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walgreenslatino posted:If you don't think that the constitutional rights of an accused citizen should be respected, I don't know what else to say Isn't this the very definition of being arrested?
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There is no bigger mental health advocate than a gun nut after a 15 year run of gun massacres.
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Oct 13, 2015 18:56
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CommieGIR posted:And the consensus is Gun Control is needed. I mentioned a bill that actually strengthens the background checks/mental health reporting and support it. That's gun control. I supported the majority of the poo poo you posted except for insurance requirements. What's the problem here?
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Oct 13, 2015 18:56
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LeeMajors posted:There is no bigger mental health advocate than a gun nut after a 15 year run of gun massacres. and yet mental health in america is still a loving travesty, strange....
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Oct 13, 2015 18:56
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Jarmak posted:You mean other then being pro-choice, pro gay marriage, and having our republican governor pass the first universal healthcare law in the country? If you don't realize that local parties are vastly different from national parties that I don't know why the gently caress you think you're even qualified to comment on politics. That was in an overwhelmingly democratic state, so a pretty different situation. States that are overwhelmingly controlled by Republicans look basically like you would expect them to, ie Kansas.
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Oct 13, 2015 18:57
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various cheeses posted:I mentioned a bill that actually strengthens the background checks/mental health reporting and support it. That's gun control From the NRA. From the guys who have spent millions opposing any and all gun control. Yeah, I don't buy it in the least. Again, this is the group that has ACTIVELY spread conspiracy theories to undermine any and all gun control while at the same time lobbying to defund CDC studies about gun violence. No. There is no way its an effective bill.
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Oct 13, 2015 18:58
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CommieGIR posted:From the NRA. From the guys who have spent millions opposing any and all gun control. in a stunning twist the background referred to is literally whatever's behind the person when they approach the counter. need to make sure reality hasn't dropped away.
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Oct 13, 2015 18:59
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CommieGIR posted:From the NRA. From the guys who have spent millions opposing any and all gun control. Did you even read the bill before dismissing it? I don't agree with all of the NRA's practices, but this bill is pretty okay.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:02
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A major and exceedingly common rationale for gun owning from your Dylann Roof to your random red stater at a barbecue is "I need guns in case in the near future I need to murder my ill-defined political enemies" and presumably this won't be considered symptomatic of mental illness and disqualify the believer from owning firearms so that's not really going to do much
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Oct 13, 2015 19:03
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various cheeses posted:Did you even read the bill before dismissing it? I don't agree with all of the NRA's practices, but this bill is pretty okay. Its ineffective handwaving: http://www.thetrace.org/2015/08/mental-health-cornyn-bill-involuntary-commitment/ quote:Currently, to get your right to buy a gun back, you have to go before a judge and prove that you’re capable and able to have a fireman. Under this bill, what would happen would be as soon as the order, the commitment order expired, you would automatically be able to go and purchase a gun again. Its actually WEAKENING current protections. Good bill, NRA. My concerns about an NRA backed 'Gun Control' bill are validated.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:04
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Tezzor posted:A major and exceedingly common rationale for gun owning from your Dylann Roof to your random red stater at a barbecue is "I need guns in case in the near future I need to murder my ill-defined political enemies" and presumably this won't be considered symptomatic of mental illness and disqualify the believer from owning firearms so that's not really going to do much You have referred to your ill-definited political enemies as subhuman swine on more than one occasion, so you're not much better. Murdering people over political disagreement is a bad thing and yes, probably indicative of mental illness.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:06
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I own guns because I enjoy them, they are fun. But they are also useful in case of an attack upon my person, which, being a minority in a very bad neighborhood (A Hispanic in the majority black North Side of Pittsburgh), is more likely than the average suburban white person who goes all a-titter for gun control. Plus they're cool!  I just built this baby last week on a whim. Saw that lower and couldn't NOT buy it. 
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http://www.propublica.org/article/myth-vs-fact-violence-and-mental-healthquote:To separate the facts from the media hype, we talked to Dr. Jeffrey Swanson, a professor in psychiatry and behavioral sciences at the Duke University School of Medicine, and one of the leading researchers on mental health and violence. Swanson talked about the dangers of passing laws in the wake of tragedy ― and which new violence-prevention strategies might actually work.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:07
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CommieGIR posted:Its ineffective handwaving: It's certainly not perfect, and I think that part needs some strengthening, but it's a good start. Especially the part that forces states to do a better job of reporting mental health issues to the NICS.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:07
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PCOS Bill posted:I own guns because I enjoy them, they are fun. But they are also useful in case of an attack upon my person, which, being a minority in a very bad neighborhood (A Hispanic in the majority black North Side of Pittsburgh), is more likely than the average suburban white person who goes all a-titter for gun control. God I've been waiting for you
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Oct 13, 2015 19:07
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Yes, America has poor access to psychiatric care.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:08
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99% of conservatism is siege-mentality bullshit. Gun ownership fits snugly into the narrative of the weak-kneed, pee-pants persecuted avenger exacting justice on minorities and liberals.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:08
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various cheeses posted:It's certainly not perfect, and I think that part needs some strengthening, but it's a good start. Especially the part that forces states to do a better job of reporting mental health issues to the NICS.  It weakens current protections, makes it easier for mentally ill to purchase weapons, and you think its a good bill?Holy poo poo, you are denser than lead. White dwarf maybe? walgreenslatino posted:God I've been waiting for you We have TFR for gun chat. This is about the legality of gun control
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Oct 13, 2015 19:09
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various cheeses posted:You have referred to your ill-definited political enemies as subhuman swine on more than one occasion, so you're not much better. Murdering people over political disagreement is a bad thing and yes, probably indicative of mental illness. If the trotter guard fits (I have no idea what footwear goes on pigs)
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Oct 13, 2015 19:09
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CommieGIR posted:We have TFR for gun chat. This is about the legality of gun control It was a joke, lighten up
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Oct 13, 2015 19:09
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LeeMajors posted:99% of conservatism is siege-mentality bullshit. Gun ownership fits snugly into the narrative of the weak-kneed, pee-pants persecuted avenger exacting justice on minorities and liberals. I don't know too many socially liberal minorities
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Oct 13, 2015 19:10
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walgreenslatino posted:
Ask the people who are in county jail awaiting trial. We absolutely do this, especially if you are poor and cant afford bail.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:10
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PCOS Bill posted:I don't know too many socially liberal minorities Somehow I'm gonna say this has something to do with you....
