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Cross-posting from the Right Wing Media thread.quote:Gov. Sam Brownback’s income tax-cut plan to spur job growth in Kansas has become a full-time disaster. More here: http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/yael-t-abouhalkah/article35684450.html Wow. And people here in Connecticut have been complaining that our economy sucks.We just created 3,200 jobs.
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Minenfeld! posted:Cross-posting from the Right Wing Media thread. They only outperformed 2 oil states and a coal state who were hamstrung by coal and oil prices falling through the floor
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PotatoJudge posted:They only outperformed 2 oil states and a coal state who were hamstrung by coal and oil prices falling through the floor And North Dakota is also hampered by the staggering number of new jobs created in the last two years, which will hurt it in any "growth" metric. Kansas does not, uh, have that problem...
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So how about that whopping 18% approval rating?quote:When it comes to Brownback’s tax policy, which has featured heavy cuts in income taxes and taxes on businesses, three-fifths (61 percent) of respondents felt the policy had been “a failure” or “a tremendous failure” in terms of economic growth. About one-third of respondents said it was “neither a success nor failure” and 7 percent said they felt it was at least “a success.” Only 0.2 percent agreed it was “a tremendous success.” 
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Oct 26, 2015 23:39
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I'm sure he is sobbing just as much as he did when the Kansas government couldn't get a budget going.
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Oct 26, 2015 23:39
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The President is more popular in KS than it's own Governer
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down with slavery posted:The Koch brothers do a lot of good all over the world as well. Check out who sponsors PBS's Nova, Frontline and Nature programs Lold irl. Thanks.
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SalTheBard posted:The Black, socialist, DEMOCRAT President is more popular in KS than it's own REPUBLICAN Governer!!! Fixed for emphasis.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:00
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If the democrats don't put actual effort into winning kansas now, then it's basically confirmed that the dems have a big internal establishment problem. Seriously. This is the kind of wake-up call where a competent campaign could totally solidify Kansas as a Blue State. Basically any republican objections could be swiped at with "Worked for Brownback, right?"
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Oct 27, 2015 02:08
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Neurolimal posted:If the democrats don't put actual effort into winning kansas now, then it's basically confirmed that the dems have a big internal establishment problem. You saw that poll earlier, right? Kansas is in a state of "Well, it's not a good ship, but it's OUR ship"
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Oct 27, 2015 02:13
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Neurolimal posted:If the democrats don't put actual effort into winning kansas now, then it's basically confirmed that the dems have a big internal establishment problem. They may have woken up to endless cutting not working but Kansas still is solidly red due to guns, abortion and religion. A moderate could get elected, maybe, but we are a far cry from actual liberals getting a say in the state.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:15
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Neurolimal posted:If the democrats don't put actual effort into winning kansas now, then it's basically confirmed that the dems have a big internal establishment problem. I don't think it's moral for the Democrats to mass-execute Kansans until reasonable people make up an electoral majority.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:16
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Nintendo Kid posted:I don't think it's moral for the Democrats to mass-execute Kansans until reasonable people make up an electoral majority. Why not, it worked pretty well in the 1850's
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Oct 27, 2015 02:52
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I have a cousin in kansas Every facebook post from her involves cheese, her baby, or both
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Oct 27, 2015 03:24
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Neurolimal posted:If the democrats don't put actual effort into winning kansas now, then it's basically confirmed that the dems have a big internal establishment problem. O you Summer Child
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Neurolimal posted:If the democrats don't put actual effort into winning kansas now, then it's basically confirmed that the dems have a big internal establishment problem. 61% of the people think that cutting taxes has been a failure. At the same time 61% of the people are in favor of cutting taxes. The numbers clearly show that the problem isn't Conservatism, it's that Brownback is just bad at conservatism. To most people government is an abstract thing that they only deal with on a bad day. They don't really think about government or develop some sort of thoughtful political philosophy or ideology. One of the few times they may run across government is when they're driving to work and they see the government lawn guy or the road workers on break. They don't examine the situation beyond being annoyed that someone isn't working when they're running late and their boss is going to be on their rear end and they're stressing. They hear how much the budget is and think that with a number that large, surely there's some fat to cut. They go home and they go out with their friends and the only time they think about politics is when they're confronted with information. In Kansas when they're confronted with information, the person doing the confronting is probably going to be a conservative. Their Pastor is for Republicans because abortion. Their town's major industry is the prison and the army base. They are only exposed to instances of the government doing bad or stories about people taking advantage of the government. And when they think of what they do when times are tough, they extrapolate that to what the government should do. They're decent people who are steeped in a conservative culture and have their ignorance played off of by the talking heads and politicians. If the Democrats are going to take back Kansas and restore it to it's rightful place in the Midwest Progressive pantheon it's going to take years of cultural and educational change. The more likely thing is that the ensuing exodus of those who can leave just further fucks the state and nothing changes. Remember that the Democrat running against Brownback ran on a campaign of "Governor Brownback's policy of flooring it while we head towards the cliff is stupid. We shouldn't be going faster than 70 as we hurtle towards the edge."
