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Oct 26, 2015 04:12
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Yeah, be like most Australians and build a massive gently caress off house on a new subdivision and then spend the next 20 years bitching about lack of infrastructure and how long it takes to get anywhere.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:13
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Chooses where to live then complains about distance, a tale of suburbia by white Australia
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Oct 26, 2015 04:16
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hooman posted:This is the greatest thing I have ever seen. This is bullshit, because cycling participation dropped something like 30% after in the introduction of helmet laws. Even in places where we do have the density we have poo poo infrastructure and a "can't do that here m8 it's not copenfuckinghagen". Can't take people's free parking away for queer greenie poo poo like bike lanes in this country.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:20
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Negligent posted:Chooses where to live then complains about distance, a tale of suburbia by white Australia "Ah but I have to drive to work, checkmate" is something I hear a lot
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Oct 26, 2015 04:21
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Negligent posted:Choosing to live somewhere with density and reasonable distances between the places you want to go isn't elitism, it's being part of the change you want to see by rejecting suburbia and urban sprawl. Yeah thats cool and all. whilst you're at it can you please tell the companies that might employ me to move their operations into population centres kthx. heavy industrial and medium residential zoning can coexist totally.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:22
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I can't live in an apartment! It's like a prison cell - Australians, wondering why their cities aren't like Europe
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Oct 26, 2015 04:23
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my stepdads beer posted:This is bullshit, because cycling participation dropped something like 30% after in the introduction of helmet laws. also where natural growth for various reasons happens the government is reluctant to resume land to build rail network. that sort of thing gets you kicked out of office next election, no matter how much it is needed.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:27
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bike helmets arent like seat belts, theyre like sunscren/hats.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:27
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Negligent posted:I can't live in an apartment! It's like a prison cell who are you fighting here, because I can stand Australia being more like Phnom Penh with five story apartments everywhere.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:29
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Kommando posted:also where natural growth for various reasons happens the government is reluctant to resume land to build rail network. that sort of thing gets you kicked out of office next election, no matter how much it is needed. That's a self fulfilling prophecy. It gets you kicked out because everyone halfarses it because they think it's going to get them kicked out.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:29
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Kommando posted:also where natural growth for various reasons happens the government is reluctant to resume land to build rail network. that sort of thing gets you kicked out of office next election, no matter how much it is needed. Instead we plan intricate, huge tunnels under suburbia to avoid the issue entirely. The smart country.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:31
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australian city centres have no affordability problems no siree
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Oct 26, 2015 04:31
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Solemn Sloth posted:australian city centres have no affordability problems no siree Better release more farmland on the fringes, 80kms away, for even more low density suburbs to help inner city affordability. Oh no we can't justify public transport because the density is too low. Oh no we can't justify any density it's the wrong area and would upset the homeowners in the next suburb.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:34
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Solemn Sloth posted:australian city centres have no affordability problems no siree Brisbane city apartments are actually affordable but that's offset by there being no facilities to make them livable. there's one Coles express under the Myer centre and a Woolworths over near Eagle St. and a thousand small night owl seven elevens that are not stocked with necessities.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:41
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Negligent posted:Yeah, be like most Australians and build a massive gently caress off house on a new subdivision and then spend the next 20 years bitching about lack of infrastructure and how long it takes to get anywhere. Scarborough. A new subdivision apparently.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:49
