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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Private opinion, do not steal.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 10:37

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 18:28

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

katlington posted:

Private opinion, do not steal.

More that a lot of this debate has been misunderstanding/expressing views and trying to prevent another page long debate over what I said vs what I meant.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 10:38

Splode: Jun 18, 2013; put some clothes on you little freak

Hello, it's me, infamously racist about international students guy.

Group work is almost always obviously about the uni saving money. It's poo poo.

When you end up with international students, the language barrier sucks, as you're trying to communicate hard concepts you only sort of understand yourself, so it's usually easier to just not bother and do it all yourself.

However, the shittiest students are almost always domestic. The students who don't bother to show up, don't bother to learn anything, blatantly (AND KNOWINGLY*) cheat? Always domestic. They rely on just enough charisma that other group members feel sorry for them, and coast through the whole degree.

*I've encountered international students who don't really understand what is and isn't plagiarism. It's never intentional dishonesty. Domestic students know they're cheating and do it anyway.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 10:52

Goodpart: Jan 9, 2004; quarter circle forward punch
quarter circle forward punch
quarter circle forward punch
rip

Lid posted:

I'd like you to expand on this point, regarding intersectionality, as if you illustrate it I can be shown to be wrong or be able to address the situation accordingly.

context: I was a HS teacher for 5 years

Many white kids are given a layer of cultural, economic and/or occupational insulation against underachievement precisely because they have the established capital to "do just fine" irrespective of how their education pans out. At the school I worked at, it manifested in anglo kids with tons of academic potential basically pissing it away because they lacked any real reason to excel. That doesn't mean they all do, but the likelihood of it panning out this way skyrockets in this case.

Conversely Chinese kids (and to be more accurate, Indians, Viets, Koreans, and literally any other minority group) tend to have much more dire circumstances in the event that their education doesn't pan out and so their families tend to drive them towards top results out of desperation over their future. They tutor them within an inch of their life, bargain with the department over literally anything they can, and overlook instances of cheating. You can bitch and moan about Angry Ethnic Parents but when you catch their exasperation on parent teacher night when they try to explain in broken English that this is their kid's shot at not ending up like them, it makes more sense.

Those kids then go on to tertiary study even though they're clearly not up to the task and have to resort to less than honest means to gain their qualifications specifically because they can't do it themselves.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 10:54

Smegmatron: Apr 23, 2003; I hate to advocate emptyquoting or shitposting to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

Lid posted:

Thank you, this is a very good reply and makes a lot more sense to me than your first reply. Unless I missed a Negligent post though I don't think anyone has been taking the view that only international students cheat, the closest has been arguments that disproportionately international students have found to have been cheating against a "control" of the domestic student population (I have no sources on this and I am NOT advocating this as an argument, DO NOT misquote me and say I expressed this view).

The original article was dog whistling that exact point; international students are all cheating bastards who can't be trusted and they're ruining our glorious aryancation system. Obviously I'm not suggesting you agree with it.

I'm not sure what the stats are on the prevalence of cheating in different cohorts, but if it is higher for international students I'd suggest that's more about local students having the cultural and linguistic context to cheat more successfully than a higher rate of a tempted cheating. What Goodpart is saying, and I was getting at, is that you shouldn't look at it as a problem with cheating, because that just implies that cheating is considered fine in those cultures. I can tell you from first hand experience with Chinese teachers that it absolutely is not. Instead, it's more an issue of the problems those students are facing which push them towards cheating.

In Australia, it's generally high stakes summative assessment combined with poor scaffolding of tasks because everybody assumes that the last teacher taught them how to do it so it should be easy. This is also known as "being a poo poo teacher" and it happens at every level of our education system. For international students, there needs to be much more scaffolding. The Uni might put them through a course that checks their writing ability and gives them a few pointers on sentence structure, but as long as they're put into courses with massive amounts of required cultural context and given no support, they're left with a choice between definitely fail, or cheat and maybe fail.

