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Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Dolash posted:

I thought the incumbency effect was the opposite, namely that it's harder to unseat someone who's already elected than race for an empty seat?

Oh, I think I misunderstood what they were saying.

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Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven
Jeb Bush Jr is going to "Dude, Bro" his dad into the White House.

Also Freepers are starting to dig up The Branch Davidians in relation to the SDA. Lots of Freepers still have a sore spot about Waco, so that one could go either way.

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008

Joementum posted:

I'm starting to believe there might be some wasteful spending in Jeb!'s campaign.



Looking more and more like a cheap Saul Goodman every day.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Gyges posted:

If Rubio and Jeb! are both out, Cruz's master plan shall be but a villain monologue away from completion.

cruz looks like a Disney villain

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Raskolnikov38 posted:

wapo has a piece up on rubio :qq:'ing about the senate which i'm sure will only inspire the utmost confidence in his campaign to be president.

Yesssssss.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Top City Homo posted:

cruz looks like a Disney villain

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

Dolash posted:

I thought the incumbency effect was the opposite, namely that it's harder to unseat someone who's already elected than race for an empty seat?

That's right. My mother voted for Bush, admitting that we went to war under false pretenses, because "maybe Kerry wasn't the one to get us out of this."

People still hate change, no matter how rapidly it occurs.

limp dick calvin
Sep 1, 2006

Strepitoso. Vedete? Una meraviglia.
Rubio is a baby back bitch

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Rubio is literally lazy and often caught napping.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
I haven't worried about Rubio since he interrogated John Kerry about Iran and came off looking like a schoolboy trying and failing to stump the teacher.

Dolash
Oct 23, 2008

aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,


GalacticAcid posted:

I haven't worried about Rubio since he interrogated John Kerry about Iran and came off looking like a schoolboy trying and failing to stump the teacher.

I think I remember that as one of the rare times since his Vietnam protest days that John Kerry managed to get the better of someone rhetorically. Put Rubio on the same stage as Hillary and he might combust, her performances at the debates and even the Benghazi committee have reinforced that she's a strong debater, while Rubio only shines in comparison to the rest of the Republican field because he manages to steer clear of Trump.

Speaking of, I'm really excited for the October 28th debate. I think it could trigger another shakeup, maybe impact the polls some - Carson's been pulling ahead so attention will be on him, and Jeb desperately needs to put in a good performance (he's lucky he'll be further than high-five range from Bush this time), plus it could be the final straw for some of the no-hopers. Something's gotta give.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

A Neurotic Jew posted:

I always kind of figured the incumbency effect was an unconscious thing, it's weird for someone to be explicitly operating that way. At the same time I could definitely see a dead-eyed Wolf Blitzer employing that logic for voting.

I also thought it was an unconscious thing. Generally what happens is that someone campaigning from the seat already looks fit for the job due to already having had the job. This is why there was a lot of talk in 2012 about how "presidential" Romney looked. The theory was that Obama's incumbency advantage would be lessened by the fact that Romney looked "presidential."

Pohl
Jan 28, 2005




In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

ErIog posted:

I also thought it was an unconscious thing. Generally what happens is that someone campaigning from the seat already looks fit for the job due to already having had the job. This is why there was a lot of talk in 2012 about how "presidential" Romney looked. The theory was that Obama's incumbency advantage would be lessened by the fact that Romney looked "presidential."

That was only because Republicans wanted people to believe that Obama didn't look presidential.

He's too black.
He's too socialist.
He's too whatever.

Romney only looked more presidential than Obama if you bought into the bullshit the GOP was tossing around.
A lot of people believed this line of reasoning, and not just average every day voters. A lot of supposedly important political people bought into the idea that Obama didn't appear presidential enough.
You know this as well as I do, and it was funny as hell to see their house of cards crash down around them.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
Romney still looked more Presidential than the entire remaining 2016 Republican field.

Pohl
Jan 28, 2005




In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

Chantilly Say posted:

Romney still looked more Presidential than the entire remaining 2016 Republican field.

He sure as hell does.
Obama is a funny smart guy that hasn't hosed us over completely, even being the racist jihadist he is.
Tough act to follow.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Mitt Romney posted:

They left out the part where Obama stole his immigration thunder via executive order in summer of 2012. It's rich that he's honestly complaining about gridlock in Washington as if he's not at all part of the problem.

Also:

Jebs kids name is jeb jr?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

A Neurotic Jew posted:

I always kind of figured the incumbency effect was an unconscious thing, it's weird for someone to be explicitly operating that way. At the same time I could definitely see a dead-eyed Wolf Blitzer employing that logic for voting.

As someone else said, incumbency generally works the opposite way of that guy's dad: incumbents receive a distinct advantage (on the average not in every case) in elections where people have more of a tendency to vote FOR the incumbent rather than the challenger.

It makes sense that this would be true. If you don't feel like the country (or state, or district) is completely falling apart, the incumbent represents a fairly safe choice vs. the unknown challenger.

Rincewinds
Jul 30, 2014

MEAT IS MEAT

Joementum posted:

I'm starting to believe there might be some wasteful spending in Jeb!'s campaign.



