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Amethyst posted:The actual truth about bicycles is that it's too late. Australia hosed it up and our culture and our cities are incompatible with commuting to work on a bike, unless you're happy to breathe fumes and endure an extremely unpleasant daily commute. Yeah. Witness the howls and tears whenever people's free on-road parking is taken away for any reason, let alone a bicycle lane. It's only ever going to be a niche inner-city thing for at least a generation.
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Maybe we need to address why alcohol is such a big issue and widely abused here compared with other places.
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Oct 27, 2015 05:49
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Birdstrike posted:why not have manned kiosks where you can hire bikes and also helmets? The model implemented in other cities relies on having self service docking stations all over the place.
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Oct 27, 2015 05:52
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gay picnic defence posted:Maybe we need to address why alcohol is such a big issue and widely abused here compared with other places. crushing boredom from living in suburbia
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Oct 27, 2015 05:54
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The not selling alcohol thing is particularly dumb considering bws and woolies can literally share a door you just have to pay for your stuff separately. Completely ineffective in making it more difficult or less convenient to impulse buy alcohol.
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Oct 27, 2015 05:54
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and at Aldi you can buy food and alcohol together, no problem.
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Oct 27, 2015 05:59
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gay picnic defence posted:Maybe we need to address why alcohol is such a big issue and widely abused here compared with other places. Bah-bow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita
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Oct 27, 2015 06:00
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my stepdads beer posted:and at Aldi you can buy food and alcohol together, no problem. This is actually why I've been thinking about this in the first place, they're applying for a license to do so in WA. And I tell you what, I never thought I'd see the day when the letters to the editor in the West Australian were less hysterical and reactionary than the posts in auspol.
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Oct 27, 2015 06:01
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BCR posted:Why is not being able to buy alcohol in a supermarket a big thing? gently caress off with this poo poo.
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Oct 27, 2015 06:03
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Raw consumption isn't the problem it's the level of problematic consumption/abuse. In France they drink a shitload in relative terms but it's not consumed by going out and getting smashed.
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Oct 27, 2015 06:03
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Negligent posted:Raw consumption isn't the problem it's the level of problematic consumption/abuse. This is changing. http://www.france24.com/en/20130729-france-binge-drinking-alcohol-beuverie-express
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Oct 27, 2015 06:08
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Negligent posted:Raw consumption isn't the problem it's the level of problematic consumption/abuse. People always say this but it's the sort of thing that's near impossible to measure and so you end up just falling back on stereotypes. Australia has a common perception of having a "problem" with binge drinking, as does the UK, but I suspect that's all it is - a perception, a moral panic. Especially given that it's only young people the government and media seem to think are going out and binge drinking. It smacks of "kids these days." And it's the cities with the harshest restrictions which (again, going on perception not facts) appear to be the unsafest - Kings Cross in Sydney and Northbridge in Perth. I was in Northbridge the other night for the first time in nearly five years and I'd forgotten about the staggering police presence there. On the other hand, in Melbourne, with its dozens and dozens of nightlife areas and thousands of small bars, I've never felt the least unsafe.
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Oct 27, 2015 06:13
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Mad Katter posted:The model implemented in other cities relies on having self service docking stations all over the place. Indeed. But if in Australia you had it geared for tourists where a network of tourist info stalls also doubled as bike/helmet hire facilities, it may be a start. There was something similar in Valencia when I was there in 2011.
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Oct 27, 2015 06:13
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freebooter posted:People always say this but it's the sort of thing that's near impossible to measure and so you end up just falling back on stereotypes. If only there was some sort of government agency that collected data on this sort of thing so we don't have to rely on anecdotes. http://www.dao.health.wa.gov.au/InformationandResources/Publicationsandresources/Researchandstatistics/Statistics.aspx
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Oct 27, 2015 06:26
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What if I made a helmet out of bacon. Then ate it.
