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Paracetamol posted:I think the idea is that the overall benefit (reduced CO2 emissions, general health benefits) of getting more people to cycle outweighs the cost of care from increased numbers of TBIs from cycling accidents. What if you spent 15 minutes doing your hair, should you still wear a helmet then? Seems to me looking good should come before surviving till the end of the day / week / month. edit: hairmet snype Birb Katter fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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5th of December is when we get our new Hockey, what an exciting time to be alive.
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tithin posted:Who did you piss off with that post? bike helmets saved my life on two occasions maybe more as I was an avid junior bmx rider.
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Birb Katter posted:What if you spent 15 minutes doing your hair, should you still wear a helmet then? Seems to me looking good should come before surviving till the end of the day / week / month. Cycling works in cities like Copenhagen because it's the cheapest, quickest and most convenient way to get around. You can call people whiners or whatever, but the reality is that for a lot of people a helmet is a huge inconvenience and a barrier to cycling. When riding an upright style bike, at slow speeds, on proper infrastructure, the risk is pretty minimal. Again I'm going to use the Copenhagen example, where everyone rides a bike and manages to not die. It's incredibly safe, and the roads get safer each time a car is replaced with a bike. Australia is one of the fattest and most carbon polluting countries in the entire world.
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Lid posted:http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...6-1227581620193 solution : stop listening to Andrew Bolt and, like Darren Hinch, he will eventually lose his media spot.
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Mad Katter posted:Cycling works in cities like Copenhagen because it's the cheapest, quickest and most convenient way to get around. You can call people whiners or whatever, but the reality is that for a lot of people a helmet is a huge inconvenience and a barrier to cycling. it also has terrible urban sprawl and some of the longest average commutes in the southern hemisphere. if it takes me 40 mins to drive to work via freeways, im not going to ride a bicycle.
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If people who could ride to work did, maybe it wouldn't take you 40 minutes to drive.
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Do you all ride a bike wearing a diving bell or something? As someone who does ride to work three days a week, why are you finding having a helmet such an inconvenience?
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Kommando posted:it also has terrible urban sprawl and some of the longest average commutes in the southern hemisphere. if it takes me 40 mins to drive to work via freeways, im not going to ride a bicycle. Nobody is arguing that everyone should be forced to commute to work on a bike. If more people in the inner suburbs commute on a bike though, things get less congested on the roads for long distance commuters, and tradespeople who need to carry tools and equipment etc. Bicycle infrastructure can be integrated into the public transport network too, making it easier to ride to the local train station and lock up your bike there. There's also the possibility to replace cars and taxis for short trips via bike share schemes like they have in New York, Paris, and Montreal. Something which is really hard to do with mandatory helmet laws. Scrapping mandatory helmet laws and investing a little in cycling infrastructure is taking gently caress all away from motorists and people who rely on their cars. I'm not sure why they always get so defensive about it.
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open24hours posted:If people who could ride to work did, maybe it wouldn't take you 40 minutes to drive. It takes me 35 minutes to drive to work going 100 the whole way with no traffic normally so I don't think anyone else riding a bike would make a difference, really.
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Mad Katter posted:Nobody is arguing that everyone should be forced to commute to work on a bike. They're coming to take my car!
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How much mercury does one have to drink to believe that helmet laws are behind a significant fraction of cycling's ills
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Mad Katter posted:Nobody is arguing that everyone should be forced to commute to work on a bike. I don't really understand why some motorists get so whiny about this. I commute via car most of the time and I like having dedicated lanes for bikes and buses because it means no one is suddenly pulling out in front of me.
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open24hours posted:If people who could ride to work did, maybe it wouldn't take you 40 minutes to drive. only about 15 of those minutes are in traffic. I live northside and work south side. work moved further south two years ago, and I've been trying to get a job on the north side but science in qld doesn't have a lot of choices.
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Kommando posted:only about 15 of those minutes are in traffic. I live northside and work south side. work moved further south two years ago, and I've been trying to get a job on the north side but science in
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iajanus posted:It takes me 35 minutes to drive to work going 100 the whole way with no traffic normally so I don't think anyone else riding a bike would make a difference, really. yo, there's 5 days left in this month, when and where is goonmeet?
