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Leperflesh posted:How do you not notice a leak big enough to bleed off $2700 of water in one month? That's many swimming pools' full of water, at least. Honestly I'm in favor of simply cutting off residential water after X amount of water is used in a day where X is far higher than typical household use. It would save situations like the aforementioned leaks from being a problem and only really impact people who are excessive consumers of water.
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Dirk the Average posted:Honestly I'm in favor of simply cutting off residential water after X amount of water is used in a day where X is far higher than typical household use. Except that'd require new fancy water meters at every home. Not all communities in California even have water meters at every home yet. And by Communities, I mean 40+% of Sacramento, among other places: http://www.cityofsacramento.org/Utilities/Conservation/Water-Meters
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Trabisnikof posted:Except that'd require new fancy water meters at every home.
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FilthyImp posted:Is that a problem considering we're looking at ultra-wealthy enclaves? Except it is the water utilities that would have to pay for it.
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Oct 21, 2015 00:28
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Water shaming is loving stupid.
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Oct 21, 2015 00:56
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I had a person from the city of Mountain View come to my house because my water usage shot up 300% (~400 dollars) from the previous month. Most likely cause was a slow leak or runny toilet, which sure enough it was. Even showed me how to read the water meter and switch off things until it stopped incrementing. Mountain View will also subsidize redoing your lawn so that it doesn't have grass on it. And then give you a "Brown is the new green" lawn sign so you can shame your neighbors who still have grass. New-style lawns (or just dead grass) is actually catching on here.
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Oct 22, 2015 08:28
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FCKGW posted:Water shaming is loving stupid. In 20 years, from your cracked parched lips: "if only...I had water-shamed...." *cough cough*
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Perhaps the cities and water agencies should handle excessive water consumption and let's not have everyone snitch on their neighbors because they use more water than you.
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There was a pretty good 99% invisible about lawns and lawn shaming. That's my two cents on this topic. Thanks for listening.
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Oct 23, 2015 01:34
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FCKGW posted:Perhaps the cities and water agencies should handle excessive water consumption and let's not have everyone snitch on their neighbors because they use more water than you. But if no one reports them how will the agencies know? Also kill your neighbors and reclaim their water.
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Oct 23, 2015 06:29
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Well, if you start from the premise that the main reason people get lawns is to impress others because they think it looks nice, then lawn shaming is the exact method by which we change the culture to end that. Then, like magic, no more lawns and no more people even wanting lawns. And no more people feeling bad about not being able to water their grass.
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Oct 23, 2015 06:54
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Green looks more pleasant to the eye than brown. You aren't going to change that by shaming people, sorry.
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Oct 23, 2015 07:13
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enraged_camel posted:Green looks more pleasant to the eye than brown. You aren't going to change that by shaming people, sorry. Native landscaping looks more pleasant to the eye than turf lawns. You aren't going to change that by shaming people, sorry.
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Oct 23, 2015 07:15
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Trabisnikof posted:Native landscaping looks more pleasant to the eye than turf lawns. Um... not really? Humans find lush, bright colors appealing. There's a reason tree leaves and flowers blooming in the spring are a pleasant sight for most people.
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enraged_camel posted:Um... not really? Humans find lush, bright colors appealing. There's a reason tree leaves and flowers blooming in the spring are a pleasant sight for most people. You're treating a cultural norm (what looks "lush") as if it is biology. If you develop in a world of bright green grass lawns, then yes, that will look "better" to you than a bunch of flowering sages or whatever. Besides, native landscapes often have more trees and flowers than most st augustine lawns. You're proving my point.
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Trabisnikof posted:You're treating a cultural norm (what looks "lush") Hope this helps.
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enraged_camel posted:url=define:lush vegetation Nope, it really doesn't. 
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enraged_camel posted:Um... not really? Humans find lush, bright colors appealing. There's a reason tree leaves and flowers blooming in the spring are a pleasant sight for most people. What makes you think there are no brightly-colored native plants, or that they don't bloom in spring? I'd rather have a bunch of native plants in my yard than a giant boring rear end lawn that I have to constantly water.
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enraged_camel posted:Green looks more pleasant to the eye than brown. You aren't going to change that by shaming people, sorry. The OC shitbags that defend lawns "because everyone told them to" can esily be manipulated into zeriscaping. 
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Rah! posted:What makes you think there are no brightly-colored native plants, or that they don't bloom in spring? The trick is extending that spring period to the rest of the year.
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computer parts posted:The trick is extending that spring period to the rest of the year. What the gently caress is spring? Hello southern Cal. 
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enraged_camel posted:Um... not really? Humans find lush, bright colors appealing. There's a reason tree leaves and flowers blooming in the spring are a pleasant sight for most people. This is the last place I expected to see  pop up.
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GrumpyDoctor posted:This is the last place I expected to see So you think people like bright green trees and flowers appealing because of cultural conditioning? 
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enraged_camel posted:So you think people like bright green trees and flowers appealing because of cultural conditioning? Yes, actually. I know its shocking to imagine for some people, but what lush means to someone who grew up in Hawaii is different than someone who grew up in South Dakota. Remember you started this by defending lawns over native landscaping, so exactly how does "bright green tree and flowers" do anything but prove my point?
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Trabisnikof posted:Yes, actually. I know its shocking to imagine for some people, but what lush means to someone who grew up in Hawaii is different than someone who grew up in South Dakota. I didn't "defend" lawns. This is what I said: quote:Green looks more pleasant to the eye than brown. You aren't going to change that by shaming people, sorry. The reason people are resistant to native landscaping is because it doesn't appear as lush as a green lawn.
