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Also, it was a $10M repair job 10 years ago. It's gonna be way more now, but fuckit. The place needs it.
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Also, it was a $10M repair job 10 years ago. It's gonna be way more now, but fuckit. The place needs it. If Trudeau is smart, this is already the perfect spin for the story. "This is something Harper should have done ten years ago, but he didn't, and now we have to clean up his mess."
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I think naming an airport after Harper would be a great idea. How about this one? We'll also exile Harper, his family and any Suncor execs to the area where they can spend the rest of their lives sustaining themselves on what I'm sure is plenty of healthy local wildlife and fresh water sources.
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vyelkin posted:If Trudeau is smart, this is already the perfect spin for the story. "This is something Harper should have done ten years ago, but he didn't, and now we have to clean up his mess." There's a reason we're not hearing anything from the CPC about this.
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Melian Dialogue fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Melian Dialogue posted:I can't find any actual sources on this other than a couple articles on the CBC citing that the Crown admitting that the defense's allegations of bombing this site are true. I would much rather accept an actual ruling on this rather than hearsay. I feel like if a major part of the defence's argument is "Actually, my client did not bomb this building and the reason why is because actually the RCMP bombed it instead" and the Crown responds "Well yeah, that's true", that seems pretty damning.
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Melian Dialogue fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Melian Dialogue posted:I could be wrong but Im fairly certain Weibo was convicted of bombing a different oil site, and this bombing that was supported by the RCMP was just a dud one designed to build up the credentials of a potential informant to Weibo for conviction. well I mean that makes it okay for the RCMP to do that then
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Melian Dialogue posted:Courts didn't seem to think its a problem that they blew up, with the companies permission, a shed in order to build up the credentials of an informant. This isnt some ~~**~~FALSE FLAG~*~*~ attack or something here. quote:The RCMP's original plan was to blow up one of AEC's trucks. The company convinced the police to change the operation even though AEC had already given its approval, offered up a truck to be bombed and said it would pay for any major damages. Company officials were having second thoughts. Still pretty bad to intentionally terrorize the public imo.
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Ahahaha IT BEGINSquote:Leave 24 Sussex to reality TV
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Kafka Esq. posted:Swagger, I cannot see anything in the document you posted that is convincing. On the other hand, I have been reading widely respected expert Michael Geist, who is very concerned about the lack of actual oversight (not a toothless review or a secret tribunal reporting to the prime minister) over information sharing with broad definitions. Not to mention the liberals have intimated they will be expanding the bulk collection, rather than collapsing it. This is hardly surprising - they started the spying apparatus expansion over a decade ago. Then, like now, they ignored advice that supplementary legislation like CSIS act or the privacy act need to be revamped for the new reality. The liberals have not said anything regarding that. Swagger, I'd still like to get a response to this, a real privacy expert saying you're wrong. Would you be a sweetheart and respond? The most troubling thing is that SIRC only watches a few of the agencies with access to the information that can be mined up, as noted by the privacy commissioner: quote:At this early stage, I can say that I am concerned with the breadth of the new authorities to be conferred by the proposed new Security of Canada Information Sharing Act. This Act would seemingly allow departments and agencies to share the personal information of all individuals, including ordinary Canadians who may not be suspected of terrorist activities, for the purpose of detecting and identifying new security threats. It is not clear that this would be a proportional measure that respects the privacy rights of Canadians. In the public discussion on Bill C-51, it will be important to be clear about whose information would be shared with national security agencies, for which specific purpose and under what conditions, including any applicable safeguards.
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Melian Dialogue posted:I could be wrong but Im fairly certain Weibo was convicted of bombing a different oil site, and this bombing that was supported by the RCMP was just a dud one designed to build up the credentials of a potential informant to Weibo for conviction. In hindsight, the BC bust of a couple of junkies who were too busy tweaking and loving to plant a couple of pressure cooker bombs without the RCMP's help doesn't raise any red flags for you? You see them doing this poo poo, admitting to it, and trust them to be just and straight forward in the future? How far does the security establishment need to go to build their bonafides?