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So I'm admittedly blundering into this topic on page 13, but this bit caught my interest:ShadowCatboy posted:And this is where we are now: In an apparent attempt at retaliation against the Supreme Court, the State Legislature passed an administrative law that stripped certain powers from the Judiciary, like its authority to appoint local chief judges and set district court budgets. Brownback also threatened the Justices with other reforms (recall elections, splitting the court in two, lowering the retirement age, and subjecting judges to elections instead of appointments). Even more perverse however, in the sort of warped negotiation pioneered by Marcus Licinius Crassus, the law also stipulates that if it is declared unconstitutional and struck down, the entire state judiciary would be defunded. Basically, “Agree to my terms or we'll let your house burn to the ground.” Except Brownback was the one setting the fire in the first place. As a real, practical matter: is Brownback actually allowed to this, on a federal-law level? As I recall, the Federal Constitution does not stipulate the need for a functional judiciary in a given member state, but it sure as gently caress assumes one exists and without a functional judiciary, there is no clear route to appeal up to the U.S. Supreme Court for cases that need to go that far. Does a part of the U.S. Code stipulate that member states need functional judiciaries? (Edit: I mean, okay, he's done it, but was he allowed to do it?) And as a bit of a think-point: is there actually a point at which federal authorities could intervene and remove Brownback from office if other officers of the state of Kansas do not do so first? I mean, obviously subversion of democracy is kind of a Serious loving Deal that we don't want to happen, but outside of suppressing open secession is there any precedent for outside, probably federal-level agencies removing a sitting governor from power for gross incompetence and negligence? I mean, at this point Brownback is outright undermining Kansas and thus the strength of the Union through sheer incompetence. I have to imagine that, at the very least, there are organs of government outside of Kansas that are extremely unhappy with his performance and how he's undermining overall growth and improvement in the region (since Kansas' doldrums have a knock-on effect throughout the region and country, let's be real). I sure as hell don't want to see a sitting governor ripped from his chair without an impeachment trial first (well, okay, for someone like Brownback a little schadenfreude-fueled part of me might), but I legitimately don't know what precedence there is, if any, for a federal/national response to state incompetence of this level and I'm curious if there's any at all. EDIT: Well, to partially answer my own drat question, Article IV section 4 of the US Constitution does give the federal government the right and responsibility to "guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government"; I guess the question is whether or not a judiciary is considered an essential component of a republican government. If the answer is the logical "yes", but Brownback still tries to defund the Kansas courts and undermine republican government in Kansas... well, what happens? It isn't treason, as Article III is very specific about what constitutes treason, but what measures are allowed against a governor in violation of the Constitution like that? Who enforces it? The FBI? US Marshalls? Officers of the Army? SpaceDrake fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Gyges posted:61% of the people think that cutting taxes has been a failure. At the same time 61% of the people are in favor of cutting taxes. The numbers clearly show that the problem isn't Conservatism, it's that Brownback is just bad at conservatism. Am I reading that poll wrong? They say that the majority favor cutting taxes, but also that the majority (63%) favor raising the taxes on the rich. This is literally what we advocate on these very forums. It seems like you're immediately adopting the typical "woe is us, the liberal ubermensch, the stretch of our genius is lacking" approach.
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Neurolimal posted:Am I reading that poll wrong? quote:They say that the majority favor cutting taxes, but also that the majority (63%) favor raising the taxes on the rich. This is literally what we advocate on these very forums. Meanwhile ... public sector pension funds remain underfunded, school lunch programs remain cancelled (assuming that the school itself hasn't already been shut down), infrastructure decays, growth of the working-age population is meager (and will get worse due to forecasted demographic effects: weak immigration combined with cohort aging of residents). One bright point is bond indebtedness among Kansas municipalities - the number has risen during Brownback's tenure, but it's fairly stable and remains well below the national per-capita average. The course of action suggested by the poll isn't Keynesian policy. It isn't even Reaganomics. It's an inchoate plan to cure a coma by bleeding the patient to death. The D&D hivemind disapproves.
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So I'm right that they are for taxing the rich and not the poor, and are just convinced that spending is bad (something that could easily be petsuades otherwise, during or after the landslide election). You're trying to sell them as conservabots when thats a very positive poll, considering there's been little push to unseat Brownback.
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Neurolimal posted:It seems like you're immediately adopting the typical "woe is us, the liberal ubermensch, the stretch of our genius is lacking" approach. This strawliberal of yours probably existed in the 1970s, but contemporary conservatism has embraced ignorance and stupidity as an ideal and is suspicious if not outright hostile to empirical data and anything that has a hint of science.