A "simple" task along the lines of "write a 2500 word essay about your favourite book" has an incredible amount of cultural baggage attached to it, and most teachers at a secondary or tertiary level don't even understanding what that baggage is, let alone take the time to explain it (primary can fudge it a little since that's kind of what they're in the business of teaching anyway). If you haven't been shown this stuff and you start racking up the fails while you're paying tens of thousands a year, plus living expenses, there's no way you won't at least think about cheating and there's definitely

Short version; our education system encourages cheating regardless of a student's background, by offering gently caress all support and employing staff who, while they're experts in their fields, aren't even slightly equipped to support international students. Reducing it to a cultural problem is ignorant at best, unless you're talking about the culture of our education system.

Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Oct 19, 2015

# ? Oct 19, 2015 10:54

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

http://www.nbnco.com.au/learn-about-the-nbn/three-year-construction-plan.html?cid=vanity%3A3yearplan

NBN rollout plans have been updated apparently. Looks like I'm getting "HFC" in 1st half of 2017.

Whatever HFC is.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 10:56

Splode: Jun 18, 2013; put some clothes on you little freak

Smegmatron posted:

Short version; our education system encourages cheating regardless of a student's background, by offering gently caress all support and employing staff who, while there experts in their fields, aren't even slightly equipped to support international students. Reducing it to a cultural problem is ignorant at best, unless you're talking about the culture of our education system.

Here's a fun anecdote from my course that demonstrates this phenomenon exactly.

The assignment: write, in assembly code (which nobody has seen before this subject), that does a bunch of things.
You have around 3 weeks.

The assignment has not been changed ever.

So, all the students view it like this: I have a mate who did it last semester, and she sent me her code. I should code it myself, and maybe refer to her stuff if I get stuck, but I have three other subjects.

HMMMM

It's worth noting that domestic students have more opportunity to cheat here (as they know more people who've done the subject), and are better at faking it, as they know how to disguise the old code from the english-speaking marker.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:02

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

tithin posted:

http://www.nbnco.com.au/learn-about-the-nbn/three-year-construction-plan.html?cid=vanity%3A3yearplan

NBN rollout plans have been updated apparently. Looks like I'm getting "HFC" in 1st half of 2017.

Whatever HFC is.

Turnbull's Election Strategy (Hyper fibroid-coaxial, its a cable tv technology ie you're not considered important enough for fibre. Bendigo is very important enough for fibre.).

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:02

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

Get a load of this little fuckwit

http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/the-strange-world-of-a-teenage-conservative-political-commentator?utm_source=vicefbanz

quote:

Being a teenager is weird no matter who you are. Everyone feels out of place, like you're constantly in the wrong place at the wrong time and in the wrong body. Caleb Bond might actually be right though. A self-described "conservative with a splash of libertarianism," he regularly writes about Australian current affairs for The Daily Telegraph and The Advertiser in his native Adelaide. He also lends his views to radio news shows, and last year Miranda Devine interviewed him on 2GB. They're friends now.

His resume reads like that of a seasoned overseer of the political landscape, which he kind of is, except Caleb wasn't able to talk to me earlier in the week because he had school exams.

VICE caught up with him to get a sense of a very different kind of teen rebellion. The kind where you collect fountain pens and refer to supporting Kevin Rudd when you were eight as your "misguided youth".

VICE: Hey Caleb. You're 16, why spend your time on politics rather than, I don't know, trying to score beers? Was there a watershed moment for you?
Caleb Bond: Apparently when I was two I watched all the coverage of 9/11. I think it is an interest that has existed and developed over time. I can remember back to 2007 when, in my misguided youth, I wanted Rudd and Labor to win. Buggered if I know why. It was probably some rubbish I cooked up as an eight-year-old. Many people transition to conservatism over their lifetime. I did it a little quicker.