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enraged_camel posted:I didn't "defend" lawns. This is what I said: Good job missing the post you made after that...also, as I keep saying you're using a cultural definition of what "lush" is. To someone used to trees and flowers, green lawns don't look as lush. Trabisnikof posted:Native landscaping looks more pleasant to the eye than turf lawns. You aren't going to change that by shaming people, sorry. enraged_camel posted:Um... not really? Humans find lush, bright colors appealing. There's a reason tree leaves and flowers blooming in the spring are a pleasant sight for most people.
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enraged_camel posted:I didn't "defend" lawns. This is what I said: Go back to the east coast.
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enraged_camel posted:I didn't "defend" lawns. This is what I said: The entire concept of lawns is relatively recent and its origins have a lot more to do with class distinction than with actual aesthetics. People are into lawns rather than native landscaping because it's a cultural tradition they've been told they should be into. It took about a generation for them to catch on for middle-class homes, and it would probably only take that amount of time to get rid of them.
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Trabisnikof posted:Good job missing the post you made after that...also, as I keep saying you're using a cultural definition of what "lush" is. To someone used to trees and flowers, green lawns don't look as lush. Why are fruits and flowers colorful? Because they have evolved to attract various animals (bees, mammals, etc.) and to get eaten by them so that the pollens and seeds spread. This is the exact reason why humans find bright colors appealing. We have evolved to detect and become attracted to them because it helped us survive and thrive in the otherwise barren African savannah back in the day. Native landscaping doesn't look as pleasant because it is designed to fit in to the rest of the environment (which is often times nowhere as green or bright), rather than stick out.
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I think there's a tipping point where people have seen enough pretty xeriscaped yards that they take their prettiness for granted. I'm driving around the suburbs (Alameda de las Pulgas around Menlo Park/RWC/San Carlos/) and seeing almost all lawns either xeriscaped or brown. My seat-of-the-pants is that there are at least 10% xeriscaped now. Our bedroom window overhears many conversations in the next door house -- thanks, ancient zoning with no setbacks -- and I overheard a potential buyer wondering, "Why doesn't anybody water their lawns around here?" Welcome to California, enjoy your drought. Newspaper articles are saying that xeriscaping and plastic-lawn businesses are making money hand over fist and have long waiting lists. Is it definite that there'll be a weed-legalization proposition next fall? I'm asking for a friend. e: "Why are fruits and flowers colorful? Because they have evolved to attract various animals (bees, mammals, etc.) and to get eaten by them so that the pollens and seeds spread." Which would explain why all native vegetation in the Southwest is extinct. Speaking as a gardener, there are tons of unimproved plants that have blooms and seeds that are green, or at most a pale yellow-green. Many (most?) of the garden plants you see have been bred over hundreds of years to improve the blooms. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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enraged_camel posted:Why are fruits and flowers colorful? Because they have evolved to attract various animals (bees, mammals, etc.) and to get eaten by them so that the pollens and seeds spread. If a biological fondness for color was really the reason behind everyone's decision to plant turf grass, then everyone's lawns would be nothing but rows and rows of rosebushes.
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Trabisnikof posted:Yes, actually. I know its shocking to imagine for some people, but what lush means to someone who grew up in Hawaii is different than someone who grew up in South Dakota. I did grow up in Hawaii and one of my favorite things about california is the brown.  They look like suede.
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Ron Jeremy posted:I did grow up in Hawaii and one of my favorite things about california is the brown. California Brown.... ...Jerry Brown.. CONNECT THE DOTS PEOPLE.
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"Humans are genetically evolved to be attracted to something that doesn't exist in nature" --an idiot
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A garden of native california plants can be gorgeous and pretty year round and a lot more attractive to the eye than a lawn. That said, the argument about acculturation is kind of beside the point because basically we can't afford to waste our water on inappropriate landscaping any more so who cares what's more attractive? People should switch to less water-intensive gardening because it's the right thing to do. And then from that standpoint, they can pick whatever form of garden or yard or whatever they prefer, from among the low-water options. It's quite similar to making a decision to own and drive a car that gets better fuel economy. It costs you less and it's better for the environment to boot. It means you shouldn't do a 2-hour daily commute in an SUV getting 18 MPG even if you can afford to and even if humans have evolved to naturally prefer to drive an overpriced luxury truck with offroad capabilities they will never use.
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e_angst posted:If a biological fondness for color was really the reason behind everyone's decision to plant turf grass, then everyone's lawns would be nothing but rows and rows of rosebushes. Somebody's been spying on my front yard again... the lawn strip is 3 feet wide and shrinking. e: And yeah, that's not xeriscaping. The back yard is on a drip system, and I can't afford to replace the old-fashioned sprinkler system in the front, although I've cut back the number of days a week it runs. Next year I'm going to go ahead and install the lower-water-use sprinkler heads that I can get at a reduced price from my county. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:"Humans are genetically evolved to be attracted to something that doesn't exist in nature" --an idiot I hate lawns as much as the next guy, but to claim that greenery and flowers don't exist in nature is loving stupid. Flowers evolved as a signal to insects, but they also signal to other animals (including humans) that an area is fertile. That we've since started breeding plants to exaggerate the features that we like is hardly an argument against the idea that we like them! Cross-cultural studies (in various fields like psychology, landscape design, and art) have shown an innate preference for a savannah-like appearance with blue and green being the preferred colors - that is, most people across the world prefer open grassy areas with clusters of green trees. Browner plants, dense scrub, and desert-like environments are less preferred, even by people raised in such an environment. Lawns may be a culturally specific manifestation of this preference, but the preference exists. That doesn't mean we can't get people to change, to find beauty in other types of landscaping; it just means a bit more effort is required.
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Trabisnikof posted:If only one of the native biomes of California was Oak Savannah or something....
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