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Solemn Sloth posted:Going to go out on a limb and call a 22% swing an outlier Don't think so.
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# ? Oct 18, 2015 21:30 |
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Hello Ausgoons, I have heard some stuff about your laws and I was wondering if you could help me out! Is it true that in your country accusations of hate speech carry an assumption of guilt with the defendant having to prove they're innocent? Or is that something one of your political parties was trying to pass? What are voters' attitudes like in your country re: hate speech laws in general?
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# ? Oct 18, 2015 23:11 |
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in our country I can call you a racist and you have to prove me wrong or pay the wrongthink fine and wear a dunce cap.
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# ? Oct 18, 2015 23:20 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:Hello Ausgoons, I have heard some stuff about your laws and I was wondering if you could help me out! Is it true that in your country accusations of hate speech carry an assumption of guilt with the defendant having to prove they're innocent? Or is that something one of your political parties was trying to pass? What are voters' attitudes like in your country re: hate speech laws in general? Its all tru BBJoey posted:in our country I can call you a racist and you have to prove me wrong or pay the wrongthink fine and wear a dunce cap. This is true and happened
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# ? Oct 18, 2015 23:28 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:Hello Ausgoons, I have heard some stuff about your laws and I was wondering if you could help me out! Is it true that in your country accusations of hate speech carry an assumption of guilt with the defendant having to prove they're innocent? Or is that something one of your political parties was trying to pass? What are voters' attitudes like in your country re: hate speech laws in general? Yes it is all true, you can read about it in this fine book.
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# ? Oct 18, 2015 23:36 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Yes it is all true, you can read about it in this fine book. FROM ANCIENT GREECE TO CONVICTED RACIST ANDREW BOLT
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# ? Oct 18, 2015 23:48 |
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I dream of the day the government issues an Apology to Andew Bolt....... I just hope it happens in his lifetime
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# ? Oct 18, 2015 23:52 |
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EvilElmo posted:Wat. It fluctuates back and forth but after reading that quote from Latham, he is probably way more of a shitlord than he lets on.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:05 |
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:11 |
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How do you defend the indefensible?
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:15 |
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very, uh [checks notes] very carefully
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:21 |
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He's got a look on his face that says he doesn't understand what this is all about. Why are people angry and why didn't this happen to the last guy.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:25 |
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:33 |
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Watching Turnbull increase in the polls sure is something. At this point we're not sure if it's honeymoon or not.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:36 |
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At some point turnbull has to actually do some policy, not to mention a budget.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:40 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:At some point turnbull has to actually do some policy, not to mention a budget. You know he's going to throw out a sweet election budget, poo poo even Abbott threw out an election budget last time round in the hopes of getting a bump.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:44 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:At some point turnbull has to actually do some policy, not to mention a budget. Even when he does he's well spoken enough not to have half the country instantly reject it.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:47 |
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I wonder what his gimmick will be. Prob Brisbane - Melbourne mag lev or something.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:56 |
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Jesus stop posting the picture of Mr Potato Head.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 00:59 |
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Birb Katter posted:You know he's going to throw out a sweet election budget, poo poo even Abbott threw out an election budget last time round in the hopes of getting a bump. The coalition so far has proven themselves completely unable to walk the tightrope of explaining why the economy is in crisis, while also giving out candy to swing voters. So far Morrison has made his living by exploiting xenophobia, and then a short stint trying to victimise people on welfare. I'm not convinced that he is the ubermensch for a legitimately complex task.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:04 |
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Halo14 posted:Jesus stop posting the picture of Mr Potato Head. Ok.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:05 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:The coalition so far has proven themselves completely unable to walk the tightrope of explaining why the economy is in crisis, while also giving out candy to swing voters. So far Morrison has made his living by exploiting xenophobia, and then a short stint trying to victimise people on welfare. I'm not convinced that he is the ubermensch for a legitimately complex task. I think they've backed off the 'economy in crisis' button lately and are talking more about the 'economy of the future' which is basically ripping away worker entitlements that are supposed to be making business not agile enough or some poo poo.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:09 |
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So Dutton's defence of the situation just came out.ABC posted:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-19/peter-dutton-says-somali-woman-did-not-want-abortion-australia/6864668 Lefty Lawyers wage lawfare again.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:16 |
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gay picnic defence posted:I think they've backed off the 'economy in crisis' button lately and are talking more about the 'economy of the future' which is basically ripping away worker entitlements that are supposed to be making business not agile enough or some poo poo. Most people when they hear turnbull talking about agile either have no idea what he's talking about, or know it's a load of middle management wank that they've heard their fuckwit boss bleat on about.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:25 |
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"I'm very concerned about her privacy, but here are the sweet details to protect my starch rear end. It's ok I didn't mention any real names!!!" That's not how privacy works. It's hosed how the privacy of on water matters is absolute but the minister can loving bust out this poo poo about medical treatment/non-treatment to protect his rear end. And yes I know someone is going to empty quote this and just bold the protect his rear end bit.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:30 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:Hello Ausgoons, I have heard some stuff about your laws and I was wondering if you could help me out! Is it true that in your country accusations of hate speech carry an assumption of guilt with the defendant having to prove they're innocent? Or is that something one of your political parties was trying to pass? What are voters' attitudes like in your country re: hate speech laws in general? It's not true at all. You had some people get upset because a certain pro-government commentator got taken to court after he wrote a bunch of articles naming a number of Aboriginals for taken advantage of their heritage because they weren't black enough. The court ruled that he was full of poo poo since he hadn't even bothered to do any research, much less a google search. The government then went on a full 'Free Speech' rampage and tried to appeal the law before realising that running the 'it's okay to be a racist' card probably wasn't going to win it the next election.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:32 |
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Literally mad as hell right now that I worked a lovely APS job for years where a person's privacy was considered sacrosanct and the fastest way to get yourself fired, fined or jailed was to gently caress with that, but a loving Minister can just blab whatever he likes and will face zero consequences.Kegslayer posted:The government then went on a full 'Free Speech' rampage and tried to appeal the law before realising that running the 'it's okay to be a racist' card probably wasn't going to win it the next election. What happened to Brandis, I lost track of him after Turnbull came from behind with the knives.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:34 |
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Noted sweater enthusiast, George Brandis.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:37 |
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Tommofork posted:What happened to Brandis, I lost track of him after Turnbull came from behind with the knives.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:39 |
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From courier fail:quote:
By Andrew Bolt
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:52 |
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Group work sucks but so does life after university and it's good preparation for it. [EDIT: A lot of cheating and free riding could be eliminated by requiring students to present their assignments orally, but I guess the resources aren't there in most cases, especially in first year subjects with hundreds of students.]