The shift to conservatism is common with age, as someone doing that at warp speed, why do so many people make that change?
They get more sensible. They realise the idealistic ways of socialism aren't practical. There's a saying often attributed to Winston Churchill: "A man not a socialist at 20 has no heart, a man not a capitalist at 40 has no brain." I'm heartless.

Is your family political?
My father is a militant atheist. We're not an overly conservative family. There are no strong feelings. I think I'd describe my father as a centrist. My mother is not particularly politically interested. It's not like I've risen from a really conservative family with lots of money who go to church every weekend. When I hear people say, "I vote Labor or I vote Liberal because my parents did," that's absurd. That's not your vote. That's someone else's vote. Make your own mind up.

I feel we need to mention that the way you speak is unusual for someone your age. Who do you model yourself on?
I don't model myself on people, I think that's a recipe for disaster. Some things just happen and this is likely one of them. I've been described in a host of different ways: A cross between Alan Jones and Jeremy Cordeaux, the lovechild of Alan Jones and Bronwyn Bishop, and Christopher Pyne are among them. Though I am interested to know what makes it different.

I guess you just sound very adult and proper. You seem to exist so much in the adult world. How does this all go down at school? What do girls think of you, for example?
Look, not one of the fairer sex showed any interest in me before I started in the media, nor have they shown any interest since. So you could say it has been neither a help nor a hindrance. I suspect the problem is that I have a face for radio and I fancy girls either too attractive or too old for me. Never mind. Sandra Lee [the Australian journalist, not the American pimple-popper] once told me I'd "break hearts aplenty." I'm still waiting!

Do you understand other teenagers?
I spend enough time around other young people to know what's going on. Some are into politics, some aren't. Some are more interested in chasing the opposite sex or partying or whatever it might be. Young people tend to care about social issues. Things like same-sex marriage and so on, they have very strong opinions about.

What's your opinion on same-sex marriage?
I'm absolutely sick to death of same-sex marriage. Just get it over and done with. I support its legalisation, although not fervently. It's such a non-issue that continues to dominate our political discussion. But if you ask young people about the economy they look at you edgeways. As for what they think is cool: girls, cars, much the same as me apart from music.

How so?
They listen to FM, I listen to AM. I like a wide variety of music from Frank Sinatra to 60s to country. Young people seem to hate country.

What else do you do for fun?
Well, politics is my fun, really. I enjoy communicating and being involved in that scene. I do local theatre with a group that I have been a part of for seven years. At the end of the year we do a traditional Christmas pantomime that incorporates a cast from eight to 80 years of age.

I always particularly enjoy the pantomimes�I usually play some sort of cockney. It's a wonderful form of theatre. The audience interaction and opportunity for ad-libbing and dirty jokes makes it fantastic fun.

What about day-to-day stuff outside politics?
I have a fascination with fountain pens. These days, with computers, you write less and less, so I firmly believe that when you do write it should be an experience, not a task. I often go to the various auctions around Adelaide to pick up fountain pens for a bargain. Not everyone's cup of tea, but it amuses me. Parkers are my favourites but I've also been using a Jinhao X450 for quite a while. Some cheap Chinese thing for $5 on eBay. It's superb value for money.

We mentioned girls before, but in general has you political commentating given you a profile at school?
Certainly. My interest in politics was apparent long before I started appearing in the media. I've been telling everyone around me this stuff for years. I don't think my teachers are intimidated�most of them appreciate it. One particular teacher, a strident unionist and socialist, has a chat with me at least once a week about the latest political goss.

Do you get bullied?
Not at all. I can't remember a time when I've been bullied. Occasionally someone�always a year or two below me�tries to take the piss out of me. The novelty wears off pretty quickly. I've built up respect in my school because I do a lot things to help various people and activities. Plus, I think everyone aware that whatever they give me I'm liable to give back threefold verbally. It's much easier to bully people who get hurt by it. I don't, so they don't waste their time.

