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Gravel Gravy posted:So you'd advocate wearing protection? The better analogy, following anti-suppressor logic, would be that sunglasses are a disguise that only a criminal would want to wear, despite the protection they provide from the sun. We must ban them so that people can see faces more clearly. Also, I'd have advocated your dad wearing protection.
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silencers are illegal because they have no legitimate purpose in self defense, but do have a purpose for the criminal usage of firearms. shooting down at the range or with your friends does not require a silencer as hearing protection is easily available in any recreational context. ...If i think about it a little, silencers wrt hearing damage makes no sense at all in a range context unless every gun is required to use a silencer. As that seems pretty drat unlikely, silencers are an ineffective means of preserving ones hearing. i assume silencers are not widely used by the police and military for the reason of being awkward and annoying
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Oct 16, 2015 17:58
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Craptacular posted:The better analogy, following anti-suppressor logic, would be that sunglasses are a disguise that only a criminal would want to wear, despite the protection they provide from the sun. We must ban them so that people can see faces more clearly. Don't hold me or my kin at fault for your...craptacular analogies 
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Oct 16, 2015 17:58
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:silencers are illegal because they have no legitimate purpose in self defense, but do have a purpose for the criminal usage of firearms. But what if we banned everything in the world? That would be pretty messed up, huh? I took Logic in college.
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Oct 16, 2015 17:59
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:silencers are illegal because they have no legitimate purpose in self defense, but do have a purpose for the criminal usage of firearms. I was going to go through this post and list all the incorrect assertions, but i don't want to effort post in a troll thread.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:00
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Name even one. You don't need any sources or graphs, just take 30 seconds to dash off reasons why my short rear end post is wrong.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:01
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That suppressors are illegal?
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Oct 16, 2015 18:01
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:silencers are illegal because they have no legitimate purpose in self defense, but do have a purpose for the criminal usage of firearms. Suppressors Their only purpose in the criminal use of firearms is the same as their non-criminal use: They take a gunshot form pain-inducingly loud to merely causing-long-term-hearing-damage loud.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:02
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Name even one. You don't need any sources or graphs, just take 30 seconds to dash off reasons why my short rear end post is wrong. If only there some some activity where people used guns and needed to hear at the same time. Too bad those don't exist.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:03
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They're illegal in 9 states.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:04
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:They're illegal in 9 states. Not if you have the correct license <3
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Oct 16, 2015 18:06
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:They're illegal in 9 states. I sometimes forget about the repressive states, living in one that allows both sodomy and hunting with a suppressor. Edit: Or even sodomy WHILE hunting with a suppressor. As long as it's on private land.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:06
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If you're trying to reduce accidental shootings, you have a moral imperative to fight for the legalization of suppressors, as less ambient noise will reduce the chance of range and hunting accidents.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:06
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However we feel about firearms regulation, I think we can all agree that gun fanboys whining about restricted access to suppressors is really the thing that, beyond anything else, pegs them as comically self-absorbed to the point of justifying any and all contempt for them.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:08
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Tezzor posted:However we feel about pro-choice regulation, I think we can all agree that pro-choice fanboys whining about restricted access to abortions is really the thing that, beyond anything else, pegs them as comically self-absorbed to the point of justifying any and all contempt for them.  
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Oct 16, 2015 18:11
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various cheeses posted:Did you click that link? There's literall nothing that a gun would have changed in this scenario, the man was taken by surprise before the invasion even began and the women were held at gunpoint from the get go. I'm unimpressed, try again maybe ?
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Oct 16, 2015 18:11
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Cans are awesome because they let you shoot otherwise obnoxiously loud rifles in your driveway without annoying the neighbors  
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Oct 16, 2015 18:12
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Guys, i'm starting a gofund.me to place all gun grabbers in an elaborate hidden camera prank show where they are forced to shoot an attacker or "die" to scare some common sense in to them. I'm going to need about 13.7 billion USD. What do you think?
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Oct 16, 2015 18:13
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Add some spaceships and I think you've got a winner there.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:17
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Ozmiander posted:Guys, i'm starting a gofund.me to place all gun grabbers in an elaborate hidden camera prank show where they are forced to shoot an attack or "die" to scare some common sense in to them. I'm going to need about 13.7 billion USD. What do you think? I heard that science fiction is big money now. Good business sense OP
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Oct 16, 2015 18:20
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:silencers are illegal because they have no legitimate purpose in self defense, but do have a purpose for the criminal usage of firearms. Suppressors are also ineffective for the purpose of criminal usage of firearms because they don't actually silence the gun, they just make it slightly quieter. That's why they're called suppressors and not silencers. And you still need hearing protection even with them.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:26
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Flowers For Algeria posted:There's literall nothing that a gun would have changed in this scenario, the man was taken by surprise before the invasion even began and the women were held at gunpoint from the get go. I'm unimpressed, try again maybe ? He was able to escape before his family was murdered. Wouldn't it be better for him to get a gun and confront the burglars before they raped and killed his family, rather than leave the house? What would you have done?
