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why is the poison arrow bow so poo poo. Only has like a third of the ammo of the other bows, and despite making a CLOUD of poison gas, it only ever affects one rat at a time. Let me gas like a dozen rats and I'm a-OK with the low ammo count
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dogstile posted:This made it worse and better at the same time. As in its a bit smoother but when it stutters holy poo poo does it stutter, its a bit weird. Yeah I have the same experience too. I leave it on because it's the only thing that stops stutters overall but when the poo poo hits the fan I get single digit fps. Apparently borderless fullscreen helps as well but I'm too lazy to change my desktop resolution to equal my game resolution every time I want to play. I just block in a corner when my fps drops and hope pubbie players can pick up the slack (they don't).
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Oct 19, 2015 22:22
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Trier posted:why is the poison arrow bow so poo poo. Only has like a third of the ammo of the other bows, and despite making a CLOUD of poison gas, it only ever affects one rat at a time. Let me gas like a dozen rats and I'm a-OK with the low ammo count Yeah, I get the feeling the hagbane's niche was meant to be crowd control but the clouds are super loving tiny and it has no ammo so it sucks poo poo at doing that. If it poofed into smaller versions of globadier clouds that made skaven in it wretch and choke it would be worth giving up the damage and ammo count that other bows offer.
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Oct 19, 2015 22:24
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5 Nightmare sewer runs later: 1 blue, 2 greens, 2 whites. Just kill me now. End it, please.
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Oct 19, 2015 22:29
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Mr Scumbag posted:All I can say is thank gently caress for Steam refunds. Mr Scumbag posted:Getting virtually nothing for failing a map (even if you get right to the end) is really lovely, especially given how long it can take to complete a mission. That's probably one of the biggest problems I have with the game, it really doesn't respect your time and can be really demoralising. It also doesn't explain anything very well and much of the time it's difficult to know what's even going on because there's so much poo poo on the screen. Getting hosed over by a special rat feels cheap a lot of the time since there doesn't seem to be any way to reliable detect them in the middle of a hoard. A lot of this probably wouldn't be as bad after I've played for a bunch of hours, but then I'm ineligible for a refund, so... Payday2 pretty much gives you even less for failing a mission. Mr Scumbag posted:
Ultimately you didn't have fun, so it sounds like steam refunds serve their purpose!
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Oct 19, 2015 22:34
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Dezztroy posted:5 Nightmare sewer runs later: 1 blue, 2 greens, 2 whites. If you're at the point where you're grinding nightmare for items, you'd probably be much better off to just take a break for a week and then do it properly once the whole thing is released. There's bound to be another map that'll be about as quick/easy as sewers while having at least some tomes and/or grimoures.
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Oct 19, 2015 22:39
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Why even do the sewer ever much less grind it? No tomes, no grimoires, no thank you. I've had a good handful of competent pub groups by doing hard mode horn level runs.
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Oct 19, 2015 22:53
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I'm a bit dissapointed that I may actually end up picking this up on PS4 and not PC as my computer is too lovely to run it well.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:00
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How the hell do I figure out how to play? It's hard to learn when pubbies keep vote-kicking you.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:01
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Gimnbo posted:How the hell do I figure out how to play? It's hard to learn when pubbies keep vote-kicking you. I... Have never even seen a vote kick intiated in 30+ games so kudos. As long as you stay with the group (or just whichever player is highest level to be safe) and swing vaguely in the direction of enemies you basically have 90% of the game down. EDIT: You can try playing a few games on easy with bots first to learn the ropes, they follow you pretty effectively and are better than the average new player.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:04
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Dazh posted:Why even do the sewer ever much less grind it? No tomes, no grimoires, no thank you. I've had a good handful of competent pub groups by doing hard mode horn level runs. It's faster and has less chances to gently caress up than the other two maps. Sure each completion might give you lower-quality loot, but you might be looking at 2-3x as many completions with a solid group or way more if you factor in wipes and resets.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:04
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The sewer level is fun at least. Me and my friends are still trying to figure out the best way to deal with rat ogres when we're not loaded on bombs + strength potions. Everything else boils down to me getting headshots with the soldier's way too good rifle. 
