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The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Feudalism is what libertarians actually want.

As is well known in this very thread.

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The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Terrible Opinions posted:

Compared to Cromwell sure, but everything is good compared to Cromwell. I mean I'm sure this guy is just praising monarchy in general rather than specifically citing the Restoration as good because of the preceding civil war though.

This is a woman actually, but otherwise yeah.

# ? Oct 22, 2015 22:10

Patrick Spens: Jul 21, 2006; "Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"; Pillbug

Night10194 posted:

If they really understood them they wouldn't be able to lionize them. It's the historical equivalent of 'never meet your heroes'.

Yeah, but this isn't like finding out your favourite singer is also a rapist, this is like declaring your favourite singer is Rebecca Black.

ikanreed posted:

Oh, man, as much as I've read this thread, I never realized how little window dressing they put on the "I would forbid opinions that differ from my own" core belief. I always thought that was something they danced around, and tacitly ignored, rather than declaring outright.

It's not that, its that they think twitter mobs are exactly as much violation of free speech as the government forbidding you from worshipping within five miles of any town.

# ? Oct 22, 2015 22:36

Thinky Whale: Aug 2, 2012; All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Fry.

divabot posted:

Jim is reviewing "female-oriented" porn. AUGH MY EYES and that's for a text-only post

Oh well, he used his intuition about women, that couldn't possibly lead to problems.

What he's actually watching is cuckold porn, under the impression that it's for women, rather than for people like himself.

That's amazing.

"I'm going to the internet to seek out the weirdest depths of the female sexual id!"

*walks past piles of Supernatural dog dick porn to get to the one kink no woman on the planet has ever given a poo poo about*

# ? Oct 22, 2015 22:55

Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

Cingulate posted:

So just to make the obvious explicit: this is trying to retroactively paint Monarchy as a Libertarian paradise.

Libertarianism has nothing to do with genuine freedom, it's about protecting private hierarchies and authority. A despotic monarchy is the ultimate private authority--a man who owns a country and all the people in it. Whatever rights you have are irrelevant next to the king's right to own you and use you as he pleases.

# ? Oct 22, 2015 23:20

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

divabot posted:

Jim is reviewing "female-oriented" porn.
...The Cinderella fantasy, where a rich and powerful male gives a girl a makeover, and she looks like princess, and thus becomes a princess, as for example the movie �Pretty Woman� is undoubtedly a popular romance story. But it is not what they beat themselves off on. When they are beating themselves off, the story is more along the lines that the pimp rips her clothes off and makes her a whore, than that the rich guy gives her nice clothes and makes her a princess.
...

Went to check if this was somehow originally posted in 2004, before 50 Shades of Grey and Twilight, where there literally is a rich (young, white) guy who gives the woman clothes, appeared, but no, it's from 2015.

I mean, I'd never dare make vast sweeping generalisations about female sexuality as "women like x in porn", but if there is one salient example of female porn, it's about young rich white guys. (The only dark-ish guy in 50 Shades of Grey is a Bad Rapist who gets beaten up by Good White Rapist.)

# ? Oct 22, 2015 23:23

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Woolie Wool posted:

Libertarianism has nothing to do with genuine freedom, it's about protecting private hierarchies and authority. A despotic monarchy is the ultimate private authority--a man who owns a country and all the people in it. Whatever rights you have are irrelevant next to the king's right to own you and use you as he pleases.

The philosophy of libertarianism - not Ayn Rand, but e.g. Nozick, Hayek, whatever - is a direct and radical consequence of classical liberalism, and very much about freedom in at least one philosophically justifiable sense.

Not that I think it's shown itself to lead to good outcomes wrt. freedom in any way whatsoever, but to deny that its foundational texts are liberal in intent and context is just a display of ignorance.

# ? Oct 22, 2015 23:26

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

I think Ayn Rand would have liked 50 Shades.

# ? Oct 22, 2015 23:27

neonnoodle: Mar 20, 2008; by exmarx

If she were alive today she'd have written it.

# ? Oct 22, 2015 23:34

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

divabot posted:

Jim is reviewing "female-oriented" porn. AUGH MY EYES and that's for a text-only post

Oh well, he used his intuition about women, that couldn't possibly lead to problems.