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Negligent posted:I can't live in an apartment! It's like a prison cell I did live in an apartment (ok a villa with shared walls but still) in the inner suburbs and as I mentioned it was still not really an optimal situation from a transport perspective. I consider an hour a day difference between driving and using public transport to be too much, and so should most people. I was also paying 820 a fortnight for the pleasure, which wasn't optimal on an 80k salary either. The bulk of the apartments that are available in that area, closer to the train aren't worth what you'd pay for them, for reasons I really don't want to derail the thread with. Don't get me wrong. I'm a HUGE proponent of more apartment style living in the inner suburbs, especially those like East/North/South/West Perth and Northbridge, but right now in WA at least that's seen as a luxury for wealthy retirees, financial sector heavyweights or singles in their 30s. There's not enough of them and not enough perceived demand for them. There's a cultural shift that needs to occur along with FAR FAR better planning on the part of the councils, mayors, state govt etc but they seem more interested in leaving their own legacies in the form of landmarks so you probably won't see that under a Liberal or Labah govt. I feel there should be ordinances against building single storey buildings within the inner suburbs of Perth, without consideration for additional living space, reasonable exceptions considered. I cite the Beaufort St McDonalds debacle, where McDonalds applied to purchased a block of land in Northbridge, the council refused on the grounds that they intended on building a single story fast food restaurant on prime land, things went quiet for 6 months and then a single storey McDonalds appeared on the very same block. There's also other solutions for WA, for instance abandoning the hub-and-spoke model which sees everyone rushing into the city from 6AM every weekday, and concentrating on fighting congestion by encouraging more commercial and office space out in regional hubs like Joondalup, Fremantle, Rockingham, Cockburn, Midland and such. An all fibre NBN would have helped there. I'd love to be able to work in my area but there's just no work for me closer than maybe Murdoch, which is 2/3rds of the way to Perth anyway. Also, while I agree that not everybody needs a 3x2 in the suburbs with a garden - but my partner and I and our two dogs sure as hell don't want to live in an apartment either.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:54
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We could solve all of these problems by cutting Australia off the planet, putting it on a bike (with a helmet of course) and having it pedal into the sun.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:58
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Don Dongington posted:Also, while I agree that not everybody needs a 3x2 in the suburbs with a garden - but my partner and I and our two dogs sure as hell don't want to live in an apartment either. "I'm a huge fan of apartment living as long I get to live on a big block with pets" is a common view and why we're in this situation. Alternatively, what if apartments were the same size as houses and there was a sweet park 2 minutes away?
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Oct 26, 2015 05:09
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But then how would the developer fit 300 dwellings on an acre?
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Oct 26, 2015 05:12
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300 storeys.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:14
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norp posted:But then how would the developer fit 300 dwellings on an acre? they'd still be able to fit 2-5 where before there was only one
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Oct 26, 2015 05:23
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my stepdads beer posted:"I'm a huge fan of apartment living as long I get to live on a big block with pets" is a common view and why we're in this situation. We're not on a very big block at all though.. I don't know if you've looked at some of the modern developments going on in suburbs like Wellard and the new stuff north and south, but our "garden" is kinda what you make of it. Basically there's a meter gap between your exterior walls and fence on each side and a small courtyard to the rear. We have beds that are sufficient for growing vegetables, chillis and some citrus trees, and we've planted some natives because they're decent to look at and better on water. There's enough room for the dogs to run around, but mostly because they're small dogs, and we take them out to the park 2 minutes if they need real exercise. :P I don't think it's too ostentatious to be able to wish for enough room for a bbq and an outdoor setting with a bit of a patio/deck to entertain on, but we're working on starting a family so going out all the time isn't really on our roadmap either. I mean there are downsides to apartment living - sustainable living practices like rooftop solar, growing your own food, composting and such all kinda go out the window when your "outside" space is limited to a small verandah, and you share a roof with 20 other dwellings. Granted I've seen places with enough room for a small dog and a vegetable garden on the 5th floor, but is that common?