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Oct 19, 2015 23:05
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Gimnbo posted:How the hell do I figure out how to play? It's hard to learn when pubbies keep vote-kicking you. Join the goon mumble and never ever ever play with pubbies. Same as with any other online game.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:05
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Full Circle posted:I... Have never even seen a vote kick intiated in 30+ games so kudos.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:06
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Metrohunter posted:The sewer level is fun at least. I dumped the entirety of my witchdocter pistol count into him and it looked like it did gently caress all, i'm thinking he's a bit resistant to range.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:06
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The gatling gunner shooting through walls really needs to get fixed
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Oct 19, 2015 23:07
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Drythe posted:The gatling gunner shooting through walls really needs to get fixed gently caress I'm agreeing with dry the
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Oct 19, 2015 23:09
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Drythe posted:The gatling gunner shooting through walls really needs to get fixed Here is a solution: get gud
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Oct 19, 2015 23:14
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Metrohunter posted:The sewer level is fun at least. Liberal application of Warhammer to the Dome followed by a backdash. Rinse and repeat until somebody makes a witty quip about the ogre biting it. The Elf's dagger ganks work well on it too if you're quick.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:18
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Someone tried to vote kick me once for using my healing "too early". Everyone else made fun of him and he dropped. The bot did better anyway.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:34
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Josef bugman posted:I'm a bit dissapointed that I may actually end up picking this up on PS4 and not PC as my computer is too lovely to run it well. Because after doing 10+ runs on Hard Horn with 3 tomes and 2 grimoires and getting even worse loot, I decided to do something else!
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Oct 19, 2015 23:36
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Pubbies are awful at playing but so far have been surprisingly nice.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:39
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Yeah I just dropped down to Easy to get my bearings straight and things have been going a lot more smoothly.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:50
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I love the Trueflight bow so loving much right now, but goddamn it just cannot handle rogres. I think half the arrows I shot at one just whipped around its head until it finally died. Or got sick. One of those things happened.
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Oct 20, 2015 00:09
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Brainamp posted:I love the Trueflight bow so loving much right now, but goddamn it just cannot handle rogres. I think half the arrows I shot at one just whipped around its head until it finally died. Or got sick. One of those things happened. The trueflight bow also causes disconnects if used VS rat ogres. Every time an elf joins (which is all of the time) i ask em if they use trueflight, cause after 7 disconnects i aint even bothering with that poo poo.
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Oct 20, 2015 00:19
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Oct 20, 2015 00:25
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Musluk posted:
I just had this too, with 2 loot dice added. It gave me my 5th spare white, so I rolled up a green. 1h sword (no shield) with a 1-3% chance of 5% healing on charged attack.
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Oct 20, 2015 00:28
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Jimbot posted:For Bright Wizard players: what's you preferred staff type and why? The fire bolt staff is pretty fun, with the default being rapid fire and the charged bolt seems pretty powerful. I liked the fireball staff too, that fireball cleared out groups like it was going out of style. Basic fireball staff for Hard and under. Spamming uncharged right click attacks over and over while occasionally venting does a poo poo ton of AoE disruption and damage from a good range. The left click is also solid for picking off small numbers of rats and specials. You're gonna have a very hard time not getting #1 in kills as long as your group is funneling rat swarms into clusters and chokepoints. Beam staff for Nightmare+. The big advantage to this staff is that its AoE shotgun blast does not do friendly fire damage, which is what completely cripples the fireball staff on higher difficulties. I don't really like the right click beam attack and the AoE isn't quite as effective as the fireball due to the range and heat generation, but it still works decently well and the lack of friendly fire is huge. Vargs fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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Oct 20, 2015 00:31
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If you roll the lowest value dice around one in ten rolls will be success less. Come back when you have two loot dice and three tomes and still get nothing  Edit: The beam staffs beam is poo poo, just use it for the amazingly OP shotgun. Sniping specials is someone elses job.