What he's actually watching is cuckold porn, under the impression that it's for women, rather than for people like himself.

quote:

Dave says:
October 22, 2015 at 5:22 pm
Bondage appeals to women�s natural laziness. If you�re chained to a bed, someone else has to cook dinner and wash the dishes.

Dave have you ever even seen a porn video before?

# ? Oct 22, 2015 23:42

ducttape: Mar 1, 2008

Cingulate posted:

I think Ayn Rand would have liked 50 Shades.

neonnoodle posted:

If she were alive today she'd have written it.

Nonsense, 50 Shades was made into a commercially successful movie

# ? Oct 22, 2015 23:55

ArchangeI: Jul 15, 2010

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Dave have you ever even seen a porn video before?

That was sarcasm, I am almost certain.

No, you can't convince me otherwise.

# ? Oct 22, 2015 23:59

El Estrago Bonito: Dec 17, 2010; Scout Finch Bitch

Cingulate posted:

Went to check if this was somehow originally posted in 2004, before 50 Shades of Grey and Twilight, where there literally is a rich (young, white) guy who gives the woman clothes, appeared, but no, it's from 2015.

I mean, I'd never dare make vast sweeping generalisations about female sexuality as "women like x in porn", but if there is one salient example of female porn, it's about young rich white guys. (The only dark-ish guy in 50 Shades of Grey is a Bad Rapist who gets beaten up by Good White Rapist.)

Hey hey hey, sometimes they are very lightly complexioned Sheikhs, or suspiciously pale Native American chiefs.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 00:09

Pope Guilty: Nov 6, 2006; The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Libertarianism is better called proprietarianism, since it is fundamentally the deification of liberal property.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 01:23

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

El Estrago Bonito posted:

Hey hey hey, sometimes they are very lightly complexioned Sheikhs, or suspiciously pale Native American chiefs.

Not in 50 Shades or Twilight, which is what I was talking about. In fact, Edward is unnaturally pale.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 01:28

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Hey, the Native American werewolf gets to gently caress their freakish mutant kid.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 01:30

neonnoodle: Mar 20, 2008; by exmarx

ducttape posted:

Nonsense, 50 Shades was made into a commercially successful movie

HIYO

# ? Oct 23, 2015 02:42

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

I imagine the only difference is that it is far more culturally acceptable for women to fantasize about being the submissive party in a relationship vs. men.

As for the libertarians, yeah I have heard many of them say without irony that a king is better because a king won't vote himself welfare payments and will respect liberty. I would actually say that history tends to disprove this, and if it shows anything, it is that having multiple competing centers of power in a society tends to work better than having one big central one.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 04:57

El Estrago Bonito: Dec 17, 2010; Scout Finch Bitch

Cingulate posted:

Not in 50 Shades or Twilight, which is what I was talking about. In fact, Edward is unnaturally pale.

I was just saying this has been going on for decades and decades, long before Twilight was a twinkle in a frumpy Mormon's eye. Harlequin romance novels (which is, if your going to make stereotypes about lady porn the best source for those stereotypes) are full of men from other cultures that are portrayed as white dudes to make them less threatening. Usually native american warriors or Arabic sheikhs for some reason, those are the two big ones but I'm sure there are many others.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 07:19

Twerkteam Pizza: Sep 26, 2015; Grimey Drawer

Not to go off subject, but I have some serious questions about libertarians:

Do a majority of self-named libertarians genuinely believe that you can just put people's political ideas into categories?
Like, if someone calls themselves a liberal do libertarians think that said someone is defined by a set of traits?
Is there any reason to engage a libertarian in political debate, in real life or on the information stupid highway?
Does any libertarian genuinely believe that corporations will be nicer if we just get rid of that pesky government?
Are (most) libertarians so reactionary because they are angry, or because they need to be special and better than everyone else (aka, "if yadda yadda were how society worked I would be John Galt!")

any answers to a single one of these questions would be cool

Twerkteam Pizza has a new favorite as of 08:31 on Oct 23, 2015

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sub supau: Aug 28, 2007

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

Not to go off subject, but I have some serious questions about libertarians:

Yes, No, Yes, Yes

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Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

Not to go off subject, but I have some serious questions about libertarians:

Do a majority of self-named libertarians genuinely believe that you can just put people's political ideas into categories?
Like, if someone calls themselves a liberal do libertarians think that said someone is defined by a set of traits?