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Melian Dialogue posted:The fact that AEC used it as an opportunity to scare the community about eco-terrorists wasnt the doing of the RCMP. What would you expect AEC to do, tell the people at these town halls that it was a fake bomb that they set themselves with the help of the RCMP? If you're planting a bomb in order to build fake credentials for someone as an eco-terrorist, the whole point is that you publicize it as eco-terrorism. Whether it's the company or the police doing it doesn't really matter. This is especially true when you consider that they already decided against bombing a truck because they knew it would frighten their drivers, so clearly the two organizations involved had prior planning about the public fallout of their fake bombing. You honestly don't see any problems with the RCMP committing a fake terrorist attack in order to try and get an informant to get someone else to confess to other crimes? If they couldn't build a good enough case to put away someone who was apparently such a threat to public safety without literally staging a terrorist attack on Canadian soil, I feel like they probably didn't have a very solid case to begin with.
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Ahahaha IT BEGINS Even if he's being facetious this is remarkably stupid, even for an economics professor.
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Melian Dialogue posted:In fact, the new information sharing framework has even more specific definitions than the s.12 mandate of CSIS! Read the legislative summary I posted, they show a side by side table examining the two. You mean the part where they change will or necessary into wiggle words? Don't be an idiot, the definitions are both broad. The argument had been made that they made the definition broader to ensnare more people, but I don't think that was going to be too hard anyway given the old definition. My argument is the same as the CBA and Geist, that no oversight exists for the information sharing and increased spot powers they built into C-51 and C-13. The agencies have been massively expanded, the warrant process will probably be as terrible as FISA turned out to be in America, SIRC only has authority to review the activities of a few of these agencies and is slow and toothless. Frankly, I don't think you know what you're reading in these bills. You can't simply wave away the criticisms without even a citation. Give me the page in which they show a side by side comparison of how they tightened up the CSIS mandate, because all I see are the loosening of the preventive measures clauses and the criminal code being butchered.
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EvilJoven posted:I think naming an airport after Harper would be a great idea. Perfect. It's a little backwater terminal with one desk and a couple vending machines. I've been there; it's nothing of real importance.
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vyelkin posted:If Trudeau is smart, this is already the perfect spin for the story. "This is something Harper should have done ten years ago, but he didn't, and now we have to clean up his mess." "A pretty facade covering up a rotten core" is basically every initiative the Conservatives launched while in power.
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Yes. Yes. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/27/judicial-recount-ordered-in-barrie-ont-riding-after-narrow-election-win_n_8398906.html I know they have to do it by law if the vote is super duper close just to make sure but whatever I hope it results in Nuttall being sent packing
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Furnaceface posted:Yes. I didn't allow myself hope that he'd lose during the entire election. Could it actually happen?
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The Dark One posted:I didn't allow myself hope that he'd lose during the entire election. Could it actually happen? Well its not like he hasnt cheated in previous votes before so... I wouldnt expect a reversal, but its not going to stop me from hoping for the better result.
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# ? Oct 28, 2015 06:41 |
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This thread is off to an amaaaaaaaaaaazing start, and I hope the next 782 pages are as gold from Swagger now that Dear Leader has finally been deposed and the dirty laundry starts airing.
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It still hasn't sunken in yet. Y'know... That... He's gone. The monster is gone.