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During the seventies oil crisis the Dutch and Danish governments made conscious decisions to encourage cycling by altering their cities to make them bike friendly. Australia has done nothing of the kind. While actual accident information says helmets reduce harm by 16% then they should be worn. The Jia Cooper mentioned in that article is well known to me and is a raving idiot. Doesn't mean his opinion is wrong but makes me suspicious there wasn't anybody more suitable to quote. Cycling rates were declining steeply in Australia before the mandatory helmet laws. I have posted extensive factual information on this before. Anti helmet law people are like antivaxxers. Sorry more Arsetralian. They're the only mob who would publish this drivel unironically. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/open-up-economy-or-suffer-for-years-says-ian-harper/story-fn59nsif-1227581917007 quote:Open up economy or suffer for years, says Ian Harper THE AUSTRALIANOCTOBER 26, 2015 12:00AM Joe Kelly Political reporter Canberra http://competitionpolicyreview.gov.au/files/2015/03/Competition-policy-review-report_online.pdf 500 pages of unintentional comedy.
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Vladimir Poutine posted:I don't really understand why some motorists get so whiny about this. I commute via car most of the time and I like having dedicated lanes for bikes and buses because it means no one is suddenly pulling out in front of me. People don't like having to be conscientious of others. Cartoon posted:
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Kommando posted:yo, there's 5 days left in this month, when and where is goonmeet? I've been travelling for work so haven't had any time to do any thinking about anything other than sleeping. I'm at PAX this weekend as well so I don't know, maybe someone else should organise it as clearly I'm terrible at this side of the arrangement.
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Cartoon posted:During the seventies oil crisis the Dutch and Danish governments made conscious decisions to encourage cycling by altering their cities to make them bike friendly. Australia has done nothing of the kind. While actual accident information says helmets reduce harm by 16% then they should be worn. The Jia Cooper mentioned in that article is well known to me and is a raving idiot. Doesn't mean his opinion is wrong but makes me suspicious there wasn't anybody more suitable to quote. Cycling rates were declining steeply in Australia before the mandatory helmet laws. I have posted extensive factual information on this before. Anti helmet law people are like antivaxxers. I'm curious, does the latter graph include gains being returned back to superannuation funds?
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katlington posted:People don't like having to be conscientious of others. and justify their bad behaviour as reasonable. I dont think bicycle helmets should be mandatory, but like motorcycle jackets (pants gloves etc) they are a good idea if you're wanting to keep your skin on you. I would really like to be able to bicycle to work and wish we had an efficient and effective mass rapid transit system.
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I would love to bike to work but I am completely uncoordinated and cycling on the Gateway and M1 is just insane on the face of it (and illegal, I assume).
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iajanus posted:I've been travelling for work so haven't had any time to do any thinking about anything other than sleeping. I'm at PAX this weekend as well so I don't know, maybe someone else should organise it as clearly I'm terrible at this side of the arrangement. what's the deal with goons and organisational skills? Thursday night.
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Les Affaires posted:I'm curious, does the latter graph include gains being returned back to superannuation funds? definitions posted:Weekly ordinary time earnings refers to one week's earnings of employees for the reference period, attributable to award, standard or agreed hours of work. It is calculated before taxation and any other deductions (e.g. superannuation, board and lodging) have been made.
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iajanus posted:It takes me 35 minutes to drive to work going 100 the whole way with no traffic normally so I don't think anyone else riding a bike would make a difference, really. That's great. Not being sarcastic here. But while this works well for you, it's important to recognise that traffic congestion is an enormous issue for cities and the people who are stuck commuting through it. The alternative to having a diverse mix of transport options is committing to cars and building poo poo like the east west link.