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Oct 27, 2015 06:33
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freebooter posted:And it's the cities with the harshest restrictions which (again, going on perception not facts) appear to be the unsafest - Kings Cross in Sydney and Northbridge in Perth. I was in Northbridge the other night for the first time in nearly five years and I'd forgotten about the staggering police presence there. On the other hand, in Melbourne, with its dozens and dozens of nightlife areas and thousands of small bars, I've never felt the least unsafe. I first started going to Northbridge at least 12 years ago now and I can safely say that the police presence is not the reason for how horrible it is. I wish there were more police when I was randomly attacked twice, or that someone was there to do something when fights break out. Increased police presence certainly hasn't solved the problem but I'd rather have them there than not.
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Oct 27, 2015 06:40
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Because left alone, Australia will turn to idiocy for entertainment?
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Oct 27, 2015 06:42
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MonoAus posted:I first started going to Northbridge at least 12 years ago now and I can safely say that the police presence is not the reason for how horrible it is. I wish there were more police when I was randomly attacked twice, or that someone was there to do something when fights break out. Increased police presence certainly hasn't solved the problem but I'd rather have them there than not. Northbridge was outta control in the late 90's/ early 00's. The place has improved big time since. Police have scaled back a little too, pretty sure they stopped doing strip searches in public a few years ago. Which is definitely a good thing.
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Oct 27, 2015 06:56
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freebooter posted:People always say this but it's the sort of thing that's near impossible to measure and so you end up just falling back on stereotypes. Australia has a common perception of having a "problem" with binge drinking, as does the UK, but I suspect that's all it is - a perception, a moral panic. Especially given that it's only young people the government and media seem to think are going out and binge drinking. It smacks of "kids these days." Ask anyone who works in emergency and they'll tell you the restrictions have had an impact on the number of alcohol related injuries they're seeing. It comes back to the culture of drinkers that causes them to act like violent shits when drunk instead of just chilling out.
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Oct 27, 2015 06:59
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BCR posted:Why is not being able to buy alcohol in a supermarket a big thing? No, no - my precious imported scotch can't be put in filthy plain packaging. Don't take this away from me, drink is all I have left.
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Oct 27, 2015 07:03
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It's amazing how smug and authoritarian some posters in this thread get over certain issues.
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Oct 27, 2015 07:13
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thatfatkid posted:It's amazing how smug and authoritarian some posters in this thread get over certain issues. I resent that. I'm smug and authoritarian over everything. Edit: 
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Oct 27, 2015 07:18
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Amethyst posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/linzcom/status/658445557724131328/photo/1 Abbott was evil, but he was almost endearingly incompetent at it. He was bad enough just at being a person, he almost felt unthreatening. I'd call him a living political comedy character, but if we wrote Tony Abbott into The Hollow Men or The Thick Of It he'd stand out as being by far the least believable person there. He's the kind of politician you dream of opposing, because he practically does the job for you. It was hard to hate him because he's just that stupid. In contrast Turnbull's actually remotely competent and charismatic, making him far more dangerous. The fact he's dialing back the party platform's shittiness by taking things like university deregulation off the table doesn't really help when you consider just how poorly Abbott pushed the platform in the first place. We're in more danger of losing things that are actually nice about the country, while still not actually being in a position to hope for positive change. I want Abbott back.
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Oct 27, 2015 07:22
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Launchpad McQuack posted:Northbridge was outta control in the late 90's/ early 00's. The place has improved big time since. Police have scaled back a little too, pretty sure they stopped doing strip searches in public a few years ago. Which is definitely a good thing. I don't go out there much these days. My point was more that the police presence has ebbed and flowed over the years but the violence has pretty much been a constant up until recently apparently. thatfatkid posted:It's amazing how smug and authoritarian some posters in this thread get over certain issues. Buying alcohol from somewhere other than a supermarket is authoritarian. Cool.
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Oct 27, 2015 07:28
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Cleretic posted:Abbott was evil, but he was almost endearingly incompetent at it. He was bad enough just at being a person, he almost felt unthreatening. I'd call him a living political comedy character, but if we wrote Tony Abbott into The Hollow Men or The Thick Of It he'd stand out as being by far the least believable person there. He's the kind of politician you dream of opposing, because he practically does the job for you. It was hard to hate him because he's just that stupid.