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Oct 26, 2015 05:33
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Don Dongington posted:Granted I've seen places with enough room for a small dog and a vegetable garden on the 5th floor, but is that common? That's kind of the point though. It's possible, it's not common because there's no demand, largely because people have limited imaginations, so developers don't build them.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:37
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I lived in an apartment (high rise) since I was born, and have no problem living in one. My home country has lots of mountains and limited space, so high rise apartments were pretty much the only option. Apartment lasts about thirty fourty years so redevelopment is vital. But it is okay, majority of new ones come with parks and play areas for apartment residents. Older apartments do come with some play areas but new ones are really built well. Australians seem to be obsessed with a house with backyards. Well you may not get that with apartment living but there are solutions. Some apartment allow their residents to rent little plot of lands and you can grow your veggies.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:40
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Gilgamesh_Novem posted:Australians seem to be obsessed with a house with backyards. This'll explain why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Dream
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Oct 26, 2015 05:46
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Gilgamesh_Novem posted:Some apartment allow their residents to rent little plot of lands and you can grow your veggies. Literally sounds like a communist plot
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Oct 26, 2015 05:48
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open24hours posted:That's kind of the point though. It's possible, it's not common because there's no demand, largely because people have limited imaginations, so developers don't build them. One of the newer buildings up there on Lord st in East Perth has a bit of that going on, so perhaps it's a sign of things to come. On the subject of stupid town planning though, stupidest thing I've seen recently: http://www.thevillageatwellard.com.au/wellard/media/PDFs/PVIL0212_Staging_and_Release_Plan_A3_WEB.pdf So this is the estate I live in, right? It's won numerous awards for innovation in town planning etc. It's not the worst setup, having everything in the middle there with the train station makes it pretty convenient for non-car-havers. Thing is, all the pink and blue bits have been zoned for apartments. Firstly I question who the gently caress would want to move 45-50 mins drive from the city to live in an apartment? I doubt they're even that cheap. I feel that it would have made a lot more sense to zone that area as office or commercial space, to create job opportunities in the local area. Right now, you can basically do everything BUT work without leaving the village area. I feel like the future for little suburban hubs like this could be pretty bright, if people would get away from the arse-backwards idea that you can only do office work in the city, or one of the office parks NEAR the city. I think Scott Ludlam addressed this in his Perth 2.0 idea.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:53
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QUACKTASTIC posted:This'll explain why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Dream I do agree having your own home is awesome. But still not really seeing the appeal of backyard though. When apartment were first advertised in my home country in early 70s, it was advertised as more modern, western living haha. People liked the fact it had flushing toilets and many taps with running water. Les Affaires posted:Literally sounds like a communist plot Plotter did say my home country is more socialist than Australia. So I guess it is. Never thought it like that though haha. Gilgamesh_Novem fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Oct 26, 2015 05:57
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Les Affaires posted:Literally sounds like a communist plot If I ever buy a house/unit with a garden I am naming it this.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:57
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http://www.idiottax.net/2015/10/mortgage-regulation-australian-style.html
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Oct 26, 2015 06:03
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Don Dongington posted:I feel like the future for little suburban hubs like this could be pretty bright, if people would get away from the arse-backwards idea that you can only do office work in the city, or one of the office parks NEAR the city. I think Scott Ludlam addressed this in his Perth 2.0 idea. Sounds like the garden city idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_city_movement Canberra is kind of like this. It works reasonably well here (if you have a car) because we have a relatively small population, everything falls apart when you try to scale it up too far though, and it's terrible for public transport.
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Oct 26, 2015 06:05
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They did make a conscious effort to leave a lot of trees up, and there's a nature reserve 2 minutes from my place with a nice park and such, with feeder boxes for bandicoots and all that, so that's nice. I mainly like the concept of a "closed loop community", I.E. 5 days a week you should be able to walk, ride or maybe take a short drive to work, or to get whatever you need during the week, and then maybe pop out to a shopping hub or entertainment hub on the weekend. Moving everybody into the city is one solution, but I feel like this alternative allows people to have their house and garden, generate electricity via rooftop solar/battery storage, grow their own vegetables, as well as it benefiting small-medium businesses vs great big central behemoths. I mean, Turnbull claims to be all about tech startups and disruptive technology - surely it'd be cheaper for a startup to rent office space out in the burbs than in a busy office park. But Barnett's proven himself as being incapable of acknowledging a that a Perth beyond Murdoch or Stirling or Mount Lawley even exists, so until we get a change of government we're going to see more monuments to him and no improvements elsewhere.
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Oct 26, 2015 06:19
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Gilgamesh_Novem posted:I do agree having your own home is awesome. But still not really seeing the appeal of backyard though. Backyard is good for letting the kids run around for a short while between cooking, homework etc. Also good for a bbq. Unless you live close to the beach in somewhere like the Gold Coast or on the door with centennial park, you're not going to get access to public bbqs or a green place to run around in easily. So, you get a backyard. A lot of the suburbs are designed with no central green place, its been replaced by a mall.