Is there any reason to engage a libertarian in political debate, in real life or on the information stupid highway?

Does any libertarian genuinely believe that corporations will be nicer if we just get rid of that pesky government?

Are (most) libertarians so reactionary because they are angry, or because they need to be special and better than everyone else (aka, "if yadda yadda were how society worked I would be John Galt!")

any answers to a single one of these questions would be cool

1. No, words literally don't exist, we cannot name things.
2. Not for you, probably.
3. Nicer?
4. I think God just made them bad. That is also why they need punishment, or at least reeducation. In camps.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 10:54

Twerkteam Pizza: Sep 26, 2015; Grimey Drawer

TetsuoTW posted:

Yes, No, Yes, Yes

thanks.

Cingulate posted:

1. No, words literally don't exist, we cannot name things.
2. Not for you, probably.
3. Nicer?
4. I think God just made them bad. That is also why they need punishment, or at least reeducation. In camps.

Also thanks

# ? Oct 23, 2015 11:52

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

Not to go off subject, but I have some serious questions about libertarians:

Do a majority of self-named libertarians genuinely believe that you can just put people's political ideas into categories?
Like, if someone calls themselves a liberal do libertarians think that said someone is defined by a set of traits?

Is there any reason to engage a libertarian in political debate, in real life or on the information stupid highway?

Does any libertarian genuinely believe that corporations will be nicer if we just get rid of that pesky government?

Are (most) libertarians so reactionary because they are angry, or because they need to be special and better than everyone else (aka, "if yadda yadda were how society worked I would be John Galt!")

any answers to a single one of these questions would be cool

There was a social psychology article a while ago that found that libertarians had far lower empathy for other people and far less concern for fairness. They were also far more likely to accurately predict that they had lower empathy and less concern for fairness.

Hopefully this is the first step in medicalizing libertarianism so that a cure may be found.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 12:07

Twerkteam Pizza: Sep 26, 2015; Grimey Drawer

Jack Gladney posted:

There was a social psychology article a while ago that found that libertarians had far lower empathy for other people and far less concern for fairness. They were also far more likely to accurately predict that they had lower empathy and less concern for fairness.

Hopefully this is the first step in medicalizing libertarianism so that a cure may be found.

I only have access to my university library until August, please pm me if you know where to find said article.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 12:12

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

I only have access to my university library until August, please pm me if you know where to find said article.

Originally posted in this very thread (open access too, I think):

https://webfiles.uci.edu/phditto/peterditto/Publications/Iyer%2520et%2520al%25202012.pdf?uniq=-5wjp24

Link is dead. The researcher's name is Peter Ditto. I'm phone posting, but will try to remember to dig it up later.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 12:28

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin: Jul 19, 2000; Oven Wrangler

PLoS One, so it's open-access: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0042366

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Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Jack Gladney posted:

There was a social psychology article a while ago that found that libertarians had far lower empathy for other people and far less concern for fairness. They were also far more likely to accurately predict that they had lower empathy and less concern for fairness.

Hopefully this is the first step in medicalizing libertarianism so that a cure may be found.

Not perhaps this?
It's PLoS, so don't worry about losing library access.

Another interpretation of this study is libertarians rely more on reason than emotions btw

e:f,b

Jack Gladney posted:

Hopefully this is the first step in medicalizing libertarianism so that a cure may be found.

Great idea, maybe Ann Coulter's ghostwriter could help you flesh it out.

Cingulate has a new favorite as of 13:17 on Oct 23, 2015

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The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Speaking of science, let's learn how to be an IQ obsessed helicopter parent http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/mhk/experiences_in_applying_the_biodeterminists_guide/

# ? Oct 23, 2015 14:48

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Cingulate posted:

Not perhaps this?
It's PLoS, so don't worry about losing library access.