I can't help but feel like you've electively skipped a huge part of being young. Don't you worry you're missing out?
Never. The only bit I've really skipped is the part where you don't care about anything. I haven't gone off the rails. I have many friends and we talk about inane things like anyone else. Politics is one facet of my life. It creeps into others, but it doesn't dominate. Besides, anyone who wants to leave me out probably isn't worth my time in the first place, so they can get stuffed.

Speaking of going off the rails, what do you think of drugs?
I've never touched them and I don't intend to. They're terrible, destructive substances. I find it difficult to sympathise with people who get caught up in drugs. The ice epidemic is bloody awful, though this isn't the first time we've seen such an issue. Not that long ago heroin was a major problem. We need to look back to the Howard years for inspiration on how to tackle drugs.

What about tackling weed and other drugs with legalisation?
I don't plan on pleasing the potheads. People make out like it's as harmless as a hundreds-and-thousands biscuit. They're mad. The evidence shows a link between whacky tobacky and mental illness, along with a number of other adverse effects. Tobacco and alcohol already cause enough problems without adding another one.

What are your thoughts on data retention?

I'm not overly miffed. The internet is a public place�if I have to rely on a third party to use it, then it isn't private. It's like having a conversation with someone in a caf�, I'm chatting quietly at my table but you're stupid if you don't think someone might be eavesdropping. I've not been planning any terrorist attacks, so I think I'm all clear.

Do you ever wonder if your conservatism is a phase you'll grow out of?
I've not once thought it might be a phase. As far as I'm concerned, conservative is just how I am. Opinions change, but I'm not expecting to join the Socialist Alliance anytime soon.

Do you have a fanbase?
Occasionally someone works out who I am. A few months ago someone heard me speak and came up to ask if I was Caleb Bond. They'd heard me on the radio the week before. I was having coffee with a friend the other day and the manager of the cafe asked me if my name was Bond. He recognised me from Twitter. It doesn't happen often, but I haven't been to Sydney yet where most of my stuff has been published. The plan is to visit old Sydney town next year. I adore Adelaide, but I crave an affair with Sydney. I'm sure Adelaide won't mind. I have no plans to go near Canberra any time soon. I visited in March and the coldness of politics was more than evident in the morning temperature.

So you don't have political aspirations?
I would never say never, but politics is somewhat of a dirty game and I'm not particularly sure whether I'm cut out for that. I'm not sure I'm cut out for toeing a party line either. I tend to have my own view and think it's best. The idea of having to sing to someone else's songbook doesn't really appeal to me.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:06

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

HFC means you've got a cable TV network running in your street so that's good enough

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:06

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Laserface posted:

Get a load of this little fuckwit

http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/the-strange-world-of-a-teenage-conservative-political-commentator?utm_source=vicefbanz

There must be something about who you were "raised under" politically resulting in an opposite political affiliation. Tony Abbott and his ilk were all under Gough Whitlam and became monsters, whereas most of us were under John Howard/George W Bush becoming raging pinkos. Now we're getting kids raised under Rudd and Gillard and thinking "we need to get all Thatcherite up in this".

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:09

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

No different than what I've got now, only now I'll be fighting with every yahoo for bandwidth then.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:13

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

tithin posted:

No different than what I've got now, only now I'll be fighting with every yahoo for bandwidth then.

Mate it's just the Internet it's not like it's important or anything. And if you want to watch game of thrones well you can get it on Foxtel on the same cable orright?!

Edit: posted from my fttp connection lol fygm

Laserface fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Oct 19, 2015

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:19

MiniSune: Sep 16, 2003; Smart like Dodo!

Laserface posted:

Edit: posted from my fttp connection lol fygm

read from my fttp connection lol fygm

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:23

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

56K Warning :siren:

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:26

MiniSune: Sep 16, 2003; Smart like Dodo!

gently caress someone didn't change the roll in the fax machine.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:27

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

tithin posted:

http://www.nbnco.com.au/learn-about-the-nbn/three-year-construction-plan.html?cid=vanity%3A3yearplan

NBN rollout plans have been updated apparently. Looks like I'm getting "HFC" in 1st half of 2017.