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# ? Oct 28, 2015 09:25 |
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Good evening, something… something went wrong and you couldn’t hear me, so I’ll repeat again. The result federally is a disgrace. I think that this stupid loving Canadian society, this loving band of imbeciles, who voted for these shits, cockroaches from LPC, is some loving mistake. People, if it means so little to you, so little, this social engagement on my side, where I put it before my family, my private life, business, everything else and for you this only meant motherfucking 70 or 80 thousand votes then you should all be loving hosed. You should be hosed like only LPC can gently caress you. PO didn’t gently caress you as good as LPC will loving gently caress you. Your cunts will loving itch. From pain. This is a loving tragedy, it’s a tragedy that in this inhuman country, in a country where the media couldn’t loving say that Mike Duffy has been defi… defiled, this man, who got acquitted 118 times, where these court cunts accused him without grounds only to acquit him years later, that this is something that will make him a worthy senator. LPC will gently caress you all in the rear end. It will loving screw you worse than NDP. This oval office, this little cockroach, loving garbage Trudeau. He will destroy you, all pro LPC journos and TV stations will loving make you want to die you loving idiots. Canadian national idiots. I don’t give a flying gently caress, I can afford everything. I will get by. I’ll get the gently caress out this very day, the tickets are already bought. From Canada. And I will loving laugh at your stupidity, Canadian losers. Such loving morons, who’ve chosen motherfuckers from LPC. Not Harper, not Mulcair, but some loving assfucked Trudeau, gently caress! You voted for his name fucktards. This is loving Canada. Because of this loving Canada, because of you, loving cunts, nothing’s gonna change in this country, since you aren’t worth a poo poo and you must be hosed, screwed and made money on, because you are a band of national oval office losers. Do you get it? And to you, dear friends, who voted for me, who supported me – thank you! You are only a handful of Canadians, a handful of Canadians. Today it’s 70 thousand people, maybe 80. Turn off that phone or I’ll turn it off for you, forever. Yes, yes. This is the only thing that matters in this loving Canada. To speak right to your mugs at last, you stupid dicks, that you are troglodytes. That, poo poo, your loving credit cards is your power, your dignity. loving work in a corporation and a debit card. This is loving you, Canadians. Get hosed. It wasn’t loving worth it, wasn’t worth it to do anything that would… No point loving talking about it. No point blabbering, honestly. All of you get… Listen, you cunts who stupidly voted for LPC, drat you. You aren’t worth a poo poo, you are anticanadian. Good night. with apologies to Pierogi
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Sounds like you could use a joint.
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PittTheElder posted:As It Happens had the best drat one liner I've ever heard from them on this today: "If not the whole airport, at least the control tower." I'm stealing that.
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Melian Dialogue posted:I don't really have any interest with debating this with you if you're just going to hand wave away my points as "not reading the bill" or that Im simply being an idiot, it doesnt really show me any good faith that you're interested in the points Im making. Well, in what you've quoted Kafka said "reading in these bills" not "not reading the bill." The difference being he's questioning your interpretation of the legislation, not whether or not you've read the legislation. The latter being dismissive, the former being a pretty standard way to challenge someone else's assertions.
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MrChips posted:I smell burnt toast!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF2Ks2nZ36g
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Melian Dialogue posted:I don't really have any interest with debating this with you if you're just going to hand wave away my points as "not reading the bill" or that Im simply being an idiot, it doesnt really show me any good faith that you're interested in the points Im making. No, obviously, when someone pushes back on "here's the thing, read it!" by saying "what you said is in there isn't in there", you should run away. quote:Good Wednesday morning to you. Kafka Esq. fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Everyone is making such a big deal about getting poo poo done by the end of 2015 but the LPC has a guaranteed government until 2019 and Canadians have the memory of goldfish, especially for early term issues, so I don't get the fuss.
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Well for certain things, like the promise to bring in 25,000 refugees, should be done sooner rather than later.
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Kafka Esq. posted:Ghislain Picard, chief of the Assembly of the First Nations of Quebec and Labrador, has given Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard 24 hours to meet aboriginal leaders in the province to discuss allegations of abuse against native women by provincial police officers in Val d’Or. Picard says the town “is in crisis” and no longer has confidence in the country’s police forces. Well at least the PQ is in agreement that the meeting should happen, so hopefully they regain that confidence before someone does something regrettable. quote:The eight accused in the case have been suspended but many of the 56 members of the provincial police in the region say they feel scapegoated after the allegations came to light and say their spouses and children are also being affected. There were reports local officers have been calling in sick in protest after news broke that their colleagues were suspended. Um, what in several fucks? How can you complain about being unfairly scapegoated while also protesting due process against people accused of assault?
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Furnaceface posted:Opinions are fine as long as youre willing to debate them. Swagger is not open to debating anything, he shits out his god awful opinions on everything without any facts or reasoning and when confronted about it disappears for weeks in hopes that the topic has moved on. I was honestly wondering. I know the Jacksons personally, they've all been pretty cool over the years. Also this.
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Serious question, at what point does the Sun run so far afoul of basic journalistic standards that someone holds them to account?
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