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Oct 20, 2015 00:32
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I highly suggest people run on easy as long as they can stand it and just mash all your white items together. You're guaranteed a win, xp and two items if you gain a level. Nothing more frustrating than spending 45 minutes on a Hard Horn  with tomes and Grims and failing at the last minute for loot that could end up being white anyway.Hard and above should NEVER give white loot.
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Oct 20, 2015 00:36
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I really wish pubbies wouldn't even bother with grims or just do one. Its so frustrating when you can tell its going to be very hard to complete the mission but one guy insists that tomes by themselves aren't worth it.
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Inzombiac posted:I highly suggest people run on easy as long as they can stand it and just mash all your white items together. You're guaranteed a win, xp and two items if you gain a level. Play with goons, succeed on hard 90% of the time, enjoy your avalanche of blue items that would take 25 whites each to craft. With 2 grimoires you are guaranteed to not get a white, and even if you only go for tomes it is very unlikely that you won't get at least a green (and there's no reason not to get all 3 tomes every run).
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Oct 20, 2015 00:41
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Trier posted:why is the poison arrow bow so poo poo. Only has like a third of the ammo of the other bows, and despite making a CLOUD of poison gas, it only ever affects one rat at a time. Let me gas like a dozen rats and I'm a-OK with the low ammo count It staggers the rat you hit and rats within a shortish distance around them, and does damage over time. One or two will kill as many regular rats can fill in the area of the blast. I've had really good luck with them clearing out swarms. I feel like I'm using a different weapon than you guys or something. Mine is blue, maybe that helps?
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Oct 20, 2015 00:44
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Man, they must have done something to something because Hard is now HARD. Our group had two lower level guys including myself, but we still just got bombarded with special after special
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Oct 20, 2015 00:45
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Man, they must have done something to something because Hard is now HARD. Our group had two lower level guys including myself, but we still just got bombarded with special after special When it comes to special spawns the game can sometimes just go "gently caress these guys" and send you a RO, an ambush and a horde at the same time, along with a few specials just to make sure. Thats one of the things im not a fan of, sometimes the game just wont let you win.
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Oct 20, 2015 00:47
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Dezztroy posted:5 Nightmare sewer runs later: 1 blue, 2 greens, 2 whites. Solo? Is that possible?
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Oct 20, 2015 00:59
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Vargs posted:Play with goons, succeed on hard 90% of the time, enjoy your avalanche of blue items that would take 25 whites each to craft. With 2 grimoires you are guaranteed to not get a white, and even if you only go for tomes it is very unlikely that you won't get at least a green (and there's no reason not to get all 3 tomes every run). I'm sure that is true but I play in really off hours.
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Oct 20, 2015 01:07
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I was all excited that I rolled and got an orange hat. Then I put it on my elf and my excitement faded rapidly.
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Oct 20, 2015 01:08
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How can you hit level 15 and not think to pick up healing items and heal yourself? Edit: Is there an elf trinket or weapon or hat that prevents you from doing so or makes you extra stupid or something?
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So I just played for a few hours with a friend and some random people, and we did rather well! Normal was very doable and we even attempted a hard Horn map (which we failed) before we called it a day. I do have a few newbie questions for those who have played this game more than I have: Are tomes random on the maps? Do all the maps have tomes? I've mostly been playing the Witch Hunter, and it feels like I sometimes miss shots that should've hit. Do partymembers bodyblock gunshots? Is it client-based hitdetection or would latency mess it up? When should I be using the "Dodge" (ASD + Space)? Is there a list of what sort of different weapons I can find for the classes? My Wizard friend got a beam-staff and I'm incredibly jealous since I still only got my default pistols. Fun game though! I'm still disoriented when I wade into a melee fight with 3 other partymembers swinging wildly everywhere and more than once I've mistaken the elf for a rat, but 'eh! Hopefully the rest of the maps are also fun. 
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