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haveblue posted:Those are identification numbers not vote tallies. Damnit I was having fun thinking the Tortilla Coast Banditos were slowing up post office namings with ridiculous speeches.
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showbiz_liz posted:and Salon's take: Sweet Jesus, David Brooks is finally making sense: How Fox News & the GOP insanity caucus pushed him over the edge Don't know David Brooks but the article is pretty good. Daily beast is saying the debate could be Hillary's Waterloo! (My Waterloo was those little ketchup packets. That, and Cleveland.) ED: no, it was the jelly packets, not the ketchup. Sorry. SnakePlissken fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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Has this been posted?quote:On the anniversary of Clinton’s Iraq war vote, a closer look at her record shows her failed judgment on a consequential foreign policy issue. […] Bernie gonna Bernie, right? Nope! This was said by The RNC.
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SnakePlissken posted:Don't know David Brooks but the article is pretty good. Waterloo was good for the Duke of Wellington.
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Mr Interweb posted:Has this been posted? There's a mote in your eye, Hillary! Can't you see it, Rest Of America?!??
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evilweasel posted:He's no longer pretending that the lunatics are a wing of the party: he's saying "well, all the sane people are dead and only the lunatics are left". "All the sane ones are dead except me. Only I, the true arbiter of hierarchy, morality, and order, remain." *climbs onto pedestal, attempts to suck his own dick, falls off*
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Oct 13, 2015 20:42
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euphronius posted:Do republicans and democrats still go to lunch/dinner on the Hill or has even basic collegiality broken down? Chris Christie went down in the polls after hug-gate. Ill let you extrapolate out from there.
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Mr Interweb posted:Has this been posted? Jeb! has been blaming Hillary for Iraq and the rise of ISIS so this isn't really surprising. Feel free to bask in that for a bit.
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Oct 13, 2015 20:48
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McAlister posted:Clinton had given speeches focusing on the topic. Since not personally seeing it doesn't mean it doesn't exist I can't say betnie hasn't, just that what I have seen of him speaking on the subject were terrible positions. Actually, Hillary's campaign website doesn't mention demilitarizing the police. On her Issues page for criminal justice reform, she merely supports body cameras and "protecting the public without resorting to unnecessary force". Bernie holds those positions, along with many more, and more explicit positions including demilitarizing the police, as listed on his Issues page for racial justice.
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Mr Interweb posted:Has this been posted? My brain just short-circuited, there is no goddamn way the Republicans are attacking Hillary on Iraq, right?  X 600,000 (dead Iraqis)
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Oct 13, 2015 20:49
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McConnell is demanding a raise in Medicare eligibility age, Social Security cuts via the COLA, and ending the EPA's clean water regulations in exchange for raising the debt ceiling http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/mitch-mcconnell-entitlement-changes-fiscal-talks/
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Fried Chicken posted:McConnell is demanding a raise in Medicare eligibility age, Social Security cuts via the COLA, and ending the EPA's clean water regulations in exchange for raising the debt ceiling Alienating senior citizens is probably a bad move in the middle of an election cycle. Well the senior citizens that know that medicare and SS are government programs anyways.
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Oct 13, 2015 20:51
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Fried Chicken posted:McConnell is demanding a raise in Medicare eligibility age, Social Security cuts via the COLA, and ending the EPA's clean water regulations in exchange for raising the debt ceiling Does this turtle face moron realize playing chicken with the world economy is going to make a lot of people hate our guts. Even looking like we might default could cause a disaster.
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Something Else posted:Actually, Hillary's campaign website doesn't mention demilitarizing the police. On her Issues page for criminal justice reform, she merely supports body cameras and "protecting the public without resorting to unnecessary force". Bernie holds those positions, along with many more, and more explicit positions including demilitarizing the police, as listed on his Issues page for racial justice. You're correct her website doesn't use the buzzword you're looking for, but she undeniably supports the policies you're asking her to support: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/29/hillary-clinton-baltimore_n_7170668.html
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zoux posted:Alienating senior citizens is probably a bad move in the middle of an election cycle. Well the senior citizens that know that medicare and SS are government programs anyways. Especially when "old people" is a significant part of their voting numbers. Playing with fire, Yertle!
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Fried Chicken posted:McConnell is demanding a raise in Medicare eligibility age, Social Security cuts via the COLA, and ending the EPA's clean water regulations in exchange for raising the debt ceiling Hasn't Obama been pretty firm that he won't let the republicans take hostages over the debt ceiling anymore?
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Clearly Biden's entrance theme is Foreplay/Long Time by Boston and you're a drat fool if you disagree
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A default wouldn't be just suicide for the GOP, it would be literal suicide for their interests to. They rant and rave about evil socialists coming to take their poo poo but lol if they think thats all that will happen if the world economy gets blown up and suddenly were at 40%+ unemployment because every financial institution threw themselves of a bridge.
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fade5 posted:How in the... Every once in a while Fox will go after her for not being liberal enough on some random issue, I assume it's the same as the gun control opponents who complain that Obama didn't push a full gun ban after Fort Hood.