The only way that jacket would been able to excite anyone, was if he was wearing a suicide vest under.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Bob Ojeda posted:

If Rubio/Bush can't win, it becomes really loving difficult to figure out who can win besides Trump or maybe Cruz. Kasich would be a decent general election candidate but he just does not have anywhere close to the necessary support from or appeal to the base and the activists. And everyone else is obviously flawed.

As faddish, flashy candidates drop out under scrutiny, the stage is set for Gilmorementum.

Pyroxene Stigma posted:

That's right. My mother voted for Bush, admitting that we went to war under false pretenses, because "maybe Kerry wasn't the one to get us out of this."

People still hate change, no matter how rapidly it occurs.

Somewhere there's a person who thinks Obama is a Kenyan Muslim and is voting for them anyway because they seem like they're doing an alright job and those other guys seem pretty sketchy.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Carson has released his first two TV ads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be-WFguCaX8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOZspquN6yg

Xenophon
Jun 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Grimey Drawer
old white ladies support Ben Carson, you say?

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Name that candidate:

“We have to start thinking, have groupthink in this country. . . We need to maximize the potential of all our people if we’re going to be able to compete in the future. So we have to start thinking corporately as an entity.”

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
for whatever it's worth, I ran into a group of Trump volunteers gathering signatures to get him on the ballot in Virginia last weekend.

Boosted_C5
Feb 16, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 5 years!
Grimey Drawer

Boosted_C5 posted:

Just wait until the light-bulb goes off in their tiny little liberal pea-brains and the ratings potential of a Trump PRESIDENCY dawns on them.

And so it begins.

Enjoying my morning coffee right now with a pleasant surprise - watching NBC's today show, Donald Trump Town Hall edition.

Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

All the pleasant, well dressed, mom-ish female audience members asking Trump questions and complimenting him is a nice touch.

Matt Lauer is interjecting from time to time trying to play the part of serious/critical journalist, and of course making Trump look good when he steamrolls over him without a beat,

THANKS NBC!!!

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

quote:

When asked about abortions in the case of rape and incest, Carson said, “Rape and incest I would not be in favor killing a baby because the baby came about in that way. And all you have to do is go and look at the many stories of people who have led very useful lives who were the result of rape or incest.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/10/25/ben-carson-abortion-rape-incest-roe-wade/74585040/

Came about in that way

Mr. Pumroy
May 20, 2001

my main concern is that trump might make america TOO great

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

Mr. Pumroy posted:

my main concern is that trump might make america TOO great

millions blinded by shining city on a hill. "an epidemic", says prominent optician. CDC mobilized to disperse protective eyewear to at-risk populations.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Carson/Santorum 2016.

Rape babies are a gift from god.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


I've been seeing JEB commercials from Iowa (I live on the Illinois border) and they keep bringing up how his state did so great when he was governor but conveniently leave out WHEN he was governor.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

H5N1 posted:

And yet despite all this...I can't believe how excited I am about the Jeb campaign!

From several pages ago, but I did want to say that I really appreciate your commitment to this bit.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
Bald eagle population reaching unsupportable levels in Washington, Minnesota, Michigan. One resident's experience: "They've eaten everything and they get everywhere. My car wouldn't start this morning and when I popped the hood I found the engine compartment jammed with bald eagles like Tetris blocks."

JosephWongKS
Apr 4, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Jeb! It connotes craven pandering to the religious right.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/26/jeb-bush-religious-right-evangelicals posted:


Jeb Bush puts trust in God as polling plummets and purse strings tighten

Mired in the deepest political crisis of his career, Jeb Bush is turning to God for salvation.

Forced to slash campaign spending after falling far behind Donald Trump and Ben Carson in the Republican primary race, the former establishment favourite is looking to the party faithful to rescue his dream of following his brother and father to the White House.

On Friday, in the shadow of the giant satellite dishes of the Christian Broadcasting Network, Bush came to Virginia’s Regent University, an institution founded by the controversial televangelist Pat Robertson, to promote his credentials as a social conservative and champion of the church.

“I realised that Jesus was my saviour and I accepted him in the late 1980s,” said the former governor of Florida, stressing his anti-abortion record over the years since and a newfound support for those opposing gay marriage.

“Religious liberty is being challenged today not just overseas but here at home, and people of faith need to stand on principle to protect the first freedom of the greatest country on earth,” he explained.

Despite his history in Florida, Bible-thumping does not come naturally to Bush. Accused by Trump of lacking energy, he has taken to thumping a fist into his hand for emphasis.

“Excuse me,” he said, apologetically, to a startled woman in the front row at Regent on Friday.

Until recently, he might not have chosen to attend such an event. In September, this relative moderate turned down an invitation from the Family Research Council to appear at the notoriously conservative Values Voter Summit.

Now, Bush is not just paying homage to Robertson’s million-strong TV congregation – he has just set up a Religious Liberty Advisory Committee, with 100 pastors and politicians to help him develop policies that can outflank Trump and those on the religious right.

