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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:If I remember correctly, he advised caution because it was a very dangerous mission and if it went badly, no less than Obama's presidency would be a stake. And additionally, we were doing it without telling the Pakistani government we were doing it. Very good perspective on his part, but it is good how it went off in the end. Did he attack Clinton somehow, I remember Fried Chicken saying he was throwing shade on Hillary a few days ago, was that in relation to this?
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Yeah that would have been the end of Obama's presidency. There's no way he would have recovered from a failed mission like that especially if Osama had escaped and our troops had died.
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As it was they had a helicopter go down...thankfully they recovered from that, but still, it was not a silky-smooth mission. When the word came back with that I bet the situation room was a tad tense.
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Nonsense posted:Very good perspective on his part, but it is good how it went off in the end. Did he attack Clinton somehow, I remember Fried Chicken saying he was throwing shade on Hillary a few days ago, was that in relation to this? He was trying to re-write history to say that she wasn't fully on-board and that he wasn't fully against it. Which contradicted his own and Obama's earlier statements.
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Hollismason posted:Wow that's literally insane. It is basically applying a lot of the old Jewish slurs and conspiracy theories to the Palestinians. Stop and think about how the status quo with Israel has changed in the past 12 months. It has been something no one has foreseen
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Fried Chicken posted:I looked at getting one and doing exactly that. But since they are all 8 cylinders the long run gas cost made them a worse value than the car I got. Cop cars now a days around here are all black (from the front) chargers. Real easy to spot because dodge charger.
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Hillary also told him it was worth skipping the nerdprom if it conflicted with the mission.
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Hulk Krogan posted:He's claiming Hitler only wanted to deport the Jews until those wicked Palestinians convinced him he should kill them all instead. You know, out of all the crazy, scummy stuff I expect Bibi to do and say, I was a bit surprised by this one. Can't wait until we find out from him that Palestinians also caused the Black Death, faked the moon landing, and are the source of the global warming crisis.
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Fried Chicken posted:It is basically applying a lot of the old Jewish slurs and conspiracy theories to the Palestinians. I haven't been paying attention to closely to the Israeli / Palestinian conflict because it sets off my depression.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
You could also tell lejackel to gently caress off and not post in this forum again FYI.
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Hollismason posted:I haven't been paying attention to closely to the Israeli / Palestinian conflict because it sets off my depression. Same here, what facts on the ground have changed?
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euphronius posted:2001 Aumf definitely covered that operation. Still, "Well it didn't violate our laws." doesn't buy much sympathy after an international incident involving shooting up the wrong house.
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Hollismason posted:Yeah that would have been the end of Obama's presidency. There's no way he would have recovered from a failed mission like that especially if Osama had escaped and our troops had died. Asnmuch as we fetishist special forces operations people, the operations can and often have gone spectacularly badly. The attempt to rescue the Iranian hostages is one example, the lone survivor book and movie is another. Nine seals died to secure noriegas plane in Panama to prevent his escape. 4 died in Grenada trying to get to shore after jumping out of a plane That everything went so smoothly makes me smooth out my tinfoil and agree with Seymore hersh's story that bin Laden was served up to the Americans by the isi.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Hillary also told him it was worth skipping the nerdprom if it conflicted with the mission. That evening was when Obama impressed me with what a cool customer he was. Cracking jokes at the Correspondent's Dinner when a secret mission to kill OBL was on at just that very moment and men's lives and his presidency hung in the balance. Whew.
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Zeroisanumber posted:That evening was when Obama impressed me with what a cool customer he was. Cracking jokes at the Correspondent's Dinner when a secret mission to kill OBL was on at just that very moment and men's lives and his presidency hung in the balance. Whew. Now watch this drive.
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Still, "Well it didn't violate our laws." doesn't buy much sympathy after an international incident involving shooting up the wrong house. Really, what would have damned the Obama administration is the enemies they've made in the intelligence community. You'd bet that had we not killed Osama and Americans had died, every conservative source would be leaking like a sieve that everyone told Obama to do it Better, Stronger, Righter, and he refused and Got Our Boys Killed for Nothing. Benghazi is a great example, where randos out of nowhere came forward with "secret intel" that really, Clinton could have saved everyone using Secret Spy poo poo, but she didn't because CANT_TRUST_HILLARY. It would have been 100x worse if it had been the Osama raid.
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Mitt Romney posted:Additionally, in 2007 at one of the debates Obama was the only candidate on stage that said he would go into Pakistan unilaterally to get Bin Laden. Biden was his fiercest critic at that debate. Obama was also heavily criticized in the press for his statement. Then he proceeded to do just that in 2011 and suddenly all of the critics are silent / want to take credit. Here would be that moment from the debates, featuring Hillary and Dodd's take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CWsAaeslOI
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Still, "Well it didn't violate our laws." doesn't buy much sympathy after an international incident involving shooting up the wrong house. It did violate our laws though as it was against the Un charter.