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gay picnic defence posted:This is why I was calling anyone who wanted Abbott gone an idiot. Turnbull has the wits and charisma to get the same lovely outcomes and have most of the country cheering him on. The only consolation is that he won't let the country get quite as hosed as Abbott would've if he'd got his way. Wanting Abbott gone was not a bad thing, having him replaced was.
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Oct 27, 2015 07:34
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When i lived in north Perth it was the loving worst. Cops drunk on their own little power trip hassling asians, queer folk and aboriginals. And by hassle i mean frequently violent assault and lock up.
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SynthOrange posted:When i lived in north Perth it was the loving worst. Cops drunk on their own little power trip hassling asians, queer folk and aboriginals. And by hassle i mean frequently violent assault and lock up. Tonight the role of "The Entirety of Australia" will be played by the understudy "North Perth".
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Oct 27, 2015 07:40
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MonoAus posted:Buying alcohol from somewhere other than a supermarket is authoritarian. Cool. Yeah you mean "puritan".
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gay picnic defence posted:This is why I was calling anyone who wanted Abbott gone an idiot. Turnbull has the wits and charisma to get the same lovely outcomes and have most of the country cheering him on. The only consolation is that he won't let the country get quite as hosed as Abbott would've if he'd got his way. Accelerationism is forever the dumbest and most petulent philosophy.
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open24hours posted:Nah, we're just a country of busybodies who despise pluralism and want everyone to be beaten until they fall into line. We're also highly skilled in using 'public health' as a justification for authoritarianism. More or less. Australians have a strange attitude that Government should step in and remove personal responsibility to save people from themselves. People riding around without helmets? That's unsafe, so obviously it must be outlawed since people cannot be trusted to make their own decisions. It's the attitude of an overprotective parent and everyone knows it backfires, the rowdiest people at Uni are usually the ones who have the most protective parents and go crazy when they're finally let off the chain. You give people responsibility and say "Do what you will" and they tend to take that responsibility more seriously than someone who has been shielded from bearing responsibility and the consequences of decision making their entire life. The paternalistic attitude some have of other people making bad decisions so decision making needs to be taken out of their hands is strange to say the least.
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Oct 27, 2015 08:19
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I pay the Medicare levy therefore you should listen to my bad opinions about helmets
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Oct 27, 2015 08:26
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How about mandatory helmets for poker machines? Is that too crazy or just too crazy enough to work?
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Zahki posted:More or less. Australians have a strange attitude that Government should step in and remove personal responsibility to save people from themselves. People riding around without helmets? That's unsafe, so obviously it must be outlawed since people cannot be trusted to make their own decisions. It's the attitude of an overprotective parent and everyone knows it backfires, the rowdiest people at Uni are usually the ones who have the most protective parents and go crazy when they're finally let off the chain. You give people responsibility and say "Do what you will" and they tend to take that responsibility more seriously than someone who has been shielded from bearing responsibility and the consequences of decision making their entire life. The paternalistic attitude some have of other people making bad decisions so decision making needs to be taken out of their hands is strange to say the least. Are you pro gun deregulation? This is a serious question because if you aren't I don't know how you match that with the view that you're expressing here.
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Oct 27, 2015 08:33
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ITT people who never had to read JS Mill at university What's a harm principle mum
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Oct 27, 2015 08:37
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Negligent posted:ITT people who never had to read JS Mill at university What's a socialised healthcare system? EDIT: I never had to read it at university, I chose to read it out of interest.
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Oct 27, 2015 08:41
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Say what you want, but I really like the fact that you can't buy alcohol in supermarkets here. When I went to England I went to buy alcohol and you only have 2 sides of an aisle in the shop dedicated to alcohol so you hardly get any choice, whereas here with Dan Murphy's and First Choice it's like Christmas every time you go in. England (or at least the parts I went to) didn't seem to have anything quite like Dan Murphy's and if they did have a larger store for alcohol it just seemed to be for wine :blecch:
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hooman posted:What's a socialised healthcare system? n. A thing that sanctimonious people use to criticise the choices of others
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Negligent posted:n. A thing that sanctimonious people use to criticise the choices of others Mill was a socialist, he hated the communists because they were outspoken in support and encouragement of violence.
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