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short notice. all welcome. it will be in the Fish lane Bistro attached to the fox hotel Negative Entropy fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Mad Katter posted:That's great. Not being sarcastic here. Oh I heartily agree and miss living in Sydney where I would catch public transport to work every day and laugh at everyone stuck in their cars on the M2. Getting everyone out of their cars via a good public transport network is vital. I've tried catching it here but it took me 1.5 hours to get home . Stupid radial train network. Can't come to Goonmeet as I'm flying to Melbourne that night . e: hahaha just checked Google and biking home would take 2.5 hours. loving Brisbane...
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If you use the welfare state as justification for denying an injured person medical care you are a massive poo poo "I pay taxes therefore i can tell other people what to do" is not something a good person says
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Kommando posted:
This is the greatest thing I have ever seen. Also comparing places in Australia to Copenhagen or New York is poo poo because we don't have that population density. I live in Perth. Even places that "aren't far" from the city are 20+km away. Having to wear a helmet isn't what stops people loving commuting by bicycle. lovely bicycle infrastructure and immense distances are. I once had a race from my university to my home against one of my friends (who lived very near me), I cycled and he took public transport. He beat me there by 5 minutes. It was ~30km. Total travel time ~ 1 hr 30 mins. Helmet laws don't fix poo poo like that.
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Comparing places like Perth to places like Amsterdam is exactly what we should be doing.
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Kommando posted:
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Perth is actually OK if you don't live in a mcmansion in buttfuck nowhere. I lived in Subiaco, studied at UWA and worked in the city, so my trip distances were about 4km with cycle paths. if you hate yourself and actively want to live in suburbia for some reason, you will have to choose somewhere near a rail corridor. .
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open24hours posted:Comparing places like Perth to places like Amsterdam is exactly what we should be doing. Yep.
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Lots of people already ride around without a helmet so the expected sudden increase if that behaviour was legalised probably won't happen See also: marijuana
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Negligent posted:Perth is actually OK if you don't live in a mcmansion in buttfuck nowhere. A shame this comprises 95% of the city
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Negligent posted:Perth is actually OK if you don't live in a mcmansion in buttfuck nowhere. This explains more about you than the last 40 pages of arrogant shitposting combined. There are multiple structural problems affecting even those of us who've actively tried to make public transport available to themselves in this city. Saying "Pft just live in the western suburbs PLEB" doesn't help anyone, and mostly just affirms to those of us who already had you written off as a FYGM rear end in a top hat how right we were. For context, I live in suburbia, on a rail corridor, and it still takes me an hour to commute, because my place of work is not. Sometimes it takes me longer to get home because I have to take a train that only goes half way to my stop because the one that goes to the end of the line doesn't have enough cars, and is literally full by the time it arrives at the stop I get on at, which is the first stop after the main hub (Esplanade). Driving is only slightly faster because our major southern freeway is 2 lanes for most of its northward distance, and most people living south of the river need to use it, as there aren't many stops on the Mandurah line. But living closer isn't necessarily a solution either. When I lived in Maylands last year, it took me 50 minutes to make it~ 10km to the busport, due to the fact that the only bus route within walking distance had to cater for most of the suburb, and half of East Perth / Northbridge. Driving took 20 agonisingly frustrating minutes through the esplanade itself, but even so that's 30 extra minutes of sleep in a day so that was generally the option my neighbours and I took. Uber wasn't really a thing then but I don't think it's a sustainable solution either.
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freebooter posted:A shame this comprises 95% of the city
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Choosing to live somewhere with density and reasonable distances between the places you want to go isn't elitism, it's being part of the change you want to see by rejecting suburbia and urban sprawl. Australians look at the price of a mcmansion located a freeway drive from anywhere and say yep I'll have that, rather than changing their lifestyle to be more energy and space efficient.
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freebooter posted:A shame this comprises 95% of the city I'm about to move to Scarborough, and to get to my job will take me 1:30 on public transport, or 25 minutes if I drive. Also somewhat topical http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-25/wa-government-considers-shelving-plan-for-new-perth-railcars/6883180 Why anyone believed any promises to improve public transport is beyond me.
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Negligent posted:Choosing to live somewhere with density and reasonable distances between the places you want to go isn't elitism, it's being part of the change you want to see by rejecting suburbia and urban sprawl.
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