Another interpretation of this study is libertarians rely more on reason than emotions btw

e:f,b
Great idea, maybe Ann Coulter's ghostwriter could help you flesh it out.

Emotions are reasoned ergo libertarians suffer from brain damage. Ban the fedora. Open the camps.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 15:09

Twerkteam Pizza: Sep 26, 2015; Grimey Drawer

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Speaking of science, let's learn how to be an IQ obsessed helicopter parent http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/mhk/experiences_in_applying_the_biodeterminists_guide/

...isn't biodeterminism kind of a modern day fallacy?

# ? Oct 23, 2015 15:21

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

...isn't biodeterminism kind of a modern day fallacy?

Yes but it's such a convenient thing to base your assumptions about the world on, like some kind of sciencey just world fallacy.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 15:24

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

...isn't biodeterminism kind of a modern day fallacy?

Don't know what exactly you mean by that, but nobody in the field denies almost all aspects of personality and cognitive capacity have heritabilities somewhere between moderate to very strong.

On the other hand, so far almost no clear genetic or even neuroanatomic correlates of anything have been found.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 16:07

Munin: Nov 14, 2004

Cingulate posted:

The philosophy of libertarianism - not Ayn Rand, but e.g. Nozick, Hayek, whatever - is a direct and radical consequence of classical liberalism, and very much about freedom in at least one philosophically justifiable sense.

Not that I think it's shown itself to lead to good outcomes wrt. freedom in any way whatsoever, but to deny that its foundational texts are liberal in intent and context is just a display of ignorance.

At this point it's not much different from arguing that the Soviet Union wasn't really true to communist philosophy. It would be correct but also rather futile.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 16:13

Merdifex: May 13, 2015; by Shine

Actually, Mass Effect 3 is bad because of Cultural Marxism. :colbert:

http://atavisionary.com/how-cultural-marxism-ruined-the-mass-effect-franchise/

# ? Oct 23, 2015 16:22

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

...isn't biodeterminism kind of a modern day fallacy?

Yes, but it's not a simple one to explain the flaws of. Because it is true that in aggregate, people with higher IQs are better off in life. But that doesn't necessarily imply an innate superiority as many people think it does.

Biology does affect us in profound ways, and many people drive off that cliff of it having no influence to counter the notion that it governs our entire life.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 16:25

ArchangeI: Jul 15, 2010

Cingulate posted:

Don't know what exactly you mean by that, but nobody in the field denies almost all aspects of personality and cognitive capacity have heritabilities somewhere between moderate to very strong.

On the other hand, so far almost no clear genetic or even neuroanatomic correlates of anything have been found.

So everyone believes it without any proof? Personality, at least, would seem to me to be far more influenced by surrounding culture. I'm probably missing something, but what you said reads as "Arabs can't democracy and never will" and/or "Blacks are just stupid and violent and will never improve".

# ? Oct 23, 2015 16:30

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

IQ correlates with having a good life in such a way that it it is in some ways (all ways?) an artifact of having good health, a good education, and good opportunities. There is no nature and no nurture, but just endless byzantine interactions between the two.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 16:30

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin: Jul 19, 2000; Oven Wrangler

Merdifex posted:

Actually, Mass Effect 3 is bad because of Cultural Marxism.

http://atavisionary.com/how-cultural-marxism-ruined-the-mass-effect-franchise/

This is amazing. The author of this actually uses space racist slurs in bitching about the romance options ("Sorry, I have no romantic interest in a tentacle head"). The post only really talks about gender issues and how unrealistic it is that a lesbian would beat a man at chess, but I'm guessing he's just salty that Cerberus were villains in the third game rather than the pure, virtuous Nordic spacemans he'd fooled himself into thinking they were.

Also lends some credence to my theory that Aurini's fake cigarette smoking and whiskey is basically lovely Illusive Man cosplay.

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DStecks: Feb 6, 2012

Merdifex posted:

Actually, Mass Effect 3 is bad because of Cultural Marxism.

http://atavisionary.com/how-cultural-marxism-ruined-the-mass-effect-franchise/

Yeah, the romance stuff was added for the women playing the game, loving sure.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 16:34

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