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Oct 26, 2015 06:26
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BCR posted:Backyard is good for letting the kids run around for a short while between cooking, homework etc. Also good for a bbq. Unless you live close to the beach in somewhere like the Gold Coast or on the door with centennial park, you're not going to get access to public bbqs or a green place to run around in easily. So, you get a backyard. A lot of the suburbs are designed with no central green place, its been replaced by a mall. Absolutely. It's harder to justify it when you're in your 20s, but having a few mates or poo poo, even your folks over for a BBQ on the weekend becomes a lot more attractive a prospect than going down the pub or a decent restaurant and clearing out your wallet when you have bills to pay and poo poo. On another subject - ICAC victims take heed - the LNP are here for you! http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/barry-ofarrell-nets-50000-for-threemonth-federal-review-20151023-gkh4rw.html SMH posted:The Turnbull government is paying former NSW premier Barry O'Farrell more than $50,000 for three months' work on a review into the offshore online gambling industry. 
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Oct 26, 2015 06:33
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QUACKTASTIC posted:This'll explain why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Dream I heard once, not sure how true it is, that Menzies actively encouraged home ownership as a bulwark against communism, and that before WW2, far more people rented. In other words, that home ownership served the purpose of creating a layer of petit-bourgeois land owners. Also, in the whole apartment vs house argument, people living in units are far more likely to be renters, and with Australia's loose rental laws, the continuation of the trend towards renting is deepening inequality. So a mind shift towards apartments over houses, if not accompanied by policies to support ownership of those apartments, actually plays into the hands of the rich, who would love to return to the days of yore where a landlord owned the entire street, like a feudal baron.
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Oct 26, 2015 06:41
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QUACKTASTIC posted:This'll explain why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Dream quote:In contrast to the Australian Dream, some modern urban planners have emphasized "urban consolidation" and "urban sustainability".[2] This "smart growth" or "iGrowth" .... Maybe urban planners should spend more time urban planning and less time thinking up buzzwords. On the Perth/apartment chat I have to say that me and my partner have been looking for a new place to rent and the thought was that it might be better to rent an apartment closer to the city. We ended up finding that we'd either pay the same or more for less space, less convenience and sometimes a shittier location than what where we are now. Also, it seems like most new hi-rise developments near the city are geared towards "luxury" apartments and really aren't in my price range. Is it any wonder most people go for the 2 x 1 shitbox in Byford? I don't even think you can blame the 'Australian dream' any more. Most subdivisions and new housing estates don't really have a big backyard anyway.
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Oct 26, 2015 06:45
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urban sprawl is good because dog garden bbq where are all the bike paths???? - Australians
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Oct 26, 2015 07:00
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MonoAus posted:Also, it seems like most new hi-rise developments near the city are geared towards "luxury" apartments and really aren't in my price range. Is it any wonder most people go for the 2 x 1 shitbox in Byford? I had suspicions about this, but honestly I haven't looked at pricing since all those new apartments went up in East Perth/Maylands/Inglewood etc. I assume these are the ones you mean? I've looked at a few of them via the sales offices while passing through and they definitely looked more like they were being marketed at rich retirees, loaded foreign nationals or the odd FIFO people who don't believe that the size of their penis is proportionate to the number of burners their BBQ has. The apartments going up in Wellard are starting to make a lot more sense all of a sudden, seeing as their being advertised "from $295k", although not to owner-occupiers it turns out: http://invitaapartments.com.au/investor/invest What is this, babby's first negative gearing rort?
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BCR posted:Backyard is good for letting the kids run around for a short while between cooking, homework etc. Also good for a bbq. Unless you live close to the beach in somewhere like the Gold Coast or on the door with centennial park, you're not going to get access to public bbqs or a green place to run around in easily. So, you get a backyard. A lot of the suburbs are designed with no central green place, its been replaced by a mall. Hmmm, never really thought of it that way. In apartment complex where I grew up, we had play ground so we played there if we had time. As for bbqing, uhh we did that indoors. Get a butane burner to grill meat (or electric grill), spread newspaper to catch excess grease or kids becoming messy... xD Of course, nowadays some people grill from rooftop xD
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