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euphronius posted:I don't know how that explains you know the other 6 million people who were murdered along with the 6 million Jews. Eh you know how it goes, in for a penny in for a pound
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Hollismason posted:Wow that's literally insane. Fried Chicken posted:It is basically applying a lot of the old Jewish slurs and conspiracy theories to the Palestinians. Worth a read about the Rightward swing that Israel's been in over the past 20 years
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euphronius posted:It did violate our laws though as it was against the Un charter. Even if it's not true, it's still a better bet than "We have plenty of laws that didn't violate"
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Zeroisanumber posted:That evening was when Obama impressed me with what a cool customer he was. Cracking jokes at the Correspondent's Dinner when a secret mission to kill OBL was on at just that very moment and men's lives and his presidency hung in the balance. Whew. And managing to preempt The Apprentice, to boot. The more conspiratorially minded would think Obama planned it that way as part of a revenge scheme against Trump due to the birth certificate spat that Trump had started on twitter earlier that week...
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Hulk Krogan posted:He's claiming Hitler only wanted to deport the Jews until those wicked Palestinians convinced him he should kill them all instead. It's especially hosed up when you consider that Bibi and quite a few others in the Israeli government would be completely ok with a Final Solution for the Palestine Problem. Like the only thing that's kept the Palestinians from being exterminated down to the last person is that even the US would turn on Israel if they did so (directly). Bibi is unironically an Israeli Nazi and I really hate the fact that nomatter who gets elected next year they're going to be chummy as hell with him compared to Obama.
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So CIA director John Brennan's personal email got hacked by a teenage stoner. He basically got phished by proxy, the kid posed as a Verizon worker, got someone else to give him personal information about Brennan, and used that to reset the password on the AOL account. The contents were given to wikileaks, who is posting them now Nothing spectacular so far (it is all from 07-08), but still
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If anyone thought Ryan had a chance in hell the Freedom Caucus officially has 9 members saying no to Ryan's demands which means unless they change their mind (lol) or Ryan want's to get in the middle of a shitshow and back off his demands the Ryan nomination is DOA.
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Fried Chicken posted:So CIA director John Brennan's personal email got hacked by a teenage stoner. He basically got phished by proxy, the kid posed as a Verizon worker, got someone else to give him personal information about Brennan, and used that to reset the password on the AOL account. The contents were given to wikileaks, who is posting them now John Brennan was using an AOL account in tyol 2007?
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Evil Fluffy posted:It's especially hosed up when you consider that Bibi and quite a few others in the Israeli government would be completely ok with a Final Solution for the Palestine Problem. Like the only thing that's kept the Palestinians from being exterminated down to the last person is that even the US would turn on Israel if they did so (directly). Reminder that a Times of Israel blogger posted an article entitled "When Genocide is Permissible" during the last round of Gazan fighting last summer, which to its credit that news organization quickly pulled and shortly after banned the author.
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Well it's spectacular that he was storing sensitive information on a loving AOL account. If he were smart he'd have a private email server. We ought to pass a law that high level officials must have private email servers in their house.
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Fried Chicken posted:So CIA director John Brennan's personal email got hacked by a teenage stoner. He basically got phished by proxy, the kid posed as a Verizon worker, got someone else to give him personal information about Brennan, and used that to reset the password on the AOL account. The contents were given to wikileaks, who is posting them now Sounds like Verizon really shat the bed on this one in terms of giving info about accounts to people with no right to be requesting it.
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Ron Jeremy posted:John Brennan was using an AOL account in tyol 2007? If you had asked me 'where do I find the CIA director's email', I would not have answered AOL in a hundred guesses. Maybe he was on to something?
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Three Olives posted:If anyone thought Ryan had a chance in hell the Freedom Caucus officially has 9 members saying no to Ryan's demands which means unless they change their mind (lol) or Ryan want's to get in the middle of a shitshow and back off his demands the Ryan nomination is DOA. Man this is some goddamn Tarantino bullshit.
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I think Ryan knew they would say no and did it this way to save face and make them look bad.
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Three Olives posted:If anyone thought Ryan had a chance in hell the Freedom Caucus officially has 9 members saying no to Ryan's demands which means unless they change their mind (lol) or Ryan want's to get in the middle of a shitshow and back off his demands the Ryan nomination is DOA. John Bohner is gonna be speaker forever
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greatn posted:Well it's spectacular that he was storing sensitive information on a loving AOL account. From what I can tell there's very little on there from since he became director. The most sensitive thing was his own background check form...something hackers already stole from OPM lol.
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euphronius posted:I think Ryan knew they would say no and did it this way to save face and make them look bad. I think Ryan knows he's not going to get anywhere in Presidential politics and that being Speaker is the most power he'll ever get. I think he desperately wants to be speaker and he also desperately likes being begged to do so. I suspect he'll slowly decrease his demands and accept whatever he can in order to become speaker.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Like Hitler, Bibi is 1/4th the race he hates.
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Ashcans posted:If you had asked me 'where do I find the CIA director's email', I would not have answered AOL in a hundred guesses. Maybe he was on to something? Security through obscurity at its finest.
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Mr Hootington posted:I wouldn't be surprised if Like Hitler, Bibi is 1/4th the race he hates. Human?
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Ashcans posted:If you had asked me 'where do I find the CIA director's email', I would not have answered AOL in a hundred guesses. Maybe he was on to something? He's 60 years old, I'd like to think someone with that knowledge would have gotten it within 5 guesses.
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