There is still more than a year to go to the general election on 4 November 2016, yet time is running out for Bush to salvage his hopes of contending in it. Not only do Republican primary elections begin in less than 100 days, but the donors who helped him assemble a record $100m war chest to fight Hillary Clinton are reportedly beginning to panic.

Asked by the Guardian how much of a role his donors had played in the decision to cut the payroll of his campaign staff by 40% on Friday, Bush replied with anger.

“None. That’s me asking for it,” he said, in an example of what are becoming rare exchanges with a reporter. “The donors are happy. In fact, I’ve been raising more money.

“It’s hard work. This fundraising stuff is not as easy people think it is,” he added, pointing to $1m raised last week in Detroit.

The tone got tetchier still the next day, when he was asked in South Carolina whether the cuts meant his campaign was struggling.

“Blah, blah, blah,” Bush said. “That’s my answer – blah, blah, blah.”

At the weekend, Bush headed to Houston, to hunker down in a finance strategy meeting hosted by his father, George HW Bush, and attended by brother George W. Such explanations may have cut less mustard there.

Indeed, the cuts in Jeb’s Miami staff appear to be about more than just saving money, as the candidate seeks to show the family political clan he recognises the urgency of fighting the primary first.

“Every dollar that we can save in overhead is a dollar we can spend on television, radio, media and voter outreach,” he explained. “Our people in our headquarters who do extraordinary work are going to be offered the chance to go to beautiful states like Iowa and New Hampshire.”

George W Bush is due to do more fundraising for his brother this week, and the third-quarter figures that sparked this latest angst also revealed that Jeb’s uncles, Jonathan Bush and William HT “Bucky” Bush, have become “bundlers”: a role that sees them collect money for the candidate on behalf of rich friends and business associates, money that can be used directly by the campaign.
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Jeb denies he took the primary for granted by focusing at first on the unlimited funds raised for his Super Pac, Right to Rise, but he accepts the finance strategy needs to change.

“This means [we are] lean and mean and I have the ability to adapt,” he said of Friday’s cuts.

“The circumstances when we started were different and I have not met a person who thought Donald Trump would be the frontrunning candidate at this point. God bless him for the success in that regard, we’ll see how long that lasts, but we have to adapt.”

The visit to Regent University and launch of the new religious advisory committee were signs of how the political message is also shifting. Trump has shown himself to be vulnerable among religious voters, particularly in early voting states like Iowa, where he has just fallen behind another anti-establishment candidate, Ben Carson, for the first time.

“I have a great relationship with Christianity,” said Trump when asked about this in a CNN interview broadcast on Sunday, but the billionaire property mogul’s efforts to show this can appear inauthentic.

Such vulnerability could perhaps open a window for Bush, who first carved a reputation on religious issues while fighting in Florida to prevent the assisted death of Terri Schiavo, a woman in an irreversible persistent vegetative state. More recently he was seen as among the more socially progressive Republicans on issues such as same-sex marriage.

But critics of the religious right say his campaign now risks being dragged far outside the mainstream.

“They are not the dominant frontrunner any more, so they are having to do the rounds of the party’s key constituencies, and one of the biggest is the religious right,” said Peter Montgomery, of the advocacy group People For the American Way.

“Because there is a smaller turnout for the primaries, it means you have to get the most intensely engaged voters, like the Tea Party and the religious right, and there is a big overlap between the two.”

The influence of the evangelical right is often assumed to have waned, but one only has to see the scale of academic institutions like Regent and its associated TV network to see it can still wield important power in the Republican party.

While Bush may still insist he is supports same-sex marriage and is simply defending the right of Christians to oppose it, the campus he spoke at carried posters advertising services from those who seek to “cure” homosexuality.

“I think the religious right has been declared dead as a political force more than times than I can count, and every time it’s been proved wrong,” Montgomery concluded.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
Workplace fatalities spiked dramatically this year due to what researchers are calling a sudden, unforeseen uptick in good old fashioned American stick-to-itiveness and can-do attitude. "People are applying themselves to things they really have no business attempting." Said Vince Hamish, senior fellow at the Consortium for Systemic Risk Analysis. "While I can't fault the sentiment, its important that we know our limitations."

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

paranoid randroid posted:

Bald eagle population reaching unsupportable levels in Washington, Minnesota, Michigan. One resident's experience: "They've eaten everything and they get everywhere. My car wouldn't start this morning and when I popped the hood I found the engine compartment jammed with bald eagles like Tetris blocks."

God drat it Trump

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Captain_Maclaine posted:

From several pages ago, but I did want to say that I really appreciate your commitment to this bit.

It brings a smile to my face every page of this thread that I read, waiting to see his excitement for Jeb! :buddy:

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

messagemode1
Jun 9, 2006

Jeb Bush's camera smile is a grimace.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
oh cool jebs one of those dickheads that spams up everyones inboxes so he can tell one guy to keep him looped in

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
Broken Image in the Signature: a Governor's Story

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Nuclearmonkee
Jun 10, 2009



He really strikes me as a guy who would bombard his staff with FWD: RE: RE: You won't believe it!

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