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Wol posted:Yeah absolutely. Spending most of the year playing only Bo1s leaves NA and EU teams with not only considerably less games played, but also a massive deficit in terms of learning how to adapt to and outwit other teams over the course of a series. I'd actually argue that it might be easier for teams to deal with Worlds from the LCS since the LCS format is basically the same as the Worlds format only with 1 big group. LCS don't just play Bo1s, the top teams are still playing knockout Bo5's in the playoffs so I don't really think that holds up. Flameingblack posted:Other things OGN does better than Riot: Are booths really considered necessary any more with how well top tier headsets shut out other sound? I noticed The International this year wasn't using them either.
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Work Friend Keven posted:Personally I'm more into esports that Koreans are bad at like any fighting game Infiltration?! And Koreans are bad at Hearthstone? That's surprising, I thought they'd be all over Blizzard stuff.
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njsykora posted:I'd actually argue that it might be easier for teams to deal with Worlds from the LCS since the LCS format is basically the same as the Worlds format only with 1 big group. LCS don't just play Bo1s, the top teams are still playing knockout Bo5's in the playoffs so I don't really think that holds up.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:14
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Yeah the top LCS teams play Bo5s twice a year. LCK teams play Bo5s all year.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:14
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The point of best of x is it means you'd only play one series a week which means you'd have a whole week to plan for a team which drastically changes how you approach games and no doing this twice per finals isn't the same as doing it every week forever.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:15
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Redmark posted:Infiltration?! it's big in china but there's basically zero korean presence.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:16
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I still think the Best of 2 idea would be fine, but there's going to be days where we get Coast vs Team8 and two European games are all that's on that day.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:17
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If you want to see how much tougher it could be for the west watch naniwa's two thorin interviews where he asked what it was like for Naniwa to get Korean practice for sc2. Stories include him going to one Korean house where they all left to go vacation one morning without telling him and leaving him in an empty house in the middle of nowhere with no food, letting him sleep on the floor, refusing to play in houses with him even when he was third on the ladder and a top protoss, refusing to give him game advice because he's not Korean and actively leaking his replays to Korean opponents.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:22
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Stun Gun rules
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Oct 26, 2015 05:23
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Changing the LCS format isn''t going to magically make Western teams better, at least not to the level where they can consistently beat the top Korean teams.
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Oct 26, 2015 05:24
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Best of one engenders passivity, stopping all western teams from gitting gud
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Oct 26, 2015 05:25
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Fundamentally the western teams need a lot of stuff. Being able to practice NA with Europeans would be good - back in the day TSM based out of long Island so they could try to scrim euw and NA. Fundamentally if they were all in one place that would be the best - every pro team in Seoul with 10 ping and a year full of majors around the world.
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rabidsquid posted:Best of one engenders passivity, stopping all western teams from gitting gud Or you pick heimer top or whatever and troll out your one win before the other team works it out.
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Disinterested posted:If you want to see how much tougher it could be for the west watch naniwa's two thorin interviews where he asked what it was like for Naniwa to get Korean practice for sc2. It's not clear to me how these relationships work. For example LS is a guy's who's historically just as difficult a personality as Naniwa if not more so, and yet he apparently thrived in Korea and was best friends with Imp or something. Maybe it depends on the team.
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CODChimera posted:Changing the LCS format isn''t going to magically make Western teams better, at least not to the level where they can consistently beat the top Korean teams. No one thing is going to magically make them better, but each step forward is progress, even if the gap seems insurmountable. Or everyone could resign themselves to kneeling before the Korean overlords, that's fine too.
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Redmark posted:It's like asking why the US isn't a major power in soccer.  But yeah, I think Bo2/5 would probably be a good first step. I've seen people say (maybe on here, I can't remember) that there isn't really any sort of scouting system in place, and it's mostly just "Hey, you know any good supports who want to join a team?" If it's true, that can't be good for the longterm health of the LCS.
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Redmark posted:It's not clear to me how these relationships work. For example LS is a guy's who's historically just as difficult a personality as Naniwa if not more so, and yet he apparently thrived in Korea and was best friends with Imp or something. Maybe it depends on the team. Sc2 is more hostile and LS sucks up super hard like the Korean cultural hierarchies expect - naniwa was not about to make Squirtle's bed for him. He also was not a serious contender like naniwa, more of a hanger on who was given a place to stay Naniwa did say he got good practice sometimes and made some friends, really depended on house. He said startale was good iirc
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uh lol. i guess most of us overestimated fnc/underestimated koo. while i want to believe skt fnc would have been more interesting, i can't really believe that after koo dismantled fnc. pretty sure skt would have dominated fnc even more, and will probably dominate koo next week.
