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PCOS Bill posted:That's waaaaaaaaay less than a 4473 bud.  I posted this earlier, but most Gun Stores don't actually turn those in unless they close or go out of business. Also, there is no digital records, and the records are often never sent to the registry.http://www.npr.org/2013/04/11/176954637/gun-registration-paper-trail-is-long-and-convoluted The tracking for amphetamine purchase? They are digital.
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PCOS Bill posted:No I don't think it does. I've literally bought both in SC and it is the absolute truth.
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Effectronica posted:Please don't lie about/not read the contents of other people's posts. I said freedom of movement, there. I'm not? Besides, what are you even arguing, that restraining orders are unconstitutional because they restrict freedom of movement? I don't get it And people with restraining orders against them can't buy firearms anyway, they're supposed to turn them in as soon as the order becomes effective. If that's where you were going, somehow
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Oct 13, 2015 20:30
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The Supreme Court disagrees and they are the only opinion that matters. Just you wait until Scalia dies and is replaced by someone who has a grasp on constitutional law
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Oct 13, 2015 20:30
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CommieGIR posted:
In zero ways does this relate to what you responded to.
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Oct 13, 2015 20:31
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"The Supreme Court is right because it is final, not because it is correct." -Oldest Joke in the Book. Please don't use anything penned by Scalia as based in anything but his ever shrinking mind.
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why am i unsurprised that pcos bill has fantasies about stalking and murdering black teenagers
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Please don't besmirch the good name of St. Scalia
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sudo rm -rf posted:why am i unsurprised that pcos bill has fantasies about stalking and murdering black teenagers Uh, what?
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Talmonis posted:So your stance, and the stance of all conservatives and the majority of gun owners, is that the constant murder of estranged wives, girlfriends and children of abusive men with restraining orders via firearms is not worth doing anything about, so long as it doesn't effect the 2nd amendment. The same I assume goes for school massacres and RaHoWa crusades? If you get a restraining order against someone, they are legally barred from possessing a firearm. That is already the law in all 50 states. It hasn't been made impossible by conservatives. It was made difficult by the framers of the constitution, on purpose, to restrict the removal of constitutional rights
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PCOS Bill posted:In zero ways does this relate to what you responded to. Either you didn't read it at all, or you are being purposefully dense: http://drugtopics.modernmedicine.com/drug-topics/content/tags/comptrollers-office/pharmacy-tracking-has-not-slowed-tennessee-meth-product Drug purchase in multiple Southern States is tracked by computer, with your ID and Address. Gun Registry and purchase forms are paper only and not required to be sent in, even the passed background checks are not logged by law. Most are never even forwarded, and often destroyed upon closure of the store. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Just you wait until Scalia dies and is replaced by someone who has a grasp on constitutional law He's lookin' pretty good for being an immortal lich king. sudo rm -rf posted:why am i unsurprised that pcos bill has fantasies about stalking and murdering black teenagers You racist.
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walgreenslatino posted:I'm not? Besides, what are you even arguing, that restraining orders are unconstitutional because they restrict freedom of movement? I don't get it I'm arguing that your analogy is bad because restraining orders restrict a fundamental right in a gigantic way, yet are still constitutional and acceptable.
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Dead Reckoning posted:See, this "we won't actually confiscate anything, just make it impossible to sell or replace the things you already own, totally different" is exactly the argument California trotted out when the state banned new 10+ capacity magazines in 2000, but this year Los Angeles followed San Francisco's lead and banned previously grandfathered magazines, so gun owners have no reason to believe that "no one is coming for your guns (yet)" is a promise made in good faith or will be adhered to in the future. so you honestly see a legal restriction on selling your gun to a teenager or felon with a violent criminal history as "basically impossible to sell a gun" who exactly do you think buys guns? i thought it was honest, law abiding citizens? why then do you think the government should not ensure this is the case? i'm confused by what you want, and i think this is because you are also confused
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Popular Thug Drink posted:so you honestly see a legal restriction on selling your gun to a teenager or felon with a violent criminal history as "basically impossible to sell a gun" Did you even read what you responded to?
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PCOS Bill posted:Did you even read what you responded to?
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Mavric posted:Keep going, you alone are making me reconsider my support of limited gun ownership. It doesn't really matter because our lobbyists/politicians are pretty much done making concessions anyway. Go hog wild.
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Oct 13, 2015 20:40
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PCOS Bill posted:Like when George Zimmerman, a Hispanic, defended himself against a black attacker and suddenly he was an evil racist despite years of proof that he wasn't a racist. https://twitter.com/TherealGeorgeZ/status/639437773980758016 Not racist.
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Talmonis posted:So your stance, and the stance of all conservatives and the majority of gun owners, is that the constant murder of estranged wives, girlfriends and children of abusive men with restraining orders via firearms is not worth doing anything about, so long as it doesn't effect the 2nd amendment. The same I assume goes for school massacres and RaHoWa crusades?