Whatever HFC is.

Construction set to begin on FTTN in my surburb last half of 2018, no idea how long it will take to roll out.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:29

DAAS Kapitalist: Nov 9, 2005; Jackass: The Mad Monk

Don't try this at home.

tithin posted:

No different than what I've got now, only now I'll be fighting with every yahoo for bandwidth then.

No-one uses Yahoo, you'll be fine.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:32

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

GoldStandardConure posted:

Construction set to begin on FTTN in my surburb last half of 2018, no idea how long it will take to roll out.

I'm moving from a place where construction is starting next month, to a place where construction is starting same as you.

At least I won't be staying there for that long.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:32

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

56K Warning

is Bong Snortern gonna go after Tones for being rich now

maybe Tony Abbott can afford to spend $1000 on a coffee table Mr Speaker but the average Australian struggles to pay their kids private school fees and make payments on the jetski

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:37

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

It was a marble table commissioned for the new Parliament House in 1988. It was probably sculpted by her Majesty herself.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:42

Divorced And Curious: Jan 23, 2009; democracy depends on sausage sizzles

Laserface posted:

Get a load of this little fuckwit

http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/the-strange-world-of-a-teenage-conservative-political-commentator?utm_source=vicefbanz

im going to give this fuckin nerd a wedgie and take his lunch money

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:42

Ahh Yes: Nov 16, 2004; >_>

So Kathy Jackson and her beloved seem to have severe diagnosed and undiagnosed mental illnesses from the exciting 4corners this evening.

It was like reading the freep thead level of crazy.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:43

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Ahh Yes posted:

So Kathy Jackson and her beloved seem to have severe diagnosed and undiagnosed mental illnesses from the exciting 4corners this evening.

It was like reading the freep thead level of crazy.

Don't do drugs kids.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:48

Milkfred E. Moore: Aug 27, 2006; 'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

gay picnic defence posted:

I don't know about China, but my Indian housemate told me that most assignments over there allow you to just c/p poo poo off the internet, which I would consider cheating. It's obviously a social thing rather than a racial thing, but I'm not sure how else you can easily get the point across without bringing up their country of origin.

Didn't that 4Corners investigation find that it was predominantly Chinese/Indian/SE Asian students paying for assignments?

this reminds me of something

years ago, i read a story called escalation or cubicle jungle. it was a fictional first-person account of an inter-office war that went from simple pranks to nerf guns and ended in an actual gunfight that killed everyone in the office. it was a very well-written work and one i have on my hard drive to this day. one day, when looking for the story to pass around as a link, i found it under the name of 'daring circle', apparently written and published by a gentleman in pakistan. only you could tell it was plagiarized because he had added a preface that was terribly written and had made no changes to the story whatsoever, so it was still unabashedly american.

i always wonder what the anonymous author of that story thinks about that.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:53

meteor9: Nov 23, 2007; "That's why I put up with it."

tithin posted:

http://www.nbnco.com.au/learn-about-the-nbn/three-year-construction-plan.html?cid=vanity%3A3yearplan

NBN rollout plans have been updated apparently. Looks like I'm getting "HFC" in 1st half of 2017.

Whatever HFC is.

Oh boy they finally put Mt Druitt on there! We're gonna get

Cable next year maybe. Well, balls. Already got cable, and it still manages to crap out to 1mbps (megaBIT) every sunday. Maybe it won't cost 80 goddamn bucks then?

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:54

Jintor: May 19, 2014

BCR posted:

Mainland China has mandatory English as well. They have about 3 hours or so a week since grade 7. My opinion its down to rote learning and no critical thinking in education because its the communist system.

also at least partially to do with the cultural revolution absolutely decimating the intelligensia of china, either by killing, gulags, driving out of the country or the time old tradition of destroying all the universities and making sure any staff are either loyal to the party or so scared of the party they don't dare do anything else

# ? Oct 19, 2015 11:54

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Don't do drugs kids.