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Oct 16, 2015 18:28
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various cheeses posted:Wouldn't it be better for him to get a gun and confront the burglars before they raped and killed his family, rather than leave the house? What would you have done? Alternately, withdrawn his katana and shown those gun otaku what an honorable fight looks like.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:31
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various cheeses posted:He was able to escape before his family was murdered. Ok, so he gets a gun, goes back, and immediately gets shot to death. His family is still raped and killed. What has improved in this scenario?
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Oct 16, 2015 18:32
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https://youtu.be/eyU6iGjfK1c
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Oct 16, 2015 18:33
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Who What Now posted:Ok, so he gets a gun, goes back, and immediately gets shot to death. His family is still raped and killed. Well, for one, he/they would have at least had a loving chance.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:35
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CommieGIR posted:Actually, no they wouldn't. Because there is a reason the military is not handing out suppressors willy-nilly to infantry, and its not because of maintenance (otherwise they wouldn't have chosen the M-16/M-4 as their main combat arms if maintenance was a concern.) Police don't issue them to patrol officers because they rarely fire their guns, but it's not unheard of for SWAT teams to use them. Just because an Army grunt doesn't get issued a two-stage competition trigger, 16x Schmidt & Bender scope, or suppressor doesn't mean that a recreational shooter who feels the need for such things should be prohibited from buying them. CommieGIR posted:You can keep shifting the goal posts all you want, but it doesn't change that a suppressor is viewed by people in the professional field of arms as nothing more than a means to silence a gunshot to prevent it being heard in order to hide an action. CommieGIR posted:A suppressor does very little to hide muzzle flash. CommieGIR posted:I'm sorry I an debating in D&D? Because this isn't TFR? Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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Oct 16, 2015 18:36
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Who What Now posted:Ok, so he gets a gun, goes back, and immediately gets shot to death. His family is still raped and killed. If he had his gun on him at all times he wouldn't have needed to leave to get it.
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Who What Now posted:Ok, so he gets a gun, goes back, and immediately gets shot to death. His family is still raped and killed. They didn't know he escaped, he has the element of surprise and the upper hand. Why do you immediately assume he would make no difference?
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Craptacular posted:Also re: suppressors and crime, most firearm crime in the US is with handguns, as they're more easily concealable and transportable. So why the resistance to making a firearm longer and heavier by adding a suppressor? It's very difficult to carry a suppressed pistol concealed because of this. As a CCWing gunhaver/suppressor enthusiast, I've tried. This is a good point, its handguns which should be banned. At least shotguns and hunting rifles have are justifiable for reasons other than "my dicks a bit on the small side".
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Oct 16, 2015 18:36
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Hey Tezzor, where are you from anyway?
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The amount of time gun owners spend thinking about what if murder scenarios is starting to seem like maybe they are all just a little unstable? Maybe it's the constant fascination with weapons?
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Oct 16, 2015 18:38
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pointsofdata posted:This is a good point, its handguns which should be banned. At least shotguns and hunting rifles have are justifiable for reasons other than "my dicks a bit on the small side". I don't know. My dick is pretty average, but most of my pistols are tiny, except for the big heavy black(powder) one. What does that say?
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various cheeses posted:They didn't know he escaped, he has the element of surprise and the upper hand. Why do you immediately assume he would make no difference? Because real life is not like video games. 
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stealie72 posted:I don't know. My dick is pretty average, but most of my pistols are tiny, except for the big heavy black(powder) one. What does that say? You're a masochist because gently caress loading black powder pistols.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:40
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Who What Now posted:Because real life is not like video games. You are just loving adorable. "He doesn't need a gun and his family should just get killed and raped, because there's no way he could have shot any of them" Also, I'd be HAPPY to be killed trying to stop someone from raping/killing my family if the alternative is "got away and called the cops" while it was happening. So gently caress you, I guess? Plinkey posted:You're a masochist because gently caress loading black powder pistols.
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stealie72 posted:You are just loving adorable. Concussion victims: well known for the their proficiency in stealth ambush tactics and shooting accuracy. EDIT I'm not saying he doesn't need a gun. I'm saying gun or not it most likely doesn't affect the outcome.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:42
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Dead Reckoning posted:What exactly did you do in the military? Because you don't seem to know much about how guns work. As long as you treat it as a black and white issue and ignore any grey areas of gun control? Nope. Armyman25 posted:Hey Tezzor, where are you from anyway? Oh poo poo, Armyman25 is here. This is going to get good 
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Ozmiander posted:Just for comparison for the subject here are some facts how silencers are treated in Finland. That and suppressors are so much cheaper Finland. When you don't have to worry about a two hundred dollar tax and a 6-13 month wait, you don't need a ultra durable can
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Who What Now posted:Concussion victims: well known for the their proficiency in stealth ambush tactics and shooting accuracy. OK, saw your edit. You may be right, but at least he/they would have had a chance.
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