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TBH I think there just needs to be more tournaments so that pros get to play more games against each other in a competitive setting. I think if there were fortnightly or monthly tournaments for Challenger teams to enter we would see a massive improvement in the quality of Challenger teams by virtue of them getting to play a lot more games against each other (and against LCS teams assuming they're allowed to compete). I don't remember who it was, but my friend who follows OGN/LCK mentioned one of the Korean Challenger teams got absolutely loving murdered by everyone when they got into the LCK either this year or last year, then proceeded to absolutely loving murder the Challenger teams they played against in the relegation tournament, entirely because of the practice they got against those top-tier teams. I don't think best of threes or fives against CLG and C9 twice a month would make Coast or Team 8 a Worlds-quality team, but it'd probably make the quality of overall play in the LCS a lot better. Imagine if Fnatic and Origen got to play best of fives twice a month all year. We might actually get a European team in the Worlds final for once. Wildcard regions will continue to be garbage cannot, especially Oceania, but them's the breaks. e: while i'm on the topic of wildcards let the top two Brazilian teams from spring play in the LCS Summer split, maybe do the same thing with SEA and LMS or LPL. I almost want to see what would happen if the Chiefs went to Korea but to be honest SBENU would dumpster most of EU/NA, let alone an Oceanic team lol ungulateman fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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njsykora posted:Are booths really considered necessary any more with how well top tier headsets shut out other sound? I noticed The International this year wasn't using them either. TI totally did use soundproof booths this year. They even had a segment where Kaci got the crowd cheering so they could demonstrate how well they worked. e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T3UB4oMDLw Go to 2:25
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CODChimera posted:Changing the LCS format isn''t going to magically make Western teams better, at least not to the level where they can consistently beat the top Korean teams.
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Redmark posted:It's not clear to me how these relationships work. For example LS is a guy's who's historically just as difficult a personality as Naniwa if not more so, and yet he apparently thrived in Korea and was best friends with Imp or something. Maybe it depends on the team.
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That's LOD dude.
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ungulateman posted:TBH I think there just needs to be more tournaments so that pros get to play more games against each other in a competitive setting. SBENU was the team that was poo poo for most of the split, they had the worst top and jungle in OGN but their jungle sub looked really good in the relegation match and their mid and adc seem intriguing
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Child bearing hips
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ok i hadn't watched all the games until now: smeb kills huni 1v3 as hecarim, holy.
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also why would you flash into the arrow?
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Probably trying to flash past it
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It was probably a panic flash because trying to flash over something you could flash sideways away from would be unbelievably stupid
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wtf does jatt know about baseball?!
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rabidsquid posted:It was probably a panic flash because trying to flash over something you could flash sideways away from would be unbelievably stupid ya when i say "why flash into the arrow" i know the answer, it is a dumb question. can be rough to watch people crumble even if you aren't actively rooting for them (or against them, either way).
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Oct 26, 2015 06:19
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rabidsquid posted:Stun Gun rules The Korean Zombie is cooler
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pretty interesting to watch the other half of hecarim vs. riven. i am really fascinated by watching certain matchups go both ways depending on players (marin and faker are both very good for this).
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Oct 26, 2015 06:20
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boy these guys are terrible at casting re: interest and insight, riot hates monte and doa for being successful and fun.
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nomadologique posted:pretty interesting to watch the other half of hecarim vs. riven. i am really fascinated by watching certain matchups go both ways depending on players (marin and faker are both very good for this). Wasn't there an LCK series this season where Faker destroyed someone with champ X vs Y, and then the next match destroyed them again with Y vs X?
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Oct 26, 2015 06:23
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deficio: fnc, the great white hope
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AnonSpore posted:Wasn't there an LCK series this season where Faker destroyed someone with champ X vs Y, and then the next match destroyed them again with Y vs X? most likely, lol.
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probably more than once.
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Oct 26, 2015 06:26
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i am pretty sure he does that to secure a psychic victory against future opponents who consider counterpicking him.
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sadly, koo tiger team swag sucks. logo is too small. should just say KOO in bright red letters.
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