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PCOS Bill posted:Did you even read what you responded to? yes, i see a paranoid person who is entirely worried about what one local jurisdiction is doing and extrapolating that into a zionist plot to disarm patriots across the nation. i mean i also disagree with the disarming patriots part, i think that gun owners should have as many guns as they like and use them as often as possible since they most often use them on themselves, but that still doesn't preclude me from calling out paranoid delusions when i see them
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Effectronica posted:I'm arguing that your analogy is bad because restraining orders restrict a fundamental right in a gigantic way, yet are still constitutional and acceptable. I disagree because I don't think staying 100 feet from another person is an undue restriction, while i do think that taking all your firearms away "because a cop or a stranger said so and got a GVRO" is an undue restriction Alright last thing I'm gonna say is firearms are pretty fun and if anybody on either side of the debate lives in SE Pennsylvania and would like to see what all the fuss is about, shoot me a PM and maybe you can come shoot at a local event sometime. Maybe I'll run a background check because its not an onerous requirement imo, har har har Ok peace be with you all
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Tracking someone for the sake of preventing Drug Crime = A'okay Tracking someone for the sake of preventing Gun Crime = TYRANNY
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Someone should really shoot that guy. He did get in a gun fight, or maybe a gun standoff recently, I don't remember exactly. Either way, almost!
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PCOS Bill posted:Like when George Zimmerman, a Hispanic, defended himself against a black attacker and suddenly he was an evil racist despite years of proof that he wasn't a racist. You mean the attack that could have been avoided? The same Zimmerman that had history of aggression before the event and aggression after the event? The same one that was shown to be pretty racist? Yeah, no.
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walgreenslatino posted:I disagree because I don't think staying 100 feet from another person is an undue restriction, while i do think that taking all your firearms away "because a cop or a stranger said so and got a GVRO" is an undue restriction On the one hand, women could be shot by their abusive spouse. On the other hand I might be mildly inconvenienced without my toys for a few weeks.
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Oct 13, 2015 20:47
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CommieGIR posted:Tracking someone for the sake of preventing Drug Crime = A'okay Tbh if someone made a threat of a mass shooting or made a threat to kill someone on social media or whatever, I'd be fine with the government tracking them for a while.
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various cheeses posted:Tbh if someone made a threat of a mass shooting or made a threat to kill someone on social media or whatever, I'd be fine with the government tracking them for a while. what about people who threaten to shoot individuals, like oh pretty much every gun person on the internet does when pressed as to why they need a gun
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Popular Thug Drink posted:what about people who threaten to shoot individuals, like oh pretty much every gun person on the internet does when pressed as to why they need a gun It's actually okay and good to shoot individuals that try to rob and/or kill you. Don't try to rob anyone or kill anyone, and everything is fine.
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various cheeses posted:It's actually okay and good to shoot individuals that try to rob and/or kill you. Don't try to rob anyone or kill anyone, and everything is fine. actually you're more likely to die and possibly hurt/kill someone who isn't the person you're aiming at
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various cheeses posted:It's actually okay and good to shoot individuals that try to rob and/or kill you. if it's ok to shoot individuals who try to kill you why are you getting so butt hurt about 25,000 responsible, law-abiding american gun owners who kill someone who threatens them with bodily harm every year? you sound like a big fat hypocrite
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Literally The Worst posted:actually you're more likely to die and possibly hurt/kill someone who isn't the person you're aiming at statistically, most gun owners actually do kill the person they are aiming at when they use their firearms to end an imminent threat. check your facts
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Literally The Worst posted:actually you're more likely to die and possibly hurt/kill someone who isn't the person you're aiming at Where is this meme even from? Also ha ha more suicide jokes from our resident clown PTD. Yeah we get it, you want all gun owners to kill themselves, give it a rest.
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It's funny to think of how far "self-defense" firearms have come Like 100 years ago you would have just thrown a .32 in your pocket and said "that'll serve to put paid to the 'wrong element' if need be" Now that'd be seen as almost negligent, you don't have at least 30 rounds of 9mm or greater on your person? What if society collapses while you're at whole foods?
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various cheeses posted:Where is this meme even from? i don't know why you think i want anything. you're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with thousands of law abiding and licensed defenders of the second amendment. that's disrespectful, and wrong
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Oct 13, 2015 20:56
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various cheeses posted:It's actually okay and good to shoot individuals that try to rob and/or kill you. Don't try to rob anyone or kill anyone, and everything is fine. Kinda like threatening the Beurau of Land Management and FBI for trying to take your cattle off public land for failing to pay your fees?
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various cheeses posted:Where is this meme even from? the many simulations that show your best chance of survival is running away
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various cheeses posted:It's actually okay and good to shoot individuals that try to rob and/or kill you. Don't try to rob anyone or kill anyone, and everything is fine. No it's not, gently caress your property, it's not worth a human life. That's why no one has been sentenced to death for theft. Had you said "that try to kill you" then ok. But seriously, if you believe that your stuff should be defended with lethal force, your sociopathy makes you unfit to own a gun.
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CommieGIR posted:Kinda like threatening the Beurau of Land Management and FBI for trying to take your cattle off public land for failing to pay your fees? No, not similar to that at all actually.
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Literally The Worst posted:the many simulations that show your best chance of survival is running away are you saying that gun owners would be more likely to live if they just dropped their weapons? in the face of a threat? what are you, some kind of communist
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