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seiferguy posted:Edit: Red Mages were bad classes in almost every FF anyways so they shouldn't be a class in 14 to begin with. Truth. People just liked the hat.
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Failboattootoot posted:I agree with the last sentence the most. That's an easy class to make but then you'll run into the same issue people are having with PLD now. Clemency is a cool spell but is rarely used because a tank should never need to heal. It offers no good advantage over other classes. Edit: drat people agree that Red Mage was a bad class. I was hoping to fight someone over it!
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Oct 22, 2015 02:34
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seiferguy posted:That's an easy class to make but then you'll run into the same issue people are having with PLD now. Clemency is a cool spell but is rarely used because a tank should never need to heal. It offers no good advantage over other classes. Fighting over it has become mainstream, thus agreeing that it is bad has become the new clique standard. Although it was pretty cool in 5. Ciaphas posted:flying magitek armor with the ff6 music
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seiferguy posted:That's an easy class to make but then you'll run into the same issue people are having with PLD now. Clemency is a cool spell but is rarely used because a tank should never need to heal. It offers no good advantage over other classes. The heals would be strictly there for tradition's sake. It doesn't really matter if the heal spells are worth a poo poo as long as they were competitive with bards and machinists in damage and support ability. Everything else is just fluff.
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I still hope that 4.0's tank is Dancer and it's an agility (not evasion) tank. Red Mage could also be a healer with support abilities, kind of like AST. Also it'd make sense if they do what I have my money on in the new job betting pool, Dancer/RDM/Samuari, where Samurai would be a dps.
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Make the Red Mage heals HoTs or auras and bam, it becomes easy to fit them in. I'm convinced that Red Mage would work best as a Tank. 1. We have enough DPS as is, and a Healer wouldn't stand out as much since Healing in FFXIV is already damage heavy. 2. A niche of "Support Tank" in the same way Bard and Machinist are "Support DPS" is there and waiting to be filled. 3. A Mage Tank would be awesome.
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Keep in mind I am brand new, but how is Shiva not being vulnerable to fire magic a good thing and how could that not be balanced? Does she also not health herself with ice magic? Building an encounter with the idea of fire magic being a part of it somehow isn't necessarily a bad thing though it does create a class demand.
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Dr Pepper posted:3. A Mage Tank would be awesome. Just do a third ACN job that has a tank pet with a taunt. 
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On3moresoul posted:isn't necessarily a bad thing though it does create a class demand. That's the flawed part of your statement. Not everyone likes BLM or has it leveled
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On3moresoul posted:Keep in mind I am brand new, but how is Shiva not being vulnerable to fire magic a good thing and how could that not be balanced? Does she also not health herself with ice magic? Building an encounter with the idea of fire magic being a part of it somehow isn't necessarily a bad thing though it does create a class demand.
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Also, isn't the gimmick of BLM that it moves between fire and ice? So there would be a phase of your rotation where you'd do damage and then a phase where you'd end up healing Shiva before switching back to the damage phase.
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hobbesmaster posted:Just do a third ACN job that has a tank pet with a taunt. I kind of wish they might actually do this, along with a new tanking class so there's something to level in an expansion, but it will never happen  Maybe they could add it in like 3.3 or something like Ninja 
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With all these new flying mount options I hope they put in a proper flying mount roulette option (or just have it only get flying mounts if in a flight enabled zone). Stoked about flying bomb chairs and Magitek though.
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Dr Pepper posted:3. A Mage Tank would be awesome. Drk is already in the game
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If bears do not fly with 3.1 there will be blood. 
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MadFriarAvelyn posted:If bears do not fly with 3.1 there will be blood. I want flying adamantoises at some point. Have them spin really fast like the minions do.
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Tortolia posted:I want flying adamantoises at some point. Have them spin really fast like the minions do. I too am a friend of Gamera
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Dancer totally could be a block tank. Use that long sash-ribbon to block and deflect attacks.hobbesmaster posted:Just do a third ACN job that has a tank pet with a taunt. Druids were horrible for WoW, let's not repeat that debacle.
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ActionZero posted:The only DPS in the game that uses any elemental attacks is BLM, and they don't have variety in what elements they use to attack. If you have elemental resistance have a big effect then you simply make some encounters where BLM is the only choice (if they're weak to fire), some where BLM is completely useless (if they're strong to fire) and all others where there's no real difference. WHM's are the only other class that rely heavily on aspected damage as BLM. Ultimately everyone figured out that having elemental resistances/weaknesses in an online game where you want classes to have parity with each other just gives you more headaches than it's worth.
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I'm an ice mage!
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EponymousMrYar posted:Mind for self-heal power. (Even though they're based off of attack power...) kafziel posted:... Paladins get something out of Dex? What, does it impact Blocks? seiferguy posted:Maybe one day we'll get an evasion tank class and DEX will be useful for that. They removed DEX and STR impacting parry and block rates.