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Oct 13, 2015 20:57
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fade5 posted:How in the... maybe you forgot how a major presidential candidate has made it a plank of their campaign that g.w. bush kept the country safe
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Oct 13, 2015 20:58
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A Winner is Jew posted:Hasn't Obama been pretty firm that he won't let the republicans take hostages over the debt ceiling anymore? Being generous the thought may be that this time they have the senate as well and can make him do it, so the Dems will take the blame for the cuts like how they did for everything in the 90s
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Venom Snake posted:A default wouldn't be just suicide for the GOP, it would be literal suicide for their interests to. They rant and rave about evil socialists coming to take their poo poo but lol if they think thats all that will happen if the world economy gets blown up and suddenly were at 40%+ unemployment because every financial institution threw themselves of a bridge. "Obama's economy", Jeb Bush wins in a landslide I mean I said it up thread, but again, the insanity of the past 15 years has made them overwhelmingly the dominant political party of this country
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Fried Chicken posted:"Obama's economy", Jeb Bush wins in a landslide Jeb is literally almost below Rand Paul (who is spending his entire campaign vacationing), he's loving done. The economy destroying itself and the US going into a turbo depression would put so much fire behind movements like Bernies and Trumps. Basically it would be a coin toss if we end up a Socialist Republic or Quazi-Nationalist Socialist one.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Hasn't Obama been pretty firm that he won't let the republicans take hostages over the debt ceiling anymore? You have to read the article, Fried Chicken didn't get it quite right. It's a combined debt ceiling raise and pass a budget so McConnell could be putting those in his budget rather than tying them to the debt ceiling. That way he can say he got any budget concessions from the debt ceiling, while Obama can say he got them only as part of the budget. Fried Chicken posted:Being generous the thought may be that this time they have the senate as well and can make him do it, so the Dems will take the blame for the cuts like how they did for everything in the 90s No they can't, he still has a veto. He is in a weaker position to maneuver without having Reid pass a clean Senate bill but it's still a situation where both sides must agree to get anything done. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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euphronius posted:Do republicans and democrats still go to lunch/dinner on the Hill or has even basic collegiality broken down? My understanding is that a lot of that is gone now, especially with the people like Ted Cruz running around. Fried Chicken posted:"Obama's economy", Jeb Bush wins in a landslide What.
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Fried Chicken posted:McConnell is demanding a raise in Medicare eligibility age, Social Security cuts via the COLA, and ending the EPA's clean water regulations in exchange for raising the debt ceiling Why is he doing this? I know he hates all those things, but as far as SS and medicare goes, his base doesn't want those cuts, and to suggest this during election season? What the gently caress? 
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Oct 13, 2015 21:04
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:What. I think he's saying that he wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans let the global economy collapse in on itself so that they could blame it on Obama, or that lots of people would buy that story.
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Mr Interweb posted:Why is he doing this? I know he hates all those things, but as far as SS and medicare goes, his base doesn't want those cuts, and to suggest this during election season? What the gently caress? McConnell needs to strengthen his conservative bona fides after being the scapegoat the last two times for being the sane one. I think he's thinking he can act tough and have Boehner not give a gently caress since he's the lame duck and be the sane one.
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Fried Chicken posted:"Obama's economy", Jeb Bush wins in a landslide It's all fun and games until you actually wipe out those billions stashed away and wreck the world economy, then it's not fun at all because it hurts your bottom line, and loving hard too.
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Also saying the Democrats would get blamed for Republicans blowing up the economy is, asinine and is exactly the sort of dumb "strategy" that will gift wrap the house, senate and presidency to Democrats.
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As a practical matter though, Democrats won't give up poo poo to keep the government open because they view shutdowns as likely to hurt Republicans, not them. So Mitch doesn't have a strong hand here.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Also saying the Democrats would get blamed for Republicans blowing up the economy is, asinine and is exactly the sort of dumb "strategy" that will gift wrap the house, senate and presidency to Democrats. Uh we just saw on this very page the GOP blaming Hillary for voting for the Iraq War.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:These people are loving idiots Slate has more.
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McConnell is starting to think about killing the filibuster as well: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mcconnell-filibuster-commiteequote:Facing pressure from lawmakers on the far right who blame the Senate filibuster on their inability to get to advance their agenda, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is forming a new task force to explore changing the filibuster and other Senate procedural rules, The Hill reported Monday.
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evilweasel posted:Thing is, that piece isn't about the tea party. It's about the Republican Party as a whole. He's no longer pretending that the lunatics are a wing of the party: he's saying "well, all the sane people are dead and only the lunatics are left". I'm glad David Brooks found something to complain about other than people who are poor having sex without his permission. Venom Snake posted:Does this turtle face moron realize playing chicken with the world economy is going to make a lot of people hate our guts. Even looking like we might default could cause a disaster. Sure, those people are on one side. The other side is glaring at him while parading around with John Boehner's head on a pike.
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Hulk Krogan posted:I think he's saying that he wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans let the global economy collapse in on itself so that they could blame it on Obama, or that lots of people would buy that story. They've lost in public opinion every time they've remotely tried that, and doing it in a presidential election year is insanely reckless. No one is going to accept that Obama did it other than the people who are cheering for it in the first place. Moderates, such as they are, and the big money Republicans would be furious.
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zoux posted:Uh we just saw on this very page the GOP blaming Hillary for voting for the Iraq War. That's called preaching to the choir at best or at worst concern trolling, not actually anyone who was persuadable.
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Internet Webguy posted:Sure, those people are on one side. The other side is glaring at him while parading around with John Boehner's head on a pike. McConnell isn't at any real risk of being toppled because he's elected by the Republican caucus, not the Senate as a whole, and the Republican senators mostly like him and despise Cruz. It's not a situation where they can cause the same issues as the Freedom Caucus can.
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actually defaulting would lead to a mad max hellscape where boehner's leathery skin is worn with pride by the dc warlord battling the nyc crew. there will be no parties. only eternal battle for survival and the occasional blood orgy.
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evilweasel posted:McConnell is starting to think about killing the filibuster as well: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mcconnell-filibuster-commitee This isn't going to please From-One-Year-Ago Mitch McConnell quote:WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on Thursday that if he were to emerge as majority leader following this fall's elections, he'd prefer to keep in place the minority party's ability to filibuster legislation.
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