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Anubis posted:They may have woken up to endless cutting not working but Kansas still is solidly red due to guns, abortion and religion. A moderate could get elected, maybe, but we are a far cry from actual liberals getting a say in the state.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Kathleen Sebelius was pro-choice and against concealed carry. Sebelius was kind of a unique case. She was pro choice and anti concealed carry, but was also moderate financially and tended to swing hard right on criminal justice issues. She inherited a 1.1 billion dollar debt from Bill Graves that she eliminated without raising taxes or cutting funding to schools (which I believe she claimed she did in part by selling off extra unused state fleet vehicles). The funniest thing was, at least in my anecdotal experience she was by and large a wildly popular governor in the state until she took the Health and Human Services cabinet position at which point she became an Obama stooge and became largely hated by the Right in the state. Looking up some articles, it looks like that's about right: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/kansas-has-moved-on-from-kathleen-sebelius/ Edit: Hindsight is 20/20, if Sebelius hadn't taken the HHS position and tanked her popularity, she actually probably could of been a good pick for VP under Clinton. She was dull as dishwater but had a history of good, useful executive victories as the Governor of Kansas. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Oct 27, 2015 14:40
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Nintendo Kid posted:I don't think it's moral for the Democrats to mass-execute Kansans until reasonable people make up an electoral majority. Honestly at this point it's not about morality, it's about common sense. And Kansas has none.
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I'm a terrible person, but I'm actually kind of enjoying Kansas making an example of itself of what happens when Republicans actually enact their ideology. How does that demotivational go? Mistakes -- it could be that the purpose of your state is only to serve as a warning to others.
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Family Values posted:I'm a terrible person, but I'm actually kind of enjoying Kansas making an example of itself of what happens when Republicans actually enact their ideology. How does that demotivational go? Mistakes -- it could be that the purpose of your state is only to serve as a warning to others. 'It is pleasant, when the sea is high and the winds are dashing the waves about, to watch from the shores the struggles of another.'
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My problem with letting Kansas serve as a warning is that they don't actually seem to be learning anything from it. Despite the objective failures in Kansas, other states are still incorporating similar fiscal policies, and talking about how good these policies are. I'm not sure the idea "if it gets bad enough it'll change" actually works.
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"We think lower taxes have been a failure. But maybe even lower taxes will fix that." Kansas has become performance art. It should be enjoyed, but not emulated.
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Crows Turn Off posted:My problem with letting Kansas serve as a warning is that they don't actually seem to be learning anything from it. Despite the objective failures in Kansas, other states are still incorporating similar fiscal policies, and talking about how good these policies are. Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed.
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Crossposting since I just found this thread.kiimo posted:Here's a super great idea. Let's have guns at basketball and football events. Also VitalSigns posted:God, hopefully this teaches the nation a lesson about why electing people who hate the government to be the government is a bad idea. RaySmuckles posted:burn. burn, kansas, for my enjoyment etalian posted:i hope it ends up as a huge flaming sinkhole What's up with the idiots in this thread?
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Oct 28, 2015 01:08
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Haha are you really whining that people on somethingawful.com are making jokes about Kansas
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kiimo posted:What's up with the idiots in this thread? What's up with the austistic newcomer who calls everyone an idiot?
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Crows Turn Off posted:My problem with letting Kansas serve as a warning is that they don't actually seem to be learning anything from it. Despite the objective failures in Kansas, other states are still incorporating similar fiscal policies, and talking about how good these policies are. Yeah the goal should be winning it back, and then once it has been won back, punishing the places that voted over 80% for brownback by cutting funds as much as possible, while rewarding the rest of the state. Thats a good revenge.
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah the goal should be winning it back, and then once it has been won back, punishing the places that voted over 80% for brownback by cutting funds as much as possible, while rewarding the rest of the state. Thats a good revenge. You're talking about funneling money to Lawrence and Johnson County, the rest of the state fears this above all else.
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kiimo posted:You're talking about funneling money to Lawrence and Johnson County, the rest of the state fears this above all else. I'm talking about the letting those parts die.
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Where exactly, if not Lawrence and Johnson County, do you suppose the 20% are located? That's prime location for realistic voters held hostage by Topeka.
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I think it's good for Kansans to die; but I don't think they should suffer. Should I support the current Kansan regime or should I support regime change?
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Arglebargle III posted:I think it's good for Kansans to die; but I don't think they should suffer. Should I support the current Kansan regime or should I support regime change? Die in the sense of choked off of funds, put as little economic development in them as possible, keep the highways good, but let the county roads be dirt, cut farm insurance.
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I don't want to get into a quagmire where we are stuck occupying Kansas for decades after going in there.
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