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Oct 13, 2015 19:12
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walgreenslatino posted:California has a Gun Violence Restraining Order, which is pretty much what it sounds like: a temporary order that allows law enforcement to remove a person's guns and ammunition, and prevent them from legally acquiring more.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:13
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PCOS Bill posted:I don't know too many socially liberal minorities Doesn't stop you assholes from shooting them.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:13
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meristem posted:This is interesting. How effective has it been? I'm sorry, that data is not available as the NRA has threatened to lobby against any and all funding of studies about the effects of gun violence and the effectiveness of gun control
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Oct 13, 2015 19:15
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 Responsible gun control means carrying your gun everywhere to be sure it never walks off and gets misused.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:16
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Butch Cassidy posted:
Better than leaving it on the dresser for your untrained girlfriend.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:17
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Literally The Worst posted:so you're literally voting against things you think would help other people because you'd be inconvenienced, thats what i'm hearing here Yes.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:17
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Butch Cassidy posted:
What's the silver thing?
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Oct 13, 2015 19:18
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Lemming posted:That was in an overwhelmingly democratic state, so a pretty different situation. States that are overwhelmingly controlled by Republicans look basically like you would expect them to, ie Kansas. Yes, of course, states that vote Republican in national elections are going to have state parties more reflective of the national party (or worse, even more regressive). But that's exactly the point CommieGIR here doesn't seem to understand when he claiming that the MA GOP is exactly like the national party.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:18
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meristem posted:This is interesting. How effective has it been? To be honest I don't know! I haven't seen any data, I haven't seen much bragging about it, I've just seen some complaining from the pro-gun-rights elements who haven't totally written off California If anyone has some that'd be cool blackguy32 posted:Ask the people who are in county jail awaiting trial. We absolutely do this, especially if you are poor and cant afford bail. That's also wrong and I don't agree with onerous bail requirements, but legally the justification is "making sure someone shows up to court" and not "preventing them from doing futurecrime" like the GVRA is
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PCOS Bill posted:What's the silver thing? you snort coke out of it
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Oct 13, 2015 19:19
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Its kind of weird since people keep bringing up mental health and better things to help with poverty, yet the people who are fighting to protect guns are fighting even harder to remove the things that help the poor and the mentally infirm. I wouldn't mind seeing some of that stuff done but the fact that all these issues are entangled by the Republican party is not by accident but by design.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:21
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walgreenslatino posted:To be honest I don't know! I haven't seen any data, I haven't seen much bragging about it, I've just seen some complaining from the pro-gun-rights elements who haven't totally written off California bill text: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1014 some basics: http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/26543/restraining-orders-guns research: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bsl.2173/abstract (would appreciate fulltext pdf if someone has access) press release on research: http://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-releases/2015/gun-violence-restraining-orders-promising-strategy-to-reduce-gun-violence-in-the-us.html
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Oct 13, 2015 19:22
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Years of hearing conservative complaints about how not treating their beliefs as being exactly as good as yours is unconscionably evil has convinced me there's no moral difference between killing and convincing. So bring on the FEMA death camps.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:23
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CommieGIR posted:Better than leaving it on the dresser for your untrained girlfriend. If I had an untrained girlfriend, my wife would be on my case to get her to the range and correct that oversight. PCOS Bill posted:What's the silver thing? IMCO Triplex
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Oct 13, 2015 19:26
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blackguy32 posted:Its kind of weird since people keep bringing up mental health and better things to help with poverty, yet the people who are fighting to protect guns are fighting even harder to remove the things that help the poor and the mentally infirm. It's not my fault Democrats are completely and irrationally against self-defense. That ranks higher than their other causes to me.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:32
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Jarmak posted:I'd say being willing to lose votes needed for more important issues just to force through bad laws makes you part of the problem. Would this actually work. The GOP pretty much runs on conspiracy theories these days, people were buying up all the ammo beginning in 2008 before Obama even did anything, I don't think the NRA would have any trouble convincing their members that the new pro-gun Democratic party is all just a smokescreen to get in power and then reveal their gun-gobbling lizard faces.
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walgreenslatino posted:California has a Gun Violence Restraining Order, which is pretty much what it sounds like: a temporary order that allows law enforcement to remove a person's guns and ammunition, and prevent them from legally acquiring more. The safety of the abused is more important than the right to own firearms for the abuser. Full stop. It's too commonplace for abusers to murder their estranged wives and children to allow it to continue unabated. Now, after a period of time for heads to cool down, and if the abuser has kept to their restraining order guidelines, they should probably get them back.
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