dungeons and adding basically nothing to Fractals is beyond me. I joke about the game being a hat farming simulator sometimes, but it's really starting to feel like they're pushing in that direction heedlessly for reasons unknown.
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Oct 13, 2015 00:56
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Remember when Arenanet was highly against grinding in their games? Welp.
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Oct 13, 2015 01:07
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Lonk posted:Remember when Arenanet was highly against grinding in their games? Welp. I presume that was before whoever's controlling ArenaNet's resources started pointing at a whiteboard with "INCREASE PROFITS" on it.
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Oct 13, 2015 01:10
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The grind has always been there, you've just reached the point where that's all you have left.
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Oct 13, 2015 01:13
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Is anyone playing this game purely for pve? The dungeons don't seem to be popular, the personal story is meh, what else is there?
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Oct 13, 2015 01:16
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Lonk posted:Remember when Arenanet was highly against grinding in their games? Welp. Remember when poopsockers complained about there not being enough end-game grind in their casual MMO for 3 straight years?
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Oct 13, 2015 01:20
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Shy posted:Is anyone playing this game purely for pve? The dungeons don't seem to be popular, the personal story is meh, what else is there? A lot of goons are, the "end game" has become pretty princess simulator and what most people do is collect skins/design/change outfits every so often. Repeat for x amount of classes and races and that right there is quite a bit of time. Coupled with the fact that some skins require a lot of time invested as stated above, means people can be playing for a long period of time. It's a pretty chill game and most of the long time goons still playing approach the game the same way; people who tend to blaze through content or play in large chunks of time tend to burnout and quit, this game just isn't made for that.
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Oct 13, 2015 01:22
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There's always altaholism, if you haven't played every class / played every race / run out of ideas for pretty princessing yet.
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Oct 13, 2015 01:42
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John Smith is answering a bunch of questions about the economy on the dev tracker. quote:Q. So there's your answer, people who were speculating about token reward increases. Also, apparently, it's completely intentional that charged lodestones are worth four times as much as the others 
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Oct 13, 2015 02:04
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They're really high on fractals, something they haven't added new content to since it launched. (just recycled LS stuff) This will be Raids in a year, something else will be the big thing they're working on.
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Oct 13, 2015 02:05
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:John Smith is answering a bunch of questions about the economy on the dev tracker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfelqZpapZA
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Oct 13, 2015 02:22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usdgfOk0RWw Arus please update the OP for once, thanks.
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Oct 13, 2015 02:25
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Lonk posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usdgfOk0RWw I can't watch this on my awful cell connection, someone vouch for the content of a Lonk Link pls
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Oct 13, 2015 02:27
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:
Which makes sense considering the most popular legendaries and MF skins require them.
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Oct 13, 2015 02:30
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Also in case anyone wasn't clear, yes they are actively trying to stop people running dungeons and get them to move over to fractals:John Smith posted:Is the intention to deincentivize dungeons
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Oct 13, 2015 02:32
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I've run fractals less than the other dungeons, but ughhhhh the loving hammer fractal.
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Oct 13, 2015 02:34
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The economist posted:Dungeons will still drop things as well as they will still have some gold, they will just have much less gold. A small comfort. Hope they decide to greatly increase token rewards.
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Oct 13, 2015 02:45
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Lyer posted:I've run fractals less than the other dungeons, but ughhhhh the loving hammer fractal.  Also, from the official forums: Batelle.1680 posted:In other news, I'm looking forward to unveiling my The Birds themed ranger at some point in the next couple of years- Nevermore, Falconer's Coat, dual pet birds, raven mini/mail carriers, a full set of Mad King runes, and Hunter's Call spam for days... 
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Oct 13, 2015 02:49
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CLAM DOWN posted:I can't watch this on my awful cell connection, someone vouch for the content of a Lonk Link pls Yes, it is perfect.
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Oct 13, 2015 02:53
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Lonk posted:Remember when Arenanet was highly against grinding in their games? Welp. Were they ever? Because I remember the first game. Anything beyond completing the campaign mission was basically nothing but excessive grinding. Looking it up, the "Drunkard" title required 10,000 minutes being drunk, though they've changed that to only "10,000 drinks".
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Oct 13, 2015 02:57
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Mizuti posted:A small comfort. Hope they decide to greatly increase token rewards. Bird already posted this. quote:Q.
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Oct 13, 2015 03:06
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AzureSkye posted:Bird already posted this. Which is so goddamn dumb. Tokens are only good for getting clothes and skins. Just increase it but a fair amount. Who loving cares
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Oct 13, 2015 03:08
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U.T. Raptor posted:Also, from the official forums: Birds for the bird god. Beaks for the beak throne.
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Oct 13, 2015 03:08
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Inzombiac posted:Which is so goddamn dumb. No! You have to continue to grind the content we want to obsolete! ALL HAIL FRACTALUS
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Oct 13, 2015 03:10
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:John Smith is answering a bunch of questions about the economy on the dev tracker. This dude is the epitome of sit around with your thumb up your rear end and see what happens and then make up some bullshit and pretend you meant for it to happen after the fact.
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Oct 13, 2015 03:10
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Also they're not doing any more underwater legendary weapons based on the blog post (explicitly doing 16 new legendaries in batches). RIP in piss, underwater combat.
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Oct 13, 2015 03:18
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SlothBear posted:This dude is the epitome of sit around with your thumb up your rear end and see what happens and then make up some bullshit and pretend you meant for it to happen after the fact.
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Oct 13, 2015 03:31
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John Smith is a super proactive guy, being a jerk because you don't agree with him isn't very cool. Underwater combat was a cool idea that wasn't as cool in practice, so it's being de-emphasized. This approach to content focus is nothing new but I'm sorry that some of you are upset by that. 
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Oct 13, 2015 03:35
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Underwater combat loving rules and this stupid approach to disincentivising dungeons is just that: loving stupid. There's nothing to gain from it. Sorry Tivac.
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Oct 13, 2015 03:42
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I haven't played since like two months into release and jesus loving christ what is any of this. Relearning mmos is such a pain in the dick. Is scepter/dagger still awesome for elementalists? Can I still do hilarious amounts of healing with a staff build? If not, that gets rid of some confusion right away cause I can get rid of at least one gear set >.< NM, just reading and playing. I'LL GET THERE BUT GOD drat Degs fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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Oct 13, 2015 03:52
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I just kinda don't get the reasoning behind the dungeon change. Purposefully throwing a wrench into the works to promote something else? Kinda reminds me of the old system of temporary content, which as I remember people didn't enjoy.
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Oct 13, 2015 03:57
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Yeah, it seems weird. Especially since the income from dungeons will apparently be spread among other activities, so that would mean it was less about being too much money and more about them... not wanting people to do dungeons. Edit: Let me be the first contrarian to say I love underwater combat and regularly mourn its passing. RIP Capricorn 
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Tivac posted:Underwater combat was a cool idea that wasn't as cool in practice, so it's being de-emphasized. Honestly I haven't met a single player who truly unironically enjoys UW combat (inc half a dozen goons posting to disagree with me) so telling your teams "don't bother with a second set of UW legends" makes perfect sense People being upset about dungeons is understandable but being mad because there are no new UW legends seems like being contrary just to be contrary.Also how would you top sharkspear, seriously 
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