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Hunter Noventa posted:Never using anything but the Magitek Armor mount again. same but the bomb chair
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On3moresoul posted:Keep in mind I am brand new, but how is Shiva not being vulnerable to fire magic a good thing and how could that not be balanced? Does she also not health herself with ice magic? Building an encounter with the idea of fire magic being a part of it somehow isn't necessarily a bad thing though it does create a class demand. Do you remember Molten Core and Blackwing Lair from Vanilla WoW, and how an entire subclass was basically ostracized from the end game? That was bad.
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Kwyndig posted:Flying loving everything Given that the wedding rings apparently don't work in zones where you don't have flying (I'm not 100% clear on the details since I never gay catgirl married anyone), they apparently already thought of that at least once, so I'm going to bet that you won't be able to ride along or at least fly along if you don't have flying. Edit: I suppose I should mention for anyone who is unaware, the wedding ring lets you teleport to where your partner is. Clearly that would break exploration if your partner has flying in a zone where you don't, so they just don't work in that case. I think it takes you to the nearest aetheryte instead but I'm not sure.
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Kuvo posted:same but the bomb chair same but ADS yoship, please give ADS unique music
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On3moresoul posted:Keep in mind I am brand new, but how is Shiva not being vulnerable to fire magic a good thing and how could that not be balanced? Does she also not health herself with ice magic? Building an encounter with the idea of fire magic being a part of it somehow isn't necessarily a bad thing though it does create a class demand. Only one job provides a significant amount of fire damage (BLM) and the way BLM spells interact with one another means that if a BLM can't cast both fire and ice spells they are going to do less damage than literally everybody else. The issue is that none of the jobs chooses what damage type they do, because the developers figured that having Fire spells actually play a different role than Ice spells was more interesting than just having two "Cost X MP for Y damage" spells that are just different flavors like most FF games. Since nobody can choose what damage type they do (and BLM in particular has to do two or their performance is terrible), having any part of an encounter buff or penalize you for anything more granular than "physical damage" or "magical damage" means that a bunch of DPS will get tossed for that encounter. Niton posted:same but ADS The ADS music is just someone reading the Testimonial key item text from FFXI because you did enough frontlines to win 200 times.
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I'm beginning to remember why I originally stopped leveling MCH at 42. This feels oddly unsatisfying. Maybe it's the lack of graphics on e.g. Wildfire detonating or something 
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SirPhoebos posted:Do you remember Molten Core and Blackwing Lair from Vanilla WoW, and how an entire subclass was basically ostracized from the end game? That subclass punched everyone in the dick for the 2 raids following those two though.
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Klades posted:The ADS music is just someone reading the Testimonial key item text from FFXI because you did enough frontlines to win 200 times. It amazes me anyone has that mount at all. At my win rate, if I were to play a PVP match every day (fat chance given the queue times), it would take me nearly 5 years to get 200 wins.
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You could maybe pull off an elemental gimmick if you tuned it so that a modified BLM rotation would do a normal amount of damage (for example, make the boss heal from fire and take extra damage from ice so BLMs just spam B3/B4 at it). The problem is that it'd still be a gimmick that makes one class's life harder and does absolutely nothing to anyone else... and spamming B3/B4/T3 all day would get rid of the actual challenging bit of playing BLM.
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http://gamerescape.com/2015/10/22/ffxiv-patch-3-1-preview-dungeons-and-flying-mounts/ I can't wait to spend the next four months in these new dungeons, Amdapor Keep hard and Alexander floor 3.
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I'm wondering what they are thinking in terms of item level requirements for these new things. Void Ark is i175, dungeons at i170. Getting to i170 is no meager task right now, so hopefully they make that easier than mashing your head against fractal and neverreap and hunts forever yoshida slowly choking the casual players
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event is lame but the rewards are cool ilifinicus posted:I'm wondering what they are thinking in terms of item level requirements for these new things. Void Ark is i175, dungeons at i170. Getting to i170 is no meager task right now, so hopefully they make that easier than mashing your head against fractal and neverreap and hunts forever yea it's a pretty big jump from 145 (current experts) to 170+. hell i know some people (like me!) didn't even have the ilvl to do the last story dungeon when they get there because the msq like doesn't give out accessories at all. it's kinda bs, especially because things like void ark are specifically meant to catch people up i also wonder if that means they're gonna dump neverfracal and the fractal continuingtonotgetthisinroulette out of the expert roulette. that'd be pretty lame so it's probably exactly what se will do
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I hope they give the Golden Magitek Armor the cannon emotes from the regular version along with flying.
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I don't ever want to do fractal or neverreap ever again so dumping them out of the expert pool would not be lame
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I feel really bad for the people that still need to do Ultros. Got it for Trials roulette yesterday and people started leaving almost immediately. Luckily we filled back up fairly quickly and managed to get through it but if there were any new people there they'd have been totally screwed over. It's also poo poo like this why I never choose duty in progress when doing trials. Too many times i've come into an empty steps/ultros.
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