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:57 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:From courier fail:
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 01:59 |
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Kegslayer posted:It's not true at all. You had some people get upset because a certain pro-government commentator got taken to court after he wrote a bunch of articles naming a number of Aboriginals for taken advantage of their heritage because they weren't black enough. Didn't one of Alan Jones or Andrew Bolt get convicted for inciting the Cronulla riots, too, or am I misremembering something?
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 02:03 |
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Most group assignments I've done with international students have resulted in similar problems to the examples in there. I don't mind the poor English because I know I sure as hell couldn't go to another country and do a course in a second language but the plagiarism gives me a shits. One of them gave me his contribution to out project, not only was it a c/p from wikipedia, it was the wrong loving wikipedia article. His response? "Oh, sorry. I didn't know it was one of those assignments where you had to read and understand".
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 02:03 |
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gay picnic defence posted:Most group assignments I've done with international students have resulted in similar problems to the examples in there. I don't mind the poor English because I know I sure as hell couldn't go to another country and do a course in a second language but the plagiarism gives me a shits. One of them gave me his contribution to out project, not only was it a c/p from wikipedia, it was the wrong loving wikipedia article. His response? "Oh, sorry. I didn't know it was one of those assignments where you had to read and understand". But surely people shouldn't be doing courses in a language they don't understand, it's ridiculous.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 02:16 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:So Dutton's defence of the situation just came out.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 02:18 |
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gay picnic defence posted:Most group assignments I've done with international students have resulted in similar problems to the examples in there. I don't mind the poor English because I know I sure as hell couldn't go to another country and do a course in a second language but the plagiarism gives me a shits. One of them gave me his contribution to out project, not only was it a c/p from wikipedia, it was the wrong loving wikipedia article. His response? "Oh, sorry. I didn't know it was one of those assignments where you had to read and understand". This is quite literally race baiting because this issue isn't to do with international students, it's to do with lovely students. International students do not have a monopoly on being lovely students. The best group member I've ever worked with was an international and the worst was Australian. Anecdote =/= evidence. Also forcing large group work on people is a lovely way of assessing individual performance, so if there's an issue there just assess individually and HERP DERP ISSUE SOLVED.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 02:19 |
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gay picnic defence posted:"Oh, sorry. I didn't know it was one of those assignments where you had to read and understand". He's going to fit right in to this country.
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 02:20 |
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There are legitimate concerns to be raised regarding universities putting pressure on staff to treat international students with a light touch when it comes to plagiarism/assessment quality so they keep getting those sweet overseas fees but as observed it's quite difficult to separate said concerns from "those fokkin orientals don't know nuffing about good learnin!!!".
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# ? Oct 19, 2015 02:31 |
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My last assignment ever was a few months ago and the international students in my group were excellent. Intelligent, analytical and insightful. They just had crap English. So we divided and conquered, I volunteered to edit and proof read the ~80ish parts of the assignment and we each agreed to split the assignment up into several parts that we all researched and put together separately. Where there was an issue with communicating an idea, we went back and forth until we had clarity and consensus. There was a point where we thought there was a copy/paste from an article there, went back and clarified and it was a miscommunication and rectified. I compare that to one of the other groups who all had perfect english but were full of alpha-personalities and spent most of their time debating what to do and how to do it that they ran short of time. Another group just ran out of time because they were poo poo at planning - again, with perfect English. It is difficult to tease apart the issues in this case. Of course there is pressure on our universities to admit and pass international students, but that pressure could easily be solved by more rigorous pre-university education on ethics and expectations of university life. Perhaps the universities can make that a prerequisite of their courses (and of course charge for the privilege). Hooman is right, this isn't an issue with international students, it's an issue with lovely students and there are multiple ways of ensuring lovely students are either prepared for the workload and expectations, or quite rightly flunked when they don't perform.
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