Don't mind me, just recording some phone calls.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 12:07

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Ahh Yes posted:

So Kathy Jackson and her beloved seem to have severe diagnosed and undiagnosed mental illnesses from the exciting 4corners this evening.

It was like reading the freep thead level of crazy.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/10/19/4332251.htm

Everyone watch the crazy train.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 12:09

Ahh Yes: Nov 16, 2004; >_>

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Don't mind me, just recording some phone calls.

lol! That bit was amazing!!

Like what are they going to gain from this?

I'm so confused, do they not realise they look freakin' crazy?

# ? Oct 19, 2015 12:15

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

tithin posted:

NBN rollout plans have been updated apparently. Looks like I'm getting "HFC" in 1st half of 2017.

Whatever HFC is.

It's what Telstra/Fotxel and Optus will be paid ~20 billion for, their HFC network covering less than 1 million dwellings. The other 7 million dwellings in the country will be connected for about $25 billion, although Telstra will get rents on their current infrastructure until the heat death of the universe.

Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Oct 19, 2015

# ? Oct 19, 2015 12:16

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Wow Lawler just said cuntstruck on the ABC.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 12:26

hawaiian_robot: Dec 5, 2006; And I'm happy just to sit here,
At a table with old friends.
And see which one of us can tell the biggest lies

Time to modify the Greens Party pamphlet hahaha.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 12:35

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

hawaiian_robot posted:

Time to modify the Greens Party pamphlet hahaha.

Shooter and Fishing Party 5eva

# ? Oct 19, 2015 12:40

Skellybones: May 31, 2011; Fun Shoe

Yes smash Aussie culture please. I'll take two.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 12:48

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Ahh Yes posted:

lol! That bit was amazing!!

Like what are they going to gain from this?

I'm so confused, do they not realise they look freakin' crazy?

The phone calls between him and the man with dementia are astounding.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 12:57

Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

hawaiian_robot posted:

Time to modify the Greens Party pamphlet hahaha.

poo poo, this is even more appealing. Who do I talk to in the Greens to get all this adopted as official policy?

# ? Oct 19, 2015 12:59

hawaiian_robot: Dec 5, 2006; And I'm happy just to sit here,
At a table with old friends.
And see which one of us can tell the biggest lies

Cleretic posted:

poo poo, this is even more appealing. Who do I talk to in the Greens to get all this adopted as official policy?

Yeah the person that posted this was acting like it's a bad thing? Sign me the gently caress up

# ? Oct 19, 2015 13:01

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

They didn't even have the wit to white-out the 'for' in the slogan to make it a statement about the erosion of cultural values.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 13:08

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 18:28

Majestic: Mar 19, 2004; Don't listen to us!

We're fuckwits!!

I've been lecturing at a Go8 university for the past three to four years, and I've never felt any pressure whatsoever to treat international students differently. I'm sure it exists (and I believe has been directly documented in some cases) but it's certainly not as widespread as some people are suggesting.

We are at times pressured to avoid having failure rates as high as they really should be, (which if we were going by the standards of 10-20 years ago, should be in excess of 50%), but this is not specific to domestic or international students.

If you're the kind of person who thinks that group work only exists to save the university money, then you're the exactly the sort of person who makes groupwork necessary for our accreditation. We're repeatedly told by industry bodies that they want to see us do more group work, not less. Almost any graduate position you might find yourself in will involve working in teams, frequently with people you don't like and with differing skill levels. Assessing in groups is obviously difficult to do fairly, but all assessment is imperfect by its nature.

I hate having to deal with groupwork as an academic, it's a massive increase of workload, because I have to deal with students complaining about each other, getting into arguments, complaining about the "unfair" nature of group assessment, and so on.

We don't do it because it reduces our workload, we do it because we're constantly told by employers and industry bodies that our graduates are terrible at working in teams. If we want to reduce workload, we'll just set you a 100% exam.

Anyway, that's my anecdote from the other side